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[Serious] How do we stop mass shootings? Specifically in the USA? Serious Replies Only

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u/km8907 May 23 '22 Silver

Mental health yes, also stop giving the shooters so much attention. A lot of papers I saw with this recent one at least refuse to print his name and picture. Some losers just do it for the fame.

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u/Still-me- May 23 '22

Yes the fame part is really what many of these guys are looking for. The media gives them all the attention they crave and in their troubled minds that a success.

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u/27SwingAndADrive May 23 '22

Yeah when I was down in Tasmania, a dude told me about there being a really horrific mass shooting there. He absolutely refused to say the name of the guy that did it, it seemed like it was really important to people there to never say his name. Apparently he did it because he wanted to be famous.

They also banned pretty much all the guns in Australia after that too, seems like that's an effective way to end mass shootings too.

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u/Skydome12 May 24 '22

im tasmanian but australia actually has more firearms now than we did pre port arthur. it's not the amount of firearms in circulation nor the type but it's how you deal with mental health issues and not giving the shooters attention like media companies do these days.

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u/That_wasian_ 24d ago

I'm a nursing student in my psych term. The state of the facility I was placed with was embarassing for a place in Pasadena, California. I asked the nurses about it and it goes to two things.

1 is that mental health stigma is still there. We can talk about "mental health illnesses" nobody knows exactly what they are. I think the education around mental health is completely lacking.

  1. Insurance Companies. They absolutely decimated the quality of the facility by following procedures that try to implmenet bare minimum. Its get in, get whatever treatment you need, and get out. Most mental health illnesses are very nuanced and complex and require lots of time and adaptation to the quality of care.

I agree with the comments. This gun epidemic is just completely metasisized to the point where banning guns will do absolutely nothing. We need to be serious about mental health illnesses, actually implement adequate background checks, and stop giving these shooters attention.

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u/Roanoke42 May 23 '22

I feel like a gun ban might've worked had it happened 100+ years ago. Way too late now. All it would do is make it a bit harder for prospective shooters to get guns (and more expensive). There are cities and states where it is legal to buy and own guns but still have laws preventing anyone with a criminal record (or at least felons) from buying any guns but many still manage to get them. US is in a fucked situation where if a state doesn't ban guns people criticize them for enabling mass shootings, but if they don't ban guns it's the fault of the country for having a gun culture.

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u/ClownfishSoup May 24 '22

I agree. There are guns in the US that have been here for over 100 years, no joke.
In Australia, the Gun Ban was preceded by a Gun Buyback because their constitution does not allow confiscation of personal property, so the government raised taxes to pay (below market) value for guns. In the US, that would be an astronomical amount of money (though maybe less than what we just sent to Ukraine). And honestly ... in the US the only guns that would be handed in are the ones that were handed down or given to people that they didn't really want.
If you want to take them by force? Yeah, good luck, there isn't enough manpower and money in the US to do it.

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u/FrostyCalligrapher92 May 24 '22

Banning guns won’t stop it, even if it makes a gun harder to get or not expensive, if they know they’re going out or going to jail they won’t care how much they have to spend on it. Sick people will find a way to do stuff like that even if they have to use a butter knife

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u/27SwingAndADrive May 24 '22

Well it worked in Australia.

Kinda hard to do a mass shooting with a butter knife.

And have you considered the possibility that gun culture might be the cause of the mental illness that leads to mass shootings? A lot of gun owners seem to spend a lot of time thinking up fantasy scenarios where can use their guns to kill people. Maybe if sick people didn't have a gun they wouldn't get fixated on these scenarios and seek out ways to make them a reality.

There's a problem in gun culture and the denial of this problem indicates gun owners aren't capable of the introspection necessary to be able to admit when they're having unhealthy thoughts.

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u/thred_pirate_roberts May 24 '22

Well it worked in Australia.

Us ain't Australia.

And have you considered the possibility that gun culture might be the cause of the mental illness that leads to mass shootings?

I guess the millions of US sane gun owners who never would hurt anybody better turn in our weapons because the guns are causing mental illness...

A lot of gun owners seem to spend a lot of time thinking up fantasy scenarios where can use their guns to kill people.

There are some sure but that's a cartoon version you're describing, and a lot of gun owners AREN'T thinking like that. It's best not to generalize the population based on their fringes.

There's a problem in gun culture and the denial of this problem indicates gun owners aren't capable of the introspection necessary to be able to admit when they're having unhealthy thoughts.

There's a problem with anti gun culture and the denial of this problem indicates anti gun advocates aren't capable of the introspection necessary to be able to admit when they're having wrong thoughts.

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u/5050Clown May 24 '22

This is such an easy question to answer.

Other countries have mental health issues and mediafame wannabees but they don't have mass shootings like America. There is one thing America has that other countries don't have, lots of guns and easy access to them.

Americans like to reinterpret the whole "well regulated militia" to mean "I am allowed to personally own guns" but it never meant that.

The problem is guns. This should be obvious to everyone.

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u/PovertyTourismZoo May 24 '22

Americans like to reinterpret the whole "well regulated militia" to mean "I am allowed to personally own guns" but it never meant that.

If the second amendment wanted to secure the right of the militia to own guns. It could have said "the right of the militia to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed".

But it doesn't say that.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Let's take this line by line.

A well regulated Militia.

It's taking about a militia

being necessary to the security of a free State,

For whatever reason. The founders seemed to believe the militia was necessary for the security of a free state. Now as far as why, I have no idea.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms

Now it's addressing the right of the people. Notice it says "the people", not the militia. What right is it talking about?

It appears to talk about the right to keep and bare arms.

shall not be infringed

Don't infringe.

Seems simple enough.

