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[SERIOUS] What's a true crime case that was simply too much to handle? Serious Replies Only

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u/Nuttonbutton May 23 '22

Judith Barsi. That poor, sweet, innocent soul. Never had a fighting chance in the world.

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u/NightOwlsUnite May 23 '22

Ducky :( yep yep yep. I know she's had other roles but her role as Ducky is what I grew up with and always loved that character.

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u/Dammmppl May 24 '22

Wait the victim was...ducky...from Land before Time? Oh, God, noooo...lemme go ruin my childhood...brb

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u/Dammmppl May 24 '22

Yep...that messed me up

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy May 24 '22

Also the little girl from All Dogs go to Heaven.

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u/Dammmppl May 24 '22

I saw that too..and that the song at the end is dedicated to her...ripped my heart straight out of my chest....

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u/Pemminpro May 24 '22

She was already deceased when you first heard it.

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u/Dammmppl May 24 '22

Gahhhhhh

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u/Dark_Vengence May 24 '22

I loved land before time then i read up on it and was heartbroken. I found out many years ago and it still haunts me.

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u/Mason3637 May 24 '22

The James Bulger case always left me with that sickening feeling. That poor trusting little boy that was lured away by two older children no less, and killed haunts me.

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u/NightOwlsUnite May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

That video is so hard to watch. Innocently walking away with them holding hands. That poor lil guy. His killers are still getting into trouble last I read.

Edit: thanks guys for the correction on one of them living a law abiding life. It's been awhile since I read about this case. Just too hard to read about it anymore.

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u/sobasicallyimafreak May 24 '22

Iirc one of them has actually grown up to be an otherwise law-abiding citizen who hasn't gotten in any legal trouble since, whereas the other one is in and out of jail

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u/ohnoheforgotitagain May 24 '22

Thompson has moved on to an unknown quiet life with a new identity.
Venables keeps getting in trouble and keeps getting outed on social media for who he really is. He's got quite a distinctive face so you can spot him a mile off.

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u/Endulos May 24 '22

They were sick of protecting his identity so they wanted to move Venables to Canada and we were like noooope, fuck you keep that pile of human garbage. New Zealand too, who basically said the same thing.

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u/counterboud May 24 '22

It makes you wonder if the one convinced the other to go along with it.

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u/tackjacktack May 24 '22

I swear it was only one of them that’s still getting in trouble

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u/Pariyama May 24 '22

Venables. Looked it up and he was busted twice for possession of CP and a "guide" on how to abuse children on his PC. Disgusting, vile piece of shit.

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u/ZOOTV83 May 24 '22

Funny how our brains work because as I started reading your comment I immediately thought of Boston mobster James “Whitey” Bulger so it took me a second to realize you were talking about something very very different.

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u/lightningspider97 May 23 '22

For me, Gabriel Fernandez. That shit fucked me up for a while

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u/Business_Shame_9203 May 24 '22

Yes. His teenage aunt spending the night so he wouldn’t get beat.

His mother and her bf are pure evil. The damage they inflicted reaches so many people

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u/Pinsalinj May 24 '22

And his teacher kept calling social services but they never did anything! She must have felt so bad when he died :( And so, so angry.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever May 24 '22

The worst part is he seemed like he had a happy home, with his great-uncle and his partner. There's a picture of the three of them all smiling ear-to-ear.

Then Gabriel was removed because the grandfather didn't like that the great Uncle had a male partner. The mother and her bf, when they gained physical custody, used their homophobia as an excuse to hurt that poor child.

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u/putdisinyopipe May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Oh god yeah. That was horrible. My son is Gabriel’s age.

I could NEVER imagine inflicting any cruelty let alone even conceive of inflicting that level of trauma on my son or any person.

The saddest part about it, is the fact that knowing how 8 year olds work, he just wants love and attention from his mommy, imagine that- you want love and you give love, yet you are still not shown love, in fact you are shown the opposite? You are shown cruelty, your tortured, humiliated, made to feel small, beaten, burned by cigarettes, starved… the autopsy reports are haunting

I just picture it and it breaks me everytime how scared that little boy must have been in his final weeks of life. And how sad and confused he must have been.

There were toxic elements of Latin American culture expressed in that case, from the removal of Gabriel from his adoptive fathers because his grandfather didn’t want Gabriel to become “gay by proxy” though if he were with his adoptive fathers and not taken, he’d probably still be alive, healthy, loved. His grandfather Definitley had a part in it. As that’s what catalyzed the entire situation. Why the fuck would you send your grandson back to his mom, who never wanted him in first place? Unless it was to double down on your ego and machismo. “I won’t have my grandson raised by those gays”

Or the humiliation by calling him (slur with F) because he was a sensitive boy by his own mother and bf, even forcing him to wear a dress, my child is too, but whether he is gay don’t mean shit to me. And knowing your child’s sexuality at 8 shouldn’t be a fucking priority anyways lol

Fuck those two pieces of shit. I hope they have a great time in PC. They literally tortured a boy in such a way that the only things he knew toward the end were fear, pain and a broken heart. It breaks my fucking heart.

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u/nopizzaonmypineapple May 24 '22

Their homophobia is also one of the main reasons they killed him

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u/CordeliaGrace May 24 '22

Yo. I was sobbing 20 mins into that first episode about him. That poor baby. There are cases that get me to tear up, that upset me…but only a handful have made me sob so hard I had to pause what I was watching. The other one was Dear Zachary.

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u/lightningspider97 May 24 '22

Ugh. Yeah dear Zachary got me harder originally because I guess my innocence. This one made me even more sad. I'd never watch either again fuck all these people

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u/Virtual_Name5013 May 24 '22

I am not sure if I should look this case up.

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u/CordeliaGrace May 24 '22

Both docs were on Netflix. I think Gabriel’s still is. If you do decide to seek them out, just…lots of tissues. Lots of time to process. They are tough to watch.

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u/fanofpolkadotts May 24 '22

OMG that still haunts me.