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u/Jiltedjohn May 23 '22

Just doesn’t work in the social media world. The media doesn’t need to spread the persons name, 4chan et Al will create the myth.

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u/VagrancyHD May 24 '22

4Chan only cares if it's a High Score attempt.

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u/bobbi21 May 24 '22

Works in countries outside of the US. If media doesn't care about it, people will stop caring as much too. People are largely still sheep.

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u/resipsaloquitor5 May 24 '22

also stop giving the shooters so much guns and ammo

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u/Leeser May 23 '22

Fund and rethink the way we view mental health.

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u/fuktardy May 23 '22

Physical health is a privilege enough in this country, let alone the mental kind.

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u/Expert-Molasses256 May 24 '22

This is the overall answer, but what is causing poor mental health.... THAT is what needs to be solved

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u/Cha-La-Mao May 23 '22

This is the real answer. Anything else is window dressing. We got rid of asylums and that was a great thing, but we never replaced them with accessible mental health care.

There is one more layer, and that is that most mental health disorders stem from bad parenting, and getting mental health to someone who is/will be a parent is the best thing for that child growing up.

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u/KGhaleon May 23 '22

Look at many of our most recent shootings, were those the result of mental health issues? No, they weren't. They were asshats who wanted to kill people they didn't like. Unless hating someone is somehow a mental illness now.

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u/Cha-La-Mao May 24 '22

Just going to point out that essentially no one who has no mental issues whatsoever commit mass homicide... By definition committing that crime knowingly qualifies you as having some sort of mental health disorder...

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u/Judge-Badger May 24 '22

Tbh I've come to the conclusion that the only way to help america is sum form of nhs I carnt imagine living in fear of illness or injury.

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u/KorranHalcyon May 23 '22

This right here. Mental health. Banning guns won’t change human nature, particularly that of flawed humans. Ban guns and stabbing deaths will skyrocket, ban knives and people will resort to hammers or baseball bats.

The issue is mental health.

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u/ProsodySpeaks May 24 '22

Except that the radical with a bat gets beaten down by a crowd rather than gunning a dozen people down while the crowd flees.

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u/Keyblades4Real May 23 '22

I think we'd see a drastic reduction if we gave the culprits zero attention. Made them nameless, made them nothing. Don't even release their name to the general public. Try them. lock them up, give the victims alone all the screentime with the exception of the shooter being at large. Maybe new laws would help too but I'm not pretending there 's a cut and dry solution here. Places where civilians can't own guns have school stabbings instead.

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u/time_wasting_student May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Unpopular opinion here, but after reviewing many personal documents written by school shooters found on their phones/pcs (schoolshooters.info), many school shooters don't seem to be doing it to make a name for themselves. Many are angry at themselves, their peers, or the establishment and simply seem like they want to inflict pain and suffering. Cruz from florida is a prime example, as was Columbine

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u/Keyblades4Real May 23 '22

The initial shooter probably doesn't but they tend to happen so close to each other because people see how much attention the one incident got.

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u/leftlegYup May 23 '22

I don't think it's a main reason. I think the root of it is a lot of pain that has turned into uncontrollable rage.

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u/KGhaleon May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

yeah, and mental health awareness isn't going to stop someone from taking their anger out on a bully or coworker they hate. People want to come up with a solution to murder like it's that simple.

Here's a solution...solve all of society's problems so that everyone has opportunities, proper wages, living conditions, healthy relationships, etc and maybe there won't be any mass shootings.

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u/CybermenInc May 23 '22

Indeed. Habeas corpus makes it rather difficult, but you could at least not publicize the culprit's name.

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u/Keyblades4Real May 23 '22

I believe you. It's good that you listened to that little voice. Not exactly a school shooting but a shooting nonetheless. One that never happened.

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u/rocketmackenzie May 23 '22

Places where civilians can't own guns have school stabbings instead

Yeah, but stabbings are way less of a problem. If you shoot someone, they're about 12 times as likely to die as if you stabbed them. And guns are pretty fast, can be used from a distance, don't require much physical ability, and put the attacker at much less risk of being disabled by their victim, so chances are a shooter will shoot (successfully or otherwise) a lot more people in a given timespan, and keep shooting over a longer period

Theres a good reason that guns are the weapon of choice in every country where they are easily available

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u/Angel_OfSolitude May 24 '22

These incidents really shouldn't national news. Leaving these events local would go a long way towards stopping them.

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u/Expert-Molasses256 May 24 '22

This seems like the answer, but its actually a big reason for shooters in the first place. People dont just wake up and want to become a killer.... there is many many many things leading up to that, but one of the major reasons is..... they do not care about anything anymore, because no one gave two shits about them. They most likely were heavily bullied and abused, and overtime that eats away. Then to boot, they have access to weapons and they live in a culture of violence

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u/Keyblades4Real May 24 '22

There are people who were horrifically abused and didn't kill others so that only holds so much weight. It's what you do with it that makes all the difference. An abused person killing their abuser makes sense. It's understandable albeit unethical and something they can't simply be given a free pass for (No matter how tempting it might be sometimes). An abused person shooting tons of other people who had literally nothing whatsoever to do with the horrors they've endured? That makes no sense.

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u/AdmiralBarackAdama May 23 '22

I think we'd see a drastic reduction if we gave the culprits zero attention.

I hate this take. Not you for having it, it is certainly a popular theory and opinion but I don't think it would make much of a difference.

Human beings are curious by nature. There is a reason why true crime is one of the number one genres on YouTube. We want to know what makes people tick and we want to know why they do the crazy shit that they do.

There could be something to be said about the way it is glorified in certain circles, if it bleeds it leads and whatnot, but just the simple act of reporting on it and saying their name is not necessarily A bad thing. And, I don't believe it's avoidable to be honest with you. Like I said people want to know, people want to understand.