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u/narniaofpartias22 May 24 '22

Fuuuuuuck, that killed me too. I tried to watch the documentary on Netflix and I only made it about 5 minutes in before I was bawling and had to turn it off. I have worked with a lot of kids who have been abused for the better part of 10 years now, heard lots of fucked up stories from them....still couldn't watch that shit.

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u/Sekakayttaja May 24 '22

same here.

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u/Anonymark88 May 23 '22

The murder of Kelly Anne Bates.

Happened just around the corner of where I live.

She was 14, when her 48 year old paedophile 'boyfriend' groomed her and isolated her from her family.

He then tortured her and gauged her eyes out, keeping her alive for a few more weeks, whilst starving her and stabbing things in her empty eye sockets, amongst other things

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u/Longjumping_Zebra_23 May 24 '22

I always see the same cases pop up here. But never heard of this one before. Really wish I hadn't

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u/areohbebewhy May 24 '22

The Wikipedia article is awful. The guy claimed Kelly would do things to herself just to make him look and sound abusive.

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u/Dark_Vengence May 24 '22

There must be a way to eliminate all these monsters.

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u/SnooWords4839 May 24 '22

We can only hope!!

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u/Lachdonin May 24 '22

Identifying causes, early indication tracking, and extensive treatment are the only way to eliminate or even control these problems.

Punishment after the fact is never going to prevent new victims.

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u/Hangingoutwithyou May 24 '22

I never heard of this and looked it up. I wish the death penalty existed for that freak as well.

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u/Heisenberg19827 May 24 '22

Not even death. Torture, gauge his eyes out

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u/Hangingoutwithyou May 24 '22

That is acceptable to me, as well.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever May 24 '22

Fuck I came to this saved thread from r/murderedByWords and thought you were setting up a joke.

Fuckin....shock to the system. Maybe it's time for bed.

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u/throwawaymeplease45 May 24 '22

While the investigation is still active today I have to go with the Delphi Murders. I keep thinking about what those girls had to watch the other endure before meeting her own fate. Someone still hasn’t been caught and it’s heartbreaking.

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u/sobasicallyimafreak May 24 '22

Earlier this year investigators announced that they were close to solving the case!! I hope those girls get justice. Libby's sister Kelsey has become a victims' rights advocate and it warms my heart that she is able to use her pain to really support other families. I can't imagine what a relief it will be to her and their entire families and community when justice is carried out

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

The 1967 murder of a neighbor, 17 year old Mary Ann Dela Sala of Hackensack, NJ. Left her after school job to walk home and was found floating in the Passaic River.

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u/TalouseLee May 24 '22

I’m a NJ native and you’ve piqued my interest with this cold case. A quick google search shows me there was a rash of teen/pre teen girls murdered in this section of Bergen County in the mid 60s. Most sexually motivated. You are onto something here!

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

I have followed this case for years hoping for a conviction. The investigators had no leads, and have since retired or passed away. Because the murders stopped the investigators surmised that the murderer either died or was imprisoned for other crimes.

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u/tigm2161130 May 23 '22 edited May 24 '22

The murder of Susan Powell, but not the entire case itself.

I listened to the podcast Cold and while the case as a whole interested me and was all sorts of fucked up; it didn’t greatly disturb me.

It was hearing the 911 calls of the social worker who was bringing the boys for a visit calling for help after Josh Powell lured his sons inside his home telling them he had a big surprise, locked the doors, killed both boys with an ax and then set the home on fire with all 3 of them inside.

EMS was lost so the entire time the social worker is frantically trying to explain to them where they are, who he is, and what she’s worried is happening totally powerless to do anything to stop it, and then the house went up in flames. I had to take a 6month break from all true crime.

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u/ronan_the_accuser May 24 '22

This case made me soooo damn angry.

This is monsters made good 2 parter on it. and where I first heard about it.

I'm mad at the father because he was obsessed with Susan, filming their interactions, confessing his love, collecting her used tampons and a ton of other "keepsakes*. And he had the fucking gall to go on TV and said she was obsessed with him not to mention making CP of his neighbor kids

Im mad at the brother who fucking knew his brother killed her, chased out his sister who was working undercover and then had the nerve to kill himself w/o disclosing the bodies location.

The mother who had the car sold/destroyed to get rid of it.

And Josh, the ULTIMATE piece. Of. Shit he killed her, sold his house days later despite saying "she's missing" and would likely come back to her house if she returned home and did some industrial cleaning of the home b4 the cops arrived.

The kids drew their mom in the trunk. They went on that 1 am camping trip in the middle of nowhere on a damn school night where he got rid of the body. And her poor, poor parents trying to get custody and denied repeatedly.

And then he kills his kids with an axe before blowing them all up taking the secret of her grave with her.

And his dad died without disclosing anything.

I HATE that fucking family the way words can't express. Much respect from his sister tried to out him as a killer. The only worthy apple on that tree.

Fuck the memory of Josh Powell!

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u/YourQueen2Bee May 24 '22

The father was beyond creepy and he gave me the creeps even watching him on tv. He was gross on so many levels and to think that Susan was attracted to him is a whole another level of delusion. I felt bad for her having to live with the pervert and then having to put up with him creeping on her.

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u/CordeliaGrace May 24 '22

I vaguely recall something about the FIL being creepily obsessed with Susan, although maybe I’m confusing it with another case…

It makes me sick, people who just can’t handle some one leaving or kids going with an ex partner/co parent…and they are convinced they have to take the kids with them. Those poor babies.

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u/ronan_the_accuser May 24 '22

Its this one. He filmed himself telling her he loved, felt like they blonged together etc. While on a car ride and she turned him down, told him he made her uncomfortable, and he's still try to pursue it and record all these interactions as well as secretive photos and videos.

And then he did this interview where he said she was sexual with him and obsessed. (4:00 mark) all the while w/ a smile on his face. Sick bastard

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u/No_Appointment_266 May 24 '22

Makes me feel we need to teach people love is not one way. Love is an exchange. If the love feeling is not mutual then it is NOT love, it is lust or pride or ego etc.

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u/quack_quack_moo May 24 '22

I vaguely recall something about the FIL being creepily obsessed with Susan, although maybe I’m confusing it with another case…

No no, he was 100% creeper. He would save her used tampons and write songs about her. If you listen to the Cold podcast, they play a lot of audio he created.

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u/chicken_footed_house May 24 '22

Yes! Also, Josh Powell was such a fucking entitled leech on Susan and everyone around him. Made her be the breadwinner and then controlled all the money she earned. Made her use coupons and buy the absolute cheapest food possible for her and the kids while he bought himself whatever toys he wanted. Tanked her credit to buy himself things he wanted while she was forced to make their own bread and keep a garden to supplement their food. Then goes on to take her life when it looks like she's not going to go on being his slave forever. I think he also took out life insurance on her before murdering her. The way he took everything he possibly could from her drives me insane.

Not to mention he robbed those two sweet little boys of their lives. It breaks my heart thinking of how devastated Susan would be to know what happened to her sons.

There so much to unpack in that case and it's all unfuriating.

Agreed, Josh Powell was a stupid, gross, weird little bitch and he deserves to be remembered as the pathetic little worm he was.

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u/yzlautum May 24 '22

I’ve seen the Dateline or 20/20 about it and I knew right when you said social worker what it was about. Holy shit that guy is the devil.

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u/notthesedays May 24 '22

When Dylann Roof, the AME Church killer, was arrested, he told one of the officers, "They were so nice to me, I almost didn't do it."

That's always really gotten to me.

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u/fr80kat May 24 '22

I once saw a courtroom video of his trial. He wasn’t there physically, instead being video-called from a cell with some guards behind him. The judge said the family members of the victims were being given the space to speak theirs minds to Dylann, who was not allowed to respond.

I was waiting for people to yell at him and wish all this pain and suffering on him, but it never happened. Everyone who got to speak to Dylann took the high road and were still nice to him. Of course they were still crushed by his evil actions but they didn’t lash out at him. He had to sit and listen to these tearful people explain how much he hurt them and how they forgave him anyway.

I still think about that video sometimes.

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u/Thisbitchisbonkers May 24 '22

I lived in Charleston when that happened. It felt unreal

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u/LatrellFeldstein May 24 '22

and then the officers took him to a drive through to treat him to a burger & fries.

and there was apparently no real investigation of the groups he was posting photos to & discussing his plans with before the attack

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u/Hangingoutwithyou May 23 '22

Murder of Tori Stafford. Also, the case of Karla Homolka and Paul Bernado. Basically, any case involving children. We don't have a death penalty in Canada for those who prey on children.

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u/CordeliaGrace May 24 '22

The Bernardo/Homolka case was in the news in my hometown too (Buffalo), and that was my first intro to true crime. I don’t even think I know all the nitty gritty to the case, besides the major basics to it, and the fact that somehow Karla is out and living her life like normal with her kids. 😑😡

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u/IamMrT May 24 '22

Have you heard of Ken McElroy? Something can indeed be done…

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u/shiftyfired1056 May 24 '22

Ken McElroy is a curious case because, despite having over 60 witnesses, no one is going to fess up. And I had a feeling that the cops didn't care too much about Ken's murder either.

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u/watermelon-bubblies May 24 '22

Every so often she pops back up but people always recognize her and she has to move.

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u/AOCMarryMe May 24 '22

Yeah Karla Homolka case details are horrendous. Just know that innocent kids were tortured and killed, and it's a damn injustice that she's out of prison.

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u/watermelon-bubblies May 24 '22

Karla homolka and Paul Bernardo were my grandparents neighbors. They tore that house down shortly after I believe

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u/Anthrax-Smoothy May 24 '22

I live in Woodstock, so I as surprised to see Tori mentioned here!

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u/ididitforcheese May 23 '22

Toybox killer

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u/RevaniteN7 May 23 '22

This was my first thought as well. The way he'd mockingly tell his victims what they were about to go through adds to his sadism.

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u/x_laughingdeath_x May 24 '22

Oh man have u listened to his tapes?? Very fucked up and very disturbing.

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u/dpblacklabel May 24 '22

Only read transcripts, but it sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it. Those poor powerless victims who heard the worst, then experienced it.

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u/ididitforcheese May 24 '22

Had to turn it off, seriously one of the most evil things I’ve ever heard. And I thought I’d been desensitised. Those poor victims, it was straight up torture.

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u/x_laughingdeath_x May 24 '22

What did it for me was the description of what they use dogs for. Nasty, nasty.

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u/mvrvselyz May 24 '22

The murder and severe parental negligence of Lacey Fletcher. She hadn't seen a doctor in over a decade and sat on one spot on the living room couch for about 12 years and passed away this January due to complications of severe neglect. Parents didn't even notice emergency services until earlier this May. One of the most downright evil and cruel cases I will remember, I hope Lacey is resting easy :( she deserved a lot better than those horrific parents of hers.

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u/Rackbone May 23 '22

Toybox killer is bad but toolbox killers is so much worse. There's footage on YouTube of people in the courtroom listening to the recordings of them with their victim and occasionally you just see people coming out of the courtroom crying or looking sick and you can hear the gutteral screams in the back. Just the sound of the screams in the distance is soooo fucked up.

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u/ip09 May 24 '22

Curiosity got the best of me and I am at a lost of words, those poor girls damn it, the tape is utterly horrendus fuck

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u/ImInJeopardy May 23 '22

Albert Fish. The real definition of a boogeyman. Probably one of the worst human beings to ever exist.

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u/Brit-Git May 23 '22

I read a book about him a few years back and was genuinely baffled as to how such a creature could actually exist.

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u/mickster_island May 26 '22

his last words were "I don't even know why I'm here."

He was probably so stupid and morally shattered that he genuinely didn't know why he was being prepared for execution.

But his comment chills me because my first inclination is to interpret it as some kind of malevolent being who was incarnated as a human being, wondering why he is present on our world.

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u/Brit-Git May 26 '22

some kind of malevolent being who was incarnated as a human being, wondering why he is present on our world.