The way we handle mental illness in this country is the real problem.

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u/Barry-Hallsack69 May 23 '22

This conversation always ends up centered on stuff like gun control etc. but I don't really see people questioning the motives very often? I think we need to take a hard look at what is going on with our society that people are choosing to go out and murder a bunch of strangers, and not just once in a blue moon, but fairly regularly. We can get rid of guns and pay for mental health and all that, but if we don't understand why people are choosing to do this in the first place then we're not really solving the problem. It like treating the symptoms instead of the disease.

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u/MorningGlum May 24 '22

I think this site is likely a huge contributor to the problem.

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u/Trek1973 May 23 '22

Stop putting it all over tv would help.

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u/FalseSpectre May 23 '22

Man, there's a lot to unpack here and a ton of nuance. With that said, I'm not going to act like I have the answer(s), but am only speculating.

  1. Gun control is a hot topic in the US. Some (not all) on the left want to hastily throw out the whole "just get rid of/ban all guns" while the most (again, not all) of the right want to angrily dismiss ANY ideas with "gun control won't work!"

It is my perspective that no one really knows what will or won't work because we're unable to have honest, productive discourse about it. I am a gun enthusiast myself, but would not at all mind exploring various avenues and measures of gun control; so long as decent data is accurately recorded and we're honest with ourselves about what the data tells us.

I think if any measure of gun control will work to reduce firearm related deaths, it will take time, experimentation, and honesty to find those measures.

  1. I see a lot of people saying that we should bring the focus of attention away from the perpetrators. I agree with this sentiment. It's not too incredibly difficult to find groups that mean to glorify the actions of mass shooters. The population within these groups may be far from the majority, but it is still disturbing that they even exist at all.

Will downplaying the acts of those they wish to glorify minimize shootings? I'm not entirely sure, but it's worth a try.

  1. I see a lot of people mentioning mental health. I also have agreement here. If there are signs that this sort of thing potentially happening, we as a culture should probably get better at identifying these signs and remove the taboo to talk about it. This, I would hope, would segue into more individuals getting help that could potentially prevent tragic outcomes.

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u/rimshot101 May 23 '22

I think most people on the left do not subscribe to the ban all guns idea. The NRA and other organs like to portray it that way, but it's not logical or even possible, and most on the left know that. There are also more liberal gun owners than you would imagine. It just gets frustrating that for 30 years we've been told that the only thing we can do about this problem is nothing.

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u/binglybleep May 23 '22 edited May 24 '22

“Gun control” isn’t “no guns ever” anywhere as far as I know, but it does always get painted that way. Gun control has worked well for the U.K. and Australia (and the latter shares some similarities with the us in terms of sparse population and very rural areas), but it doesn’t mean that no one can have a gun.

You can have a gun if you’re a farmer for example, and you can still join shooting clubs and the like, but you just can’t have a gun if you live in like the suburbs or the city, because there isn’t really a necessary excuse and it poses more problems than it solves; you don’t have predators after your livestock, and you’re around a lot of people (and close to police stations etc) if someone attacks you or breaks in or something. I get why someone who lives 80 miles away from a police station and 2 miles away from the nearest neighbour would want a gun; I don’t get why someone who lives in suburbia needs to have an assortment of weapons that wouldn’t be out of place in an active war zone. I don’t get why people need SUCH powerful weapons that are available in the US, when owning like a shotgun or hunting rifle would suffice for their needs.

Like everything, I think moderation is key, but it’s difficult to achieve moderation when the argument gets pushed to such extremes all the time.

Also I appreciate that my viewpoint probably differs and I might have pissed someone off saying this. But I’m just trying to illustrate that other places have found reasonable midway points on this issue and it doesn’t have to be all or nothing

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ETA because this keeps coming up- Having gun control does not qualify a country as a police state, thanks. AGREEING to have ONE house visit for the police to check your gun safe (much like a fireman would check your alarms) DOES NOT CONSTITUTE LOSING YOUR RIGHTS. you can opt out of it by simply not purchasing a weapon. That is a choice, something that you do not get in a police state like the Philippines or USSR. You can’t just call something a police state because you don’t agree with a policy. Cheers

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u/noisymime May 23 '22

Here in Australia basically anyone can have a gun provided you're of age and meet the background check requirements. Yes it's easier for a farmer to get a gun, but there are classes of license for recreational hunting and gun collecting that practically anyone can get.

The difference is that if you're applying for a license like that, you're going to need to be able to demonstrate the genuine need for it. There will be theory and practical tests (like you'd have for a driver's licence, which everyone seems ok with in the USA) and you'll likely need to be part of a registered club etc.

It's an actual sane check to make sure you're going to use the gun the way you claim you will and that you actually know how to use it correctly. These things shouldn't be controversial

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u/binglybleep May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Sorry I should have specified that I was on about UK. But yeah, better checks, proofs that you need it etc are a great idea. Do you guys do the house checks as well? The rules are really strict here, like it needs to be stored in a locked gun cabinet that the police come and inspect, rules about who can be in the home with it, even down to things like having to be against a wall that can’t be cut through to steal it iirc. I can’t remember all the stipulations off the top of my head, but the police definitely do house checks and make sure that absolutely everything is up to code

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u/RTR7105 May 23 '22

None of that is going to fly in the US. And it would have absolutely nothing to do with preventing mass shootings.

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u/binglybleep May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Not saying I have the specific answers for the US, but there’s definitely options (and not just the ones I skimmed over) that could be explored that could have some impact. I really like both America and Americans in general, but shootings (of any kind) are really serious incidents and they happen far too often in America. When you think about how much money and effort has been spent trying to eradicate drugs, an arguably less valuable exercise, America MUST be able to come up with something to at least reduce gun related crime. I don’t think anyone expects all Americans to give up their weapons, but things could obviously be better than they are right now, because there could be less deaths and injury. Less isn’t none, but it’s better than lots

ETA polite reminder that the downvote button is supposed to be for irrelevance and NOT for “this opinion is different than mine”. Please don’t downvote me simply for sharing a different view than your own- it is important to be able to have mature discussions about topics that you don’t necessarily agree with. I’ve been pleasant and understanding so please don’t be dicks. Thanks

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u/RTR7105 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Again all you are doing is fucking over law abiding citizens while doing nothing to address mass shooters. To be seen as "doing something".

The types that commit mass shootings have a profile. They are socially isolated. They feel "society" has wronged them. They choose their targets based on what tenet of society they associate with said wrongs. They choose somewhere that they likely won't be being shot back at. And as soon as they are confronted with resist they usually off themselves.

No where in that process would restricting regular gun owners have anything to do with preventing or slowing mass shootings.

The original Assault Weapons Ban did nothing to stop mass shootings. Over 90 percent of all gun crime is with handguns.

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u/binglybleep May 24 '22

I haven’t mentioned mass shooters (I know OP did but I’m on about just general gun control here). And honestly I don’t claim to have US specific answers, I’m just giving examples to show that countries have managed to find their own solutions that meet a reasonable middle ground.

I’m specifically not going for the mass shooting prevention angle here, because I’m not an expert on the subject, and also because just reducing the number of all of the other kinds of shootings that occur would be a good thing. If less toddlers play with guns owned by irresponsible parents, that’s a good thing. If less people shoot themselves, it’s a good thing. If less people shoot their neighbours, or enemies, or people who cut them off in traffic, that’s a good thing. There is no perfect answer of course, but less of these incidents is still better for the greater good than simply doing nothing about what is evidently quite a big problem

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u/RTR7105 May 24 '22

Unless the solution is worse than the problem. So called progressives couldn't imagine the police state needed for their gun control fantasies.

It's about targeting their political enemies.

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u/Busey_DaButthorn May 24 '22

The reason for the 2nd amendment is so people can fight the government if need be. Harriet Tubman used guns to keep slaves safe on the underground railroad. working class whites used guns at the battle of Blair Mountain to fight for labor rights. People need to be able to own weapons of war so the government will fear the people.

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u/rimshot101 May 24 '22

2nd Amendment people never mention the well regulated militia part. I think the idea was people should be armed so they can protect the country. The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about overthrowing the government because elections didn't go your way.

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u/Busey_DaButthorn May 24 '22

well regulated means properly functioning not regulated like by a government agency

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u/Mattgitsgud May 24 '22

The government isn't scared of you no matter how many guns you have. And they certainly won't stop a Reaper drone from shooting a Hellfire missle up your ass from a mile away.

I won't even get into the fact that the constitution was written 250 years ago.

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u/CrazyCoKids May 23 '22

Gun control is simple.

Is there anyone out there who you think should not be in possession of a gun?

If you can think of - or even name - even one person? Congratulations - you believe in Gun Control.

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u/ecuusa May 23 '22

The mental health point is especially interesting because many mass shooters have had contact with mental health resources, but it is very difficult to forcibly commit someone into long-term care if they haven’t committed a crime. For example, the Buffalo shooter was held on a 72-hour hold in a psych ward last year because of violent threats he made. However, he was released and fell off the radar.

Our issue isn’t necessarily the taboo of talking about mental health, although I’m all for less stigma there. Our issue is that our mental health system is toothless against violent people who don’t want help—or who can’t afford it.

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u/FalseSpectre May 23 '22

Very interesting information and perspective. I will ponder on this with this view in mind. Thank you for sharing!

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u/M00seTwinkie May 23 '22

That is an awesome, well informed and articulated argument (sounds weird to say that about something on reddit) and I totally agree. Well spoken

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u/moneybagsukulele May 23 '22

Here here! 🍻

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u/Destroy_The_Rich May 23 '22

so long as decent data is accurately recorded and we're honest with ourselves about what the data tells us.

That's the problem. The dicky amendment prevented the CDC from studying gun violence until fairly recently.

So it may still be a few years before we have reliable data just because the NRA is well, awful.

I'm a pessimist about gun control. I doubt we will see any remotely substantial changed to the status quo until half the greedy fucks in Congress finally die off.

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22 Gold

Make it harder to access guns.

I await my downvotes

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u/Still-me- May 23 '22

I'm not an American, so not familiar with gun laws. But I read somewhere thatn in some states a person can walk in a gun store and walk away with a gun right then and there. Is this true? In my country getting one is a huge hastle.

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u/Olorin919 May 23 '22

You need to submit a background check but thats part of the the problem. Theyre not super in depth. If it comes up that youre already a felon or have a history of mental illness or anything you cant get one. Black flagged, cant happen. But if you have no prior records and seem like a normal person, you can get a gun in many states within no time at all.

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u/CeterumCenseo85 May 23 '22

You say that, but every time I ask about it, people tell me that in the US you can just privately buy/sell guns without having to register the new owner.

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u/vinegarnutsack May 23 '22

Yes, this is true. Background check rules only apply to licensed sellers, aka gun dealers.

Any private citizen can sell any gun to anybody they want with no paperwork involved as long as they believe that person is legally allowed to own a gun.

There is no "registering" guns here. Well, at least in most states (six states require firearm registration). In general states or the federal government do not track who owns what guns at all. This is a major point of the NRA's lobbying efforts: no "national gun registry" - as this is believed to be the first step in firearm confiscation.