That's a really good way of putting it.

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u/BreezyBolognese May 24 '22

There's an episode of the Behind the Bastards podcast on him, and the co-host of the episode (Maggie Fish) is a descendant of Albert Fish. It's really good

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u/Chloedancer1234 May 24 '22

Just look up the X-ray. That’s enough to haunt you.

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u/Dammmppl May 24 '22

Oh. My. God.

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u/No-Job-5915 May 24 '22

That cult dude from Canada who would throw babies that weren’t his into the snow until they stopped crying. After having a kid I can’t do those kind of stories.

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u/marchofmines May 24 '22

Roch Thériault

Wow, I'm glad they rescued the kids but that was still such a brutal read.

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u/_ZorroBabe May 23 '22 This

Junko Furuta

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u/thesch May 24 '22

I forget exactly what she went through, but I remember being so horrified the first time I read it that I decided I'm never going to read through that again to remind myself. It's the type of shit that'll ruin your week.

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u/Rick-Dastardly May 24 '22

Same. I remember some details but alot are hazy. But I know never to read about it again. Left me in tears.

Same with Sylvia Likens. By the end I couldn’t stop the tears.

So so horrible

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u/Goodlittlewitch May 24 '22

Sylvia Likens is mine too. I had to take a true crime break after that one.

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u/saison257 May 23 '22

Holy fuck, I just read the Wiki.

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u/_ZorroBabe May 23 '22

I swear that was my exact reaction when I first read her case. Its just unbelievable cruel and they didn't even get life sentences😤

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u/wheres_jaykwellin_at May 24 '22

Those little fuckers' parents vandalizing her grave because she ruined their lives...

IDC what you believe in, I have to hope there's a special place in hell for all those monsters.

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u/pixelation01 May 24 '22

Unimaginable torture. Kinda reminds me of the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Case is really graphic, read with caution.

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u/skm7430 May 24 '22

They're case was the one that made me decide if I'm carjacked, they just killing me right there, going with them (gun pointed at me or not) guarantees a brutal last few hours.

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u/NightOwlsUnite May 24 '22

Yep. There's a reason they tell you never to go to a second location.

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u/Prestigious-Soil2777 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

These perpetrators are currently free men in Japan

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u/cardsfan4life17 May 24 '22

Cane here to say this. Fucking brutal.

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u/luhli May 24 '22

may i ask for a very summarized account of what this case is about? i’m curious but also a bit hesitant to look it up considering the comments

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u/FarTaro747 May 24 '22

a bunch of young men kidnapped a girl, tied her up, tortured her, flayed her body, raped her, cut off pieces of her face, and then eventually encased her body in a drum of cement

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u/Endulos May 24 '22

On top of all that, since they were juveniles at the time, they all only got a handful of years in prison for it.

And what should be surprising to absolutely no one, they all eventually offended again when they got out of prison.

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u/Katorga8 May 24 '22

For over a month

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u/_ZorroBabe May 24 '22

Just because she rejected the guy and everyone knew

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u/plainjane735 May 24 '22

The young men that kidnapped her were part of the Yukuza so brutal torture, read at own risk. They held her in one of their parents basements, their own parents were too afraid to report them apparently, because it was obvious that something was going on (based on her condition), but they pretended they didn't suspect anything out of fear probably..

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u/Billie_fixes_stuff May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

I uh.. don't think our Japanese friends care as much about that one as we do.

Edit; if they did, we would be having very different conversations about what makes a killer, vs a liar.

Edit again - what the fuck..

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u/Revolutionary-Mail-5 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

baby Jessica :( i'd recommend not looking it up. it's sickening and i wish i never knew about it. edit: i totally did mean baby Brianna 😬

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u/BreezyBolognese May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Also baby Brianna Lopez. Just the absolute purest evil.

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u/marchofmines May 24 '22

I just read about baby Brianna.....that one broke me. I cannot imagine people could do that just under the influence of alcohol. Just absolutely mental.

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u/BreezyBolognese May 24 '22

It's so disgusting, and I'm pretty sure her mom is out of prison too. Served less than half her sentence if im not mistaken

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u/Groundbreaking_Web91 May 24 '22

I have not heard of this one, but anything involving a baby is just disturbing and upsetting.

Ian Watkins is a particularly vile person. Tried watching a video on it, but I just couldn't with the details. The man was vile and disgusting, and was a pedophile, who preyed on teenagers, young children and newborn babies viciously.

There's other cases, but they are so bad I just can't even talk about them at all, they make me feel physically sick just by the names involved with them.

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u/TheSocialABALady May 24 '22

the girl who fell down the well?

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u/SnooWords4839 May 24 '22

I so remember watching her rescue!! That firefighter was a godsent!!

She wasn't murdered, so they must mean someone else

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u/AdditionalSuccotash May 24 '22

Adrian Jones. The abuse he suffered and eventually died from at 7 really is unthinkable, as is the fact his parents just fed him to a bunch of pigs afterward.

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u/Virtual_Name5013 May 24 '22

Josef Fritzl who held his own daughter captive for 24 years. During this time he raped her repeatedly which resulted in the birth of several children.

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u/expertkushil333 May 24 '22

This. This one. This one is the worst. This gave me trauma for life.

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u/archaeopteryx79 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Jennifer Daugherty, a mentally disabled woman who was killed by a group of six people in Greensburg, PA on February 11, 2010. Apparently one of the women in the group who killed Jennifer was angry over hearing her boyfriend tell Jennifer that he loved her. Jennifer had trusted the group and considered them her friends prior to this happening, which makes it particularly heartbreaking.

The torture and murder were brutal and took place over an extended period of time while they did horrible things to her before finally killing her and leaving her inside a garbage can. The details of the case are horrific.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Daugherty

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u/Dennis-Reynolds123 May 23 '22

Kidnapping of Colleen Stan

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u/shann0n____ May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Kristin smart and Alissa Turney. It was obvious who did it but the police work was so poor.

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u/marchofmines May 24 '22

Apparently, they did arrest the dad a couple of years ago.