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u/annomandaris May 24 '22

While there is no registration, there is still a trail to match a handgun (not rifles) to an owner.

if you sell a handgun, you are legally required to keep the information for the guy who sold it to you. you DONT turn it in to any government, but you are responsible for it if they come asking for it.

The way it works is they find a gun and need to trace it, they call the manufactuerer and tell them the serial and they will know the store it was sold to. Then you call the store and give them the serial and, since they are leally required to have the information, they can give it to police. Eventually they will follow the trail of sold until they come to you, the owner.

Then youd have to say it got lost or stolen, which in some circumstances not reporting it would mean you could do time for that, etc.

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u/IBeTrippin May 24 '22

This depends on the state. In some states all handgun transactions must go through a dealer, for example.

There's no central 'registration' per se, but the dealer does maintain the records.

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u/Olorin919 May 24 '22

privately you 1000% register the new owner, or else you're the last owner and if that firearm is used to murder someone, you're going to jail. No one will background check in a private sale but I promise you every one of them gets registered to the new owner, unless the seller got that gun illegally in which case they wont care because they're not on the hook for anything.

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u/ZombieGroan May 23 '22

As with most things in the US it depends on the state.

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u/FalseSpectre May 23 '22

Yes, this is true. Every gun I've bought was a same day process. It's not like that in every single state, but I can attest that in some places of the US, you can absolutely walk into a gun store, pay for the gun and the background check, and walk out in about 20 minutes with a new gun.

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u/mikevago May 23 '22

And I'd be willing to bet your country has a fraction of the gun violence the US has. But right-wingers will be along any minute to downvote us both and demand there's no connection there.

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u/ZombieGroan May 23 '22

I would argue that mass shooters will just find a different means of causing terror.

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u/6thReplacementMonkey May 23 '22

They might, but if you increase the barriers, then the effectiveness and frequency goes down.

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u/underengineered May 23 '22

The majority of mass shootings in the US take place in blue states with strict gun laws. Chicago, DC, and a few other cities.

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u/6thReplacementMonkey May 23 '22

Now adjust for population, and define "strict" gun laws.

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u/Alpine261 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

Adjusting for population alone is taking some of the nuance out. Let's take Texas for example. They have less mass shootings than Illinois. Texas has three times the population but nowhere near as many shootings. The issue is t as simple as ban guns. In reality you have to go further and outright remove all guns to ever exist and even then that wouldn't solve the problem. Most gun deaths in the us are gang related and even if you out right ban guns cartel's are based in Mexico and will just start up a fun plant.

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u/noisymime May 23 '22

Australian here, the situation we've had since a 1996 mass shooting would disagree with you. A fairly strict gun ban was implemented and we've not had a mass terror event anywhere near that size since.

As a bonus, gun deaths (per capita) dropped by about 75%.

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u/IBeTrippin May 24 '22

Should be noted that you also didn't have many on that scale before the Port Arthur shooting, either.

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u/Still-me- May 23 '22

I guess a big issue like this doesn't have one solution only. Not guns alone and not mental health alone. But I would argue a knife would hurt less people?!

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u/gross-phlegm37 May 23 '22

In my home country guns are expensive as hell. A simple handgun can cost an average of 5 to 7,000 USD, that same gun can be bought here in the u.s for 400 bucks, less if you buy it 2nd hand. Usually the only people who have guns there are physicians, lawyers, politicians etc etc.

If the common people had 5+ thousand usd they wouldn't spend it on a gun, they would buy motorcycle to get around or start a small business. We have a lot of corruption, but we do not have a lot of gun violence.

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u/ElvisDepressedIy May 23 '22

Because criminals obey laws. Violent ones especially. They're famous for it.

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

So we just get an increase in bombings and gas attacks. These crimes are dependent on Motive, Means, and Opportunity. Getting rid of the means does not mean that these psychopaths will just calm down.

If you magically disappeared every single firearm in the US, you would have a bombing or gas attack within a month. We have a cultural problem of violence, and the people who perform that violence will not be so easily dissuaded from it by something like a gun ban.

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u/6thReplacementMonkey May 23 '22

you would have a bombing or gas attack within a month

Bombs and gas attacks kill way more people. If they are so much more effective, why do people choose to use guns for most of them?

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u/PotatoBestFood May 23 '22

You’re backwards thinking: you assume people do it because of culture. But the fact is people like that exist all over the world. They simply don’t have the means to do it as easily.

If what you’re saying was true, everywhere outside US, where guns aren’t as easily available, there would be similar amounts of bombings and gassings as there are shootings in the US. But that’s simply not the case.

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

You know what else those countries have that the US doesn't? Adequate and functional mental health care.

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u/agreeingstorm9 May 23 '22

Problem with this is that the Vegas shooter was a rich guy with access to all the mental healthcare he wanted. Buffalo shooter was placed on a 72 hr psych hold at one point but had no interest in getting help and was let go. Guy who shot Chris Kyle (American sniper dude) was actively under the care of a mental health professional at the time. Mental health is not the issue unless you want to explain how the US is the only country on the planet with mental health issues.

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22

I'm not suggesting a gun ban will suddenly make violent people more violent. It would just make it harder for them to hurt such large numbers of people all at once

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u/StabbyPants May 23 '22

not appreciably. i can go rent a u-haul any day of the week

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

As another commenter pointed out, bombs and gas can easily hurt more people at once. It's just not as flashy, easy, or "fun" for the perpetrator as a mass shooting. If it was the only option for these people's fantasies though, you would see it more often.

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22

As another commenter pointed out, bombs and gas can easily hurt more people at once.

And, do you think bombs and deadly gas are easier or harder to get than guns in the US?

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u/20220520 May 24 '22

Or they can just get a car like what happenned in Nice.

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

Depends on how much you know. To me it would be about the same, but there would be more labor in assembling a bomb or gas device.

Oh boy now I'm on a watch list

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22

So, banning guns would make it somewhat more difficult for people to achieve the means to mass murder?

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

Marginally more difficult. It would push them into other means with more damaging potential though so not a worthy tradeoff in my opinion. Given a choice between the two, I would rather face a psychopath armed with a gun than a backpack full of pipe bombs.

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22

Personally, I think that if you look at mass shooters in the US, the majority of them are not trained terrorists but rather angry opportunists.

Most of the people shooting up schools do so just because they had easy access to a gun and probably wouldn't have bothered if they had had to go to the effort of building their own IEDs

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u/HaCo111 May 23 '22

You are placing the means more highly than the motive, which I don't think is accurate to do. These people aren't just going to calm down and seek therapy because they couldn't get a gun. Their psychosis will compel them to find another means, because the motive is still there.

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u/CGY-SS May 23 '22

You're right. This has famously worked with drugs, abortions, and prohibition. It's even worked with guns! Oh wait, no it hasn't.

You have guns. You'll always have guns. They'll never go away. Learn to treat the problem at the source, which is people becoming mentally sick enough to want to commit a mass murder.

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u/Peri-D-Optrix May 23 '22

Make it harder to access guns.

I didn't say I though they were necessarily legally obtained

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u/necessarysmartassery May 23 '22

Mass shootings are a rarity.

We should be focusing on gang violence. There's much, MUCH more of it.

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u/No_Manufacturer5641 May 24 '22

Gang violence are often mass shootings.

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u/tajmer May 23 '22

Which other countries besides USA even have mass shooting problems?

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u/squirlnutz May 23 '22

Not joking:

News reporting after every one needs to a) not mention shooters name, b) emphasize what a tiny penis the shooter had. Dead or alive, news reports should include “Once again authorities have confirmed that people who perpetrate shootings like this always have low testosterone and small penises. This one is no exception.”

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u/MorningGlum May 24 '22

Your culture of mockery is one of the biggest causes of all of this. You are part of the problem.

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u/KirisuMongolianSpot May 24 '22

If you're truly not joking--body shaming is an asshole move, and tying it to murderous violence is reprehensible.

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u/moneybagsukulele May 23 '22

😂😂😂😂😂 I 100% agree with this.

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u/JackPhantomOfficial May 23 '22

Very simple:

Funding for universal healthcare, including mental health

Good meaningful work for people at good wages

Benefits and vacations

Affordable housing that is safe and clean.

But you know, that would cut into billionaire profits, so the shootings continue.

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u/AgentElman May 23 '22

They are so rare that effort spent on stopping them is essentially a waste.

Mass shootings account for less than one tenth of one percent of the 559,347 people murdered in the United States over the past thirty years.

We should focus on stopping all murders, not the ones that have the biggest headlines.

The focus on dramatic headlines and photos is why people were happy to spend a trillion dollars and change security in the U.S. permanently for 9/11 that killed 3,000 Americans but did not want to wear a mask to stop Covid that was killing 3,000 Americans each day.

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u/Cirrus-Ramparts May 23 '22

There was a mass shooting at my school a few years before I got there. Every day I had to walk by a memorial for the victims. I think you’d feel differently if it happened at your school, but I don’t know. I don’t know you.

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u/SignificanceDesigner May 23 '22

Day 143 and we are now up to 198 mass shootings this year.

We ended 2021 with 693 mass shootings per the gun violence archive

In 2020 guns became the leading cause of death for children and teens

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u/nmj95123 May 23 '22

The Gun Violence Archive is propaganda. They consider a range accident during which a shotgun malfunctioned to be a "mass shooting" because more than 4 people were hit by ricocheting BBs. Is a range accident a "mass shooting?"

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u/eat-KFC-all-day May 23 '22

When you water down the definition of "mass shooting" to such an extent, your statistics are misguided at best, intentionally misleading arguably, and targeted propaganda at worst.

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u/indomitablescot May 23 '22

How many are gang related?

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u/PelicanJack May 24 '22

Leading cause of death for "children" age 18-19 and involved in gang activity.

Won't someone think of the children?!?!?!

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u/SundaColugoToffee May 23 '22

End the stigma on mental health care and make mental health a standard integral part of regular health care.

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u/djdjsksldbahehe May 24 '22

1.fix the background check system 2.stop listing to the government cause the left likes to change absolutely everything they possibly can to it fit their narrative. the right on the other hand don't even try to fix the problem both sides have no idea what the hell they are doing and make the issue worse. 3.UNBIASED EDUCATION!!!!! Example big left leaning cities have more gangs 4.stop comparing the US to the rest of the world cause we are attached to a country they runs drugs,people,and weapons

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u/Individual_Beyond372 May 24 '22

Give it no publicity

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u/SigourneyReaver May 24 '22

Actually enforce laws like confiscating guns from people convicted of domestic violence. Even misdemeanors.

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u/ComradeArif May 23 '22

Despite the enormous technological advances made by the United States, one thing I find cringey about that country is how they brazenly ignore warning signs n not take action apriori and instead wait till it reaches crises point and blows over.

Detecting warning signs in folks and diagnosing them pronto medically will surely cure this mass shooting issue.

If someone is reaching a boiling point and society's option is to ignore cos the guy who down has to build himself back up, well 998/1000 people will neither either turn their lives around, nor go postal on society that ignored them to this violent way. Instead this majority will just do drugs, go homeless or just live quietly in depression.