"In August 2020, Michael Turney was arrested in Mesa, Arizona.[12] He was indicted and charged by a Maricopa County grand jury on second-degree murder charges in the death of Alissa"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Alissa_Turney

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u/IamMrT May 24 '22

Didn’t they just arrest Flores again? I think he’s supposed to go on trial soon.

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u/LaComtesseGonflable May 24 '22

A while ago, yeah! The soil under his father's deck was dug up, with suspicious findings. The trial will be held in Monterey County as Flores's attorneys successfully petitioned for a change of venue.

There's no doubt that local and university PD dropped every possible ball during the initial investigation.

sanluisobispo.com is the local paper.

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u/ThrowRARAw May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Katherine Knight/The murder of John Price. She is (this happened in the year 2000 and she is still alive) Australia's first female killer to receive life in prison with no parole. The fact that this was for the murder of one man alone should tell you just how horrific this murder was.

The other one that always gets me is the torture and murder of James Bulger. He was a 2 year old who let go of his mother's hand for one second and was the taken away and killed by two 10 year old boys. The details are very gruesome but it's mostly just deeply saddening to read. I had to do a case study on it in high school legal studies and after reading all the detail I ended up just staring at my wall for an hour feeling numb.

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u/puppies_and_unicorns May 24 '22

They were released at age 18?!?! After THAT? I want to throw up.

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u/sushivitable May 24 '22

To make matters worse one of the boys was re-arrested twice after release because he was found with indecent images of children. Same one I think who kept having to have new identities given to him because he wouldn’t stop bragging to people

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u/ThrowRARAw May 24 '22

They were both also given new identities. Apparently it was costing the UK police force 65,000 pounds a year to maintain this particular guy's hidden identity because he kept committing crimes and intentionally revealed himself on more than one occasion.

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u/overbakedworm May 24 '22

the kidnapping of jayme closs and murder of her parents James Closs and Denise Closs.

summary: On October 15, 2018, 21-year-old Jake Thomas Patterson abducted American 13-year-old Jayme Lynn Closs from her family's home in Barron, Wisconsin. The attack took place at 12:53 a.m after he forced his way inside and fatally shot her parents. Patterson took Closs to a house 70 miles away in rural Gordon, Wisconsin, and held her in captivity for 88 days until she escaped on January 10, 2019.
Police took Patterson into custody; shortly after, he told them he kidnapped Closs and killed her parents. He pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree intentional homicide and one count of kidnapping.On May 24, 2019, Patterson was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences in prison without the possibility of parole plus an additional 40 years. After her recovery, Jayme Closs now lives with an aunt and an uncle.

detailed: On October 5, 2018, Jake Patterson drove to the Closs home to kidnap Jayme Closs. Activity in the home deterred him, as he was afraid he would leave witnesses. Patterson made a second attempt two days later but again aborted for the same reason. On October 15, he made a third visit, this time armed with a shotgun. Shortly before 12:53 a.m, Patterson parked his car at the end of the driveway. Wearing a black coat and ski mask, he approached the front door of the home, carrying the shotgun. James Closs, 56, shone a light on Patterson through a glass pane in the front door and asked him to show him his badge. Patterson called out, "Open the fucking door!" Patterson fired once, fatally shooting Closs. Forcing his way into the house, Patterson checked every room in the house because he wanted "no witnesses left behind. He found the bathroom door locked and began shooting it down. Inside the bathroom were Denise Closs, 46, and Jayme.Denise was comforting Jayme, who was crying loudly.At 12:53 a.m. Denise Closs made a 911 call. While Denise Closs did not speak, the operator heard a disturbance and yelling before the phone call disconnected. When the dispatcher called the number back, they reached the voicemail of Denise Closs. Patterson bound Jayme's wrists and ankles using duct tape, then fatally shot Denise Closs. He dragged Jayme outside. placed her in the trunk of his car, and drove away. The police arrived four minutes after the 911 call. After arriving at his cabin, Patterson forced closs under his mattress and sealed off all exits before going to sleep. Patterson believed that Closs was too afraid of him to make any escape attempts. He “never put special locks on doors because she wouldn’t escape.” They also slept on the same bed. On the afternoon of January 10, 2019,( 88 days later) Patterson told Closs he was leaving for a couple of hours. He put her under his bed before boxing her inside with his belongings.. After he departed, Closs pushed out the objects around the bed. She ran from the house. Closs came across a local woman, Jeanne Nutter, walking her dog. Nutter recognized Closs from news reports and immediately took her to a neighbor's house. After police were called, Closs told them "Jake Patterson" had killed her parents, taken her, and kept her prisoner just a few houses away from her current location in the neighborhood. The police arrived around 4:45 p.m. and removed Closs from the area for her safety. The description Closs provided for Patterson and his vehicle enabled deputies to spot his car just minutes afterwards when Patterson drove by the house. After a deputy stopped him, Patterson exited his vehicle and said, "I did it."Patterson told authorities he saw Closs getting off a school bus outside the family residence in September while he was driving home from work and that he "knew that she was the girl he wanted to take".On May 24, Patterson was sentenced to the maximum of two consecutive life sentences in prison without the possibility of parole for the murders plus an additional 40 years for the kidnapping.Douglas County authorities did not pursue charges against Patterson related to Closs's 88 days in captivity because they did not want to bring Closs in for questioning and believed there was sufficient evidence to pursue a life sentence without parole without needing additional charges.

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u/Low_Conversation9348 May 24 '22

the death of Sister Cathy Cesnik. even after nearly five decades since her body was found, there have not been any major developments in the case other than a priest at her school being exposed for sexually assaulting high school girls and boys. one of the victims of the priest said she remembers telling the Sister that she was scared of him and didn't want to go into his office, and the Sister said "nod your head if he did something to hurt you." she nodded her head and the Sister said she would take care of it. she went missing after and her car was found parked in the middle of the street in front of her apartment, but she wasn't in it. they found her body in a landfill not far months later, not even far enough away from where her car was found to not have been searched prior. it eventually came out that the police investigating it didn't really put much time and effort into it because the priest she was allegedly going to expose worked as a chaplain for the police department. the archdiocese in Baltimore is actively doing everything they can to prevent laws from being passed that would extend the statute of limitations for sexual assault to be reported because it directly affects them and their ability to hide predators, specifically naming the priest that was involved in Sister Cathy's case. there's a docuseries on Netflix about it called The Keepers and there are active facebook groups that are still hoping to solve her murder to this day.

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u/RadiantCompany5920 May 24 '22

Our diocese tried to bring one of those priests here. People freaked out. Needless to say, he never got offered the position.

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u/RiddleUsThis May 23 '22

Sylvia Likens

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u/psycho_watcher May 24 '22

Sylvia Likens

Sylvia Marie Likens (January 3, 1949 – October 26, 1965) was an American teenager who was tortured and murdered by her caregiver, Gertrude Baniszewski, many of Baniszewski's children, and several of their neighborhood friends. This abuse incrementally lasted for three months before Likens died from her extensive injuries and malnourishment on October 26, 1965 in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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u/pdxgrunge May 24 '22

Yes. This one is the stuff nightmares are made of. The details of what she went through are just tragic to hear.

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u/Awesomejuggler20 May 24 '22

I’ve read a lot of crime stories and know about a lot of crime cases but the one that scared me when I heard it is one that happened in my city back in 2010. Guy killed his wife by handcuffing her to a railing and stabbing her to death with a big ass hunting knife. Part that got to me is she was handcuffed so she had no way of getting away. He got arrested just hours after the murder and he’s in prison right now. He got life without parole for 20 years. What’s scary is within 8 years, he’ll apparently be out of prison. He shouldn’t be allowed out of prison after doing that. Bad to say but I hope someone does the exact same thing to him so he knows the pain he put his poor wife through. I drive by the place it happened at sometimes and I think of her every time I do. People are crazy and horrible.

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u/TheMetaReport May 24 '22

Adam Walsh. He was a young boy who was taken from a Sears a few decades ago, his severed head was all that was ever found. The police lost most of the evidence and the parents never got true closure. His story inspired the fear over kidnappings that had persisted to the modern day. He is the reason parents fear allowing their children the freedom they themselves had as kids, never forget Adam.

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u/Nuttonbutton May 24 '22

He is the reason code Adam exists. He is the reason his father went on to do such important work sharing stories and pictures, catching dozens and dozens of criminals. Apparently someone recently confessed to murdering Adam but I don't know how true it is. John Walsh is the OG of true crime stories just because of Adam. Never, ever forget Adam.

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u/SnooWords4839 May 24 '22

And his dad had the show to try and find closure for many other families!!

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u/12-32fan May 24 '22

Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow…. Enough to make me sweat off true crime dives for a while

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u/sshoneybee13 May 24 '22

The tool box killers had me fucked up, but Junko Furuta and Sylvia Likens’ cases haunt me. When I was younger and first got into true crime, Mary Bell scared the hell out of me. Something about children killing children, and the picture of her that pops up when you look her up… chilling, she looks like she has no soul.

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u/Coffee_Cafe May 24 '22

Albert fish is a particularly disturbing case. There is lots of information and some good videos on YouTube.

Brief description for those who like to know before diving in:

He was a deeply disturbed man his entire life who faced a myriad of abuse and later became a deranged and predatory sexual deviant/ child killer.

He had just about every taboo sexual fetish under the sun. Would have his children spank him. He enjoyed eating his own feces and was found to have hundreds of needles inserted Into his groin. He would insert cotton wool with kerosene into his anus and light it.

He kidnapped a young boy and cut off his penis.

He kidnapped a young girl and took her to an abandoned house and killed her, claiming to have eaten parts of her. And sent a letter to the girls parents claiming "her little ass tasted so sweet"

He was one of the most disturbed individuals I have ever read about, his photo online is haunting and his nicknames "the grey man" and the "moon maniac" only further added to how terrifying this man was.

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u/Groundbreaking_Web91 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

The fact that this man existed is absolutely shocking. It makes my jaw drop that such a person was able to commit such depraved actions, for so long. I don't think any horror movie could be as scary as this man. I don't think a demon, could match this man's level of evil. He was worse though. The sad thing is there's still despicable people like this who haven't been caught. I especially can't believe his lawyer tried to help him get an easier sentence, only to say after Fish was sentenced, that he would not release Fish's statement as it was the most horrible thing he ever read with so much vulgarity. The man was a complete disgusting demon, who deserved more than the electric chair. The worst part, is some of those children will never be found and their families received never any closure about their beloved children.

Edit: Spelling

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u/missericam May 24 '22

this was ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS!!! UNREAL how cruel and heartless people can be

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u/catsandalcohol13 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Barry watts. Who killed sharni Kingi.

I looked after him for six years at an Australian prison. After reading the transcript i was physically ill.

That and anita kobby.
They couldn't even tell her parents the severity of her injuries. I worked with officers who were on the case. One of the scumbags was masturbating during the interrogation of what they did to her. Listening to a veteran officer break down over it was utterly gut wrenching.

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u/SnooWords4839 May 24 '22

Wow, sorry you had to witness this crap!!

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u/catsandalcohol13 May 24 '22

Thank you. Barry watts used to serve us our lunch in the officers mess. He was always so smug. I would daydream about jumping the counter and strangling him to death.

The words "there was semen found in the stab wounds" will stay in my mind forever. And she was captured by his wife as a birthday present.

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u/Thisbitchisbonkers May 24 '22

Your last sentence is going to haunt me for a long time. Murderers getting the eager help of another person is so terrifying.

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u/GladPossibility2708 May 24 '22

Sylvia Likens

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u/pdxgrunge May 24 '22

This one was brutal. It was rough to hear about and how little jail time everyone got.

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u/redditerla May 24 '22

Yogurt shop murders

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u/QueenOfWhores69 May 23 '22

Murder of Junko Furuta, I read and listen to a lot of true crime cases, but none have ever made me physically sick until I read this one.