The 1/10 our of 1000 will turn his or her life around and will be paraded for a while by society as hero whereas the other 1/10 guy turns out ur school shooter.

Apparently , the US treasury doesn't deem it fit enough to warrant a subsidy to mental health. Only when there is a glaring statistical majority involved , like for instance, that 65 percent of farmers going broke in great depression, would the government take action.

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u/IBeTrippin May 24 '22

At some point in the 70s or 80s the US decided it was too mean to lock up crazy people who make threats. Actually forcing people into treatment, or even committing them to a facility, is very difficult.

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u/Arthesia May 23 '22

Gun control, quality education, universal healthcare and a better social emphasis on mental health.

Unfortunately, these things are controversial.

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u/SundaColugoToffee May 23 '22

Why is everyone so concerned about the relatively rare event (1 or 2 a year) that typically kills a handful of white middle class kids but no one talks about the very common (daily) drive-by shootings that kill hundreds of of poor black youth in the inner cities of places like Chicago?

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u/QuickBen41 May 23 '22

Do something about gangs since thats who commits the vast majority of mass shootings

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u/PM_ME_PARR0TS May 23 '22 edited May 24 '22

Serious social stigma against letting relatives (and others in general) have access to your firearms. And actual accountability when people still do.

Figuring out patterns between mass shootings, so we can identify risk factors and stop the pipeline upstream with various types of earlier intervention measures.

More regulation of ammunition.

Quality of life improvements. There are way too many people who feel like they have nothing to lose. They're vulnerable to radicalization, unafraid of consequences, and whoever they blame for that situation is in disproportionate danger.

There isn't one single cause, and there won't be one single solution. I sure don't have all the answers. Anyone who claims to is either a prodigy, or full of it.

We need to pursue a consistent reduction of incidents over time instead of continuing to bury heads in the sand - but not by just shitting out more "bans" that're ineffectual gibberish.

And we need to do that without starting a new ~war on drugs 2.0~ that goes nowhere besides a steady stream of talking points for politicians.

And without letting mass shootings (and gun violence prevention in general) become an excuse to increase state power over us. Especially in ways that could be misused far beyond their stated purpose.

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u/Justifiably_Cynical May 23 '22

I would like to see those people prosecuted as accomplices before the fact. I'd also like to see that for every gun owner who does not report a gun stolen that ends up used in a crime.

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u/PM_ME_PARR0TS May 23 '22

Same. It has directly enabled murders that wouldn't be possible otherwise. Especially in schools.

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u/mikevago May 23 '22

We need to regulate guns the way we do cars — no license without taking several tests. Mandatory insurance. License every gun to the owner, so black market guns are virtually impossible, and if your gun gets used in a crime, you're culpable. None of this would be more than a minor nuisance for responsible gun owners, but it would make it a lot harder for criminals, and a mass shooter wouldn't be able to walk into a gun shop on Monday and kill a bunch of schoolchildren on Tuesday.

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u/PM_ME_PARR0TS May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Yeah. And sure, people will shoot this down and claim it's useless because there'll still be shootings from people who circumvent restrictions, and it'd be hard to implement with the amount already in circulation, etc. Same about regulating ammo.

But nobody ever said this would be easy. And adding layers of difficulty does save lives. It makes people wait who'd otherwise have acted on impulse, and keeps some from having access altogether.

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u/mikevago May 23 '22

But also, the whole point of laws in general isn't to eliminate all crime forever. It's to make it harder. Sure, some people will always be able to get ahold of guns and commit murder, but we don't have to make it so fucking easy for them.

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u/AtreusAteo May 23 '22

Every country in the world has mentally ill people, only one country has a fuck ton of shootings like that, it's not the mental health guys.

Regulate or, even better, ban guns. Simple yet very effective.

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u/trevordude25 May 23 '22

A lot of people tend to forget that guns are a necessity in parts of America thats why we dont want them outright banned. I lived on a farm for close to four years now and protecting livestock from predators is a real this that I have to do. Coyotes, foxes, raccoons, bobcats, are all things that have to be dealt with. I would be pissed if I had to to hunt a Coyote with a knife or a baseball bat.

And it would certainly be less humane if I sat there beating wildlife to death cause my gun got taken away.

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u/TomoyoHoshijiro May 24 '22

Yep. That's why in Japan it is illegal to own a gun unless you can prove that you need a gun and that you're stable enough to handle a gun. In Canada you have to have a background check and a clean mental health record.

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u/Sigfreedsolomon May 24 '22

No country that has gun control- doesn’t allow them for legitimate uses like farming/pest control/hunting

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u/kinhk May 24 '22

Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws. Yet look at chicago.

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u/SundaColugoToffee May 23 '22

Are you aware the US is 11th in mass shootings?

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u/AtreusAteo May 24 '22

The US is 11th in deaths in mass shootings per mean capita which is a ridiculously specific metric to use to compare total numbers. The US is first and by a large margin for total number of shootings and people killed in mass shootings.

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u/Justifiably_Cynical May 23 '22

Most other countries enjoy a better or at least more available mental health care system and in countries that do not they have similar events.

Realistically there will never be a ban on firearms in this country and if there were it would be as effective as the war on drugs. In the face of that simple fact it is not even a pipe dream. we need to fight these things with awareness and treatment, screening and laws that enable the medical incarceration of anyone considered dangerous enough to not own a firearm.

It's not simple, Never has been, Might have been effective in 1866. But since that point there is absolutely no chance.

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u/AtreusAteo May 23 '22

The rest of the world has done it, it is simple. No its not a question of mental health and until your health care system is fixed, the US will never be able to provide appropriate mental health care anyway, so either way y'all are fucked. Don't blame people with mental illness for things done by racists, assholes and violent criminals.