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u/pixelation01 May 24 '22

Look up murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

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u/QueenOfWhores69 May 24 '22

That one is so awful, It still didn't make me nearly as sick as Junko's case did. Both were truly horrible though.

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u/boopandkitten May 24 '22

Please don’t look this one up, people. For real.

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u/skm7430 May 24 '22

It's a tough one to read and try to understand what she went through. Her case has stuck with me ever since I read it a few years ago. I never met her obviously but she crosses my mind once a week.

Having said that, I think people should read it. People should know there others out there with such indifference for another human being. Maybe it'll provoke people to cherish the time with their kids/friends/family.

I can't imagine how she felt knowing the second she told her parents she ran away during the forced phone call that as soon as she hung up that phone, the end of her life just begun.

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u/hims_seamost May 24 '22

I've had one of those dumb "morbid curiosity" habits since around age 8 or 9, so when listening to true crime podcasts or shows I was fairly detached from it. Not in an edgy "oh I'm so tough and bad ass blah blah" but just in the way that after a few years you become quite desensitized to these sorts of things. One of the only cases that had a profound impact on me was the Junko Furuta case. I learned about it when I was 14, and it was really hit hard, knowing she was around my age at the time. Just a girl. What hurt the most was seeing the aftermath with her parents and her community mourning. I believe the people she was going to work for gave her a job title and the work uniform she would have wore to her parents and her school gave her parents her diploma, so she would be buried with academic and occupational honors. Her case is absolutely brutal, from beginning to end. I don't think I ever cried so much from one case.

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u/mirror-of-vines May 25 '22

The Mary Vincent case. Wasn’t a murder but still very fucked up. A very sick man picked up Mary Vincent, a hitchhiker, cut off her arms, raped her, and mutilated her just because he had the opportunity to. When he thought she was dead, he threw her off a cliff and left her to rot. I can’t even imagine how scared she was trying to bury her stubs into the mud to stop the bleeding. That woman is legendary to have survived something so awful and still have the willpower to keep going.

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u/anon656r May 24 '22

the killing of tim mclean it’s heart wrenching

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u/Baseball_kid1014 May 24 '22

The wineville chicken coop murders. Jesus Christ. Gordon Stewart Northcott had his nephew stay w/ him at his ranch for awhile, but eventually held him hostage. He raped him and sexual abused him in different ways. He started kidnapping young boys and bringing them back to his ranch, keeping them alive for awhile (I’m assuming he abused/ raped them) and then murdered them with an axe. He had his nephew dig the graves and threatened to kill him if he didn’t help. I’m pretty sure it was somewhere between 18-20 little boys that he tortured and murdered. He was found guilty years later and hung on death row. If you look it up you might read some pretty disturbing things, but that basically sums it up in a little less detail.

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u/The_mystic_axolotl May 23 '22

H.H. Holmes. Just…look him up

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u/tanis_ivy May 23 '22

I wish the made a movie or series about him.

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u/DontBotherNoResponse May 24 '22

Read Devil in the White City. Fantastic blend of history and true crime.

EDIT: looks like there's miniseries adaptation in the works starring Leonardo DiCaprio, produced by Martin Scorsese, and rumored to be getting Keanu Reeves.

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u/Raccoon_Historical May 24 '22

The f*cker who made “Daisy’s Destruction” only true crime case that truly messed me up. (Warning to those who look it up: There will be a warning that pops up in your screen that you will be tracked for looking this up and possibly investigated because of how illegal it is)

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u/lemon_meringue May 24 '22

that's (one of the) the video(s) that kiddiefucker Josh Dugger had when he was arrested for CP

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u/AmberSoul99 May 23 '22

Anything involving kids killing kids, specifically Jamie Bulger

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u/Nintendevotion May 23 '22

Jonbenet Ramsey

I always feel so sad she never got justice. So little with so much ahead of her : (

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u/jamberlouie May 23 '22

The honor killings. Enraged me on a level I have only felt once before. My girls are around the same age as those girls were when I took a deep dive into it. I had to take a step back from my love of true crime after that one. Still flares me up just thinking about it.

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u/LalalaHurray May 24 '22

Which ones? 😔

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u/jamberlouie May 24 '22

How sad that’s even a question!

At the moment I wrote that, I was specifically thinking of the Said girls. It made me so mad that he killed his two beautiful daughters and then go live his life as a free man (however “free” a wanted man can live) for years with his family protecting him. I think they captured him in 2020 and he was convicted but it doesn’t seem like enough. His whole family should’ve been brought to court for helping him.

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u/BumblebeeFar7100 May 24 '22

The tragic death of baby Brianna Lopez haunts me to this day I stumbled across it one day, and I just can’t believe a mother would allow such horrific things to happen to her baby. Then after only 13 years in prison she was released its just not fair.

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u/LittleOrangePal May 24 '22

When I was a kid, maybe 7 or 8, my dad would frequent a bar down the street from my house. He’d have 2 beers while talking to friends, let me shoot pool or play pinball. One guy, Tommy, always had extra quarters and would give them to me so I could play any game they had and he quickly became one of my first friends despite ACTUALLY being my dads friend. The top floor of the bar was an apartment that he lived in. One day, we went over there as my dad had to help him move a new desk into his apartment. One of those huge metal ones with all the filing cabinets in them. 2 weeks later we stopped by the bar for 10 minutes but my dad wouldn’t let me go inside. Said he had to talk to someone. Found out later that night by accident that Tommy had been seeing his ex again who ended up stabbing him in the neck, back and head with a pair of scissors, on that same desk my dad helped move in. She was caught using his debit cards and stuff at Walmart, Shop Rite, and clothing stores.

Apparently, she was arrested the day of the funeral. The arresting officer had known Tommy and drove past the funeral yelling “WE F***ING GOT HER!” While she was still in the back seat. She has 12 years left of her 24 year sentence.

Talking about this story sucks, although I’m numb to it. The bar actually put a memorial for Tommy next to the pinball machine and other people started giving me whatever quarters they had. It has new owners now and I really hope that memorial is still there. I don’t want to tell you guys what to search to get more info as I still live in the same town, but feel free to comment and I’ll answer some questions

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u/Cant-think-of-a-nam May 23 '22

Nothings too much to handle for me but i been recently listening to a podcast about john list and how he murdered his entire family and got away for a decade til he was caught

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u/letmeinimstahving May 23 '22

He lived a whole new life after that too! It was a tv show that got him caught, wasn’t it?

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u/Cant-think-of-a-nam May 23 '22

Yeah americas most wanted

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u/letmeinimstahving May 23 '22

That case is crazy

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u/Cant-think-of-a-nam May 23 '22

Yeah the podcast is about 2 reporters that actually visited the city and looked for and interviewed the people that were around at the time including police and neighbors.

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u/letmeinimstahving May 24 '22

I’ll be starting that podcast tomorrow lol! I just read that Conan O’Brien was obsessed with the case and sat in on the trial?!?!? It just keeps getting more interesting

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u/Bhepsims May 24 '22

I think the Alcàsser girls Míriam, Toñi and Desirée. There’s still debate on who actually did all those tortures and then killed them but it is all horrible.

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u/nettlestitch May 24 '22

Brittanee Drexel. What happened to that poor girl was horrible.

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u/sushivitable May 24 '22

The murder of Bianca Devins. Not so much for extreme graphic content, just tragedy. Had to stop listening to a podcast about her when it was mentioned that ‘Puff the magic dragon’ was sung at a vigil for her. For some reason that really hammered home the reality of how young she was. Regardless of who she was, those parents lost their little girl and the internet was so callous trying to find justifications for it.

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u/PokemonBackpackKid May 24 '22

This happened in a neighborhood where a lot of my friends live. And specifically the house across where one of my closest friends live at Basically, a guy and her wife had just gone through a divorce and it mentally broke the guy, they had split custody of the kids, but I guess that just wasn’t enough for the guy. A few months after the divorce, the wife got extremely sick, so much that she needed a nurse at her home to help her with her basic needs; like food, water, bathroom, you get the deal. The man had already moved away, but one day he comes to the house, shoots the assistant dead. Then lights the living room on fire. As the living room burnt the guy went to his ex-wife’s room and raped her, until the fire caught up to the room, the man shot himself and let the woman there to burn to death.

Now, my friend was like 8-9 at the time, and her brother had seen the man enter the house, because again, they lived right across the street Helicopters and news vans filled the streets, and I believe her father was interviewed as well, though it aired on TV they haven’t been able to find any archives of the interview.

They moved away, but still live in the same neighborhood, from my knowledge, my friend always goes there whenever she feels sad, I don’t blame her.

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u/Blenda33 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Oh hey here have a break r/eyebleach

Tough reading here

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u/Basic-Cat May 23 '22

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Breaks my heart.

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u/Bulky_Ad_3608 May 24 '22

Joseph Aulisio in Old Forge, Pa.

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u/AccordingWay1720 May 24 '22

The toy box killer

He would kidnap women, play a pre recorded tape for them with instructions and for days, weeks or even months him and his lover would rape them using anything and everything in his van which he called “The Toy Box”

Going into the details is a little much for me but if you feel like it go ahead and read up on him and his mistress

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u/Freyja624norse May 24 '22

The Fritzl case. Josef Fritzl tricked his 18 year old daughter into going into a bunker he had built on their property to adhere the door into the bunker, where he locked her in. He held her hostage there for 24 years, raping her regularly, all while he and his wife lived in the home on the property (and the wife had no idea). He fathered 7 children on Elisabeth during her captivity, one who died, but the other six survived. She gave birth alone in the bunker. He brought three of the children to live in the home with his wife (made it seem like Elisabeth had run off and joined a cult and was abandoning babies to them). Three of the kids grew up in the bunker with her. The entire story is one of the most disturbing crimes I know of where there was no actual murder.

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u/trashpandau May 24 '22

Roman Polanski's crimes against children (yeah the guy johnny depp defended). And the vile piece of trash from Lost Prophets (I'm not gonna google his name).

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u/student8168 May 23 '22

Disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley

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u/TheSocialABALady May 24 '22

I honestly think she drowned and her family just couldn't accept it.

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u/AUR1994 May 24 '22

Honour killings and anything from the dark web about paedophiles. I feel a hole in my heart and stomach when reading about these. A nasty lack of positivity and anything pure or good just makes you physically sick

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u/okwhtevrd May 24 '22

jessica lunsfords case is absolutely horrific

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u/SteakAndBacon123 May 24 '22

The Mr Cruel case, He was a famous child kidnapper and potential child killer that terrorised the family’s of Melbourne back in the 90’s. He abducted 3 young girls but only returned 2. He wore a notorious black ski mask. He would break into the house of a family, tie up the parents and any siblings, then take the girl. He would then blindfold the girl and sexually assault her. One of the girls he kidnapped bravely took off her blindfold only to see a video camera at the end of the bed. To this day he has not been caught and there’s currently a 1.2 million dollar reward for his capture.

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u/sjaak1234 May 24 '22

The murder of Suzanne Capper was really awful to learn about. She was kept hostage and badly tortured by several people she had considered as friends.

They eventually took her outside to a secluded area and burned her alive. They left her for dead but she managed to get up and walk for about 400 meters before being found by people who helped her get to a hospital, where she managed to name the people who did this to her before falling into a coma and ultimately passing away sadly. All 6 involved went to prison but sadly 3 of them have already been released...

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u/Platonica-Psycho May 24 '22

I completely forgot the name of it. But the woman's dad kept her under the basement for years, he impregnated her too. The family never found out about it since he told them that she must have disappeared or ran away.

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u/ballhogtugboat May 24 '22

Harvey Family murders. They were lovely family and it was a quiet neighborhood where people left their doors unlocked. Completely at random and the city hasn't been the same since. The Briley Brothers in 1979 were the last time there was a total grip of fear on the city.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Richmond_spree_murders

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u/kelloggflakes May 24 '22

Shasta and Dylan Groene

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