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u/mikevago May 23 '22

Mental health is a scapegoat, and you need look no further than this thread to see how completely people have bought into what's essentially NRA propaganda.

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u/MorningGlum May 24 '22

It's not the guns, Switzerland is packed with them too, it's the culture.

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u/spartannez64 May 23 '22

I see a lot of gun talk from people that have probably never seen a real gun before. You're no different than the clowns on both sides of the isle that are making laws about shit you know nothing about.

To answer the question, you can't. Pandora's box has already been opened. And yes, pawn shops and gun stores are background checking you. The fact of the matter is that there are more guns than people in this country and there is zero way you will ever know where they all are.

Also, for the people clamoring for mass confiscation and things of that nature, fuck you. It's not ok for us to commit violence against others but it's ok for the state to commit violence against me to take my property? Fuck off.

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u/IBeTrippin May 24 '22

3D printing will eventually end the gun control issue.

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u/SignificanceDesigner May 23 '22

Sensible gun control legislation, recognizing that right wing religious nationalists are a real, imminent threat, and funding mental healthcare adequately would be a good start.

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u/SundaColugoToffee May 23 '22

How many mass shooters have been

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u/Night_Hawk69420 May 23 '22

What part of "shall not be infringed" isn't clear to you? If you are president for a day to we just ignore the parts of the constitution you don't like?

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u/1PantherA33 May 23 '22

No. You amend the constitution to remove that part.

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u/underengineered May 23 '22

Agreed. Also, good luck with that.

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u/Night_Hawk69420 May 23 '22

Hey if you can drum up support of 2/3 of the house and senate and get 3/4 of the states to ratify it than more power to you but good luck it isn't ever going to happen here

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u/1PantherA33 May 23 '22

So it can be changed. What was your original response about?

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u/Royal_Payne May 23 '22

You forgot about the 200,000,000 gun owning citizens that will literally rebel against and take out the government for trying to take our guns away.

God, I love the 2nd amendment ❤️

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u/blamemeididit May 24 '22

As a gun owner, this attitude does not help.

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u/SignificanceDesigner May 23 '22

Yup, it is a living document that is way overdue for some updating

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u/TrashbatLondon May 23 '22

There are already restrictions on certain types of arms that are not deemed unconstitutional. The second amendment is plenty vague that you could bring in loads of controls that would reduce school shootings while still comfortably allowing individuals to be armed. The idea that moderate gun control is unconstitutional is massively, massively wrong.

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u/Night_Hawk69420 May 23 '22

I respectfully totally disagree. I would argue that any restrictions we have against owning a firearm of any kind is unconstitutional. Where in the second amendment does it carve out exceptions for this, that or the other? It doesn't. The only legitimate reason to take away a constitutional right is if you are convicted of a felony by a jury of your peers and then you do give up certain rights but that is it

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u/TrashbatLondon May 23 '22

I respectfully totally disagree. I would argue that any restrictions we have against owning a firearm of any kind is unconstitutional.

You already can’t have nuclear war heads as a private citizen.

Where in the second amendment does it carve out exceptions for this, that or the other? It doesn't.

Where in the second amendment does it state that “Arms” should include all weapons including those developed many years after the amendment was drafted with technological applications and consequences beyond the comprehension of the original authors?

The only legitimate reason to take away a constitutional right is if you are convicted of a felony by a jury of your peers and then you do give up certain rights but that is it

This is actually super weird to me, that America denies rights to people who commit crimes, even after their period of punishment. Seems incredibly authoritarian.

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u/nmj95123 May 23 '22

Where in the second amendment does it state that “Arms” should include all weapons including those developed many years after the amendment was drafted with technological applications and consequences beyond the comprehension of the original authors?

So freedom of speech only includes writing with quill and paper and soapboxing in the town square?

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u/Night_Hawk69420 May 24 '22

This made me laugh but I like the analogy

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u/Night_Hawk69420 May 23 '22

No one said anything about the right to own bombs or nuclear warheads I said firearms.

That's the point the second amendment doesn't spell out what arms you can or can not own so even the fact that fully automatic firearms are mostly illegal is against the constitution. It is vague on purpose.

For felons I 100% agree that once you have served your sentence you should get all rights back and that is mostly the case

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u/flippenko May 23 '22

Criminals don't follow laws. Legislation does nothing but hinder law-abiding citizens. Murder is already illegal. The United States is a poor example of this, because our murder rate drastically changes when you start sorting by race and/or financial wellbeing.

The focus needs to be on cultural difference, and mental health. A large amount of our violent crime is committed by males, aged 18-30. Prime time for a poor parental upbringing, while being poor, and having an untreated mental disability, that leads to violence.

Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem.

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u/DeadFyre May 23 '22

It's absurd to suppose you can stop it. At what point did we we collectively decide that the function of government is to "prevent" crime instead of just punishing it?

Also, fixating on 'mass shootings' ignores over 95% of all intentional, non-suicide homicides. Simply put, as tragic and heinous as these crimes are, they are far too infrequent and bizarre to simply be waved away by the change in a few public policy decisions, be that gun control, mental health, or whatever other change one might are to propose.

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u/carissadraws May 23 '22

At this point I’d settle for reducing them at least. Why is everything either trying to 100% stop something or letting it go unchecked with power? There is a middle ground, just because you can’t stop a bad thing from happening doesn’t mean you can’t help the problem a little

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u/ChigBungusYuckFou May 23 '22

Stop prescribing SSRI's and other psychoactive drugs to every single child that doesn't like school. The fact that almost every single mass shooter has been confirmed to be taking SSRI's but that fact is buried and never talked about means they should be running a "brought to you by Pfizer" after every news story about a mass shooting. Seriously, why do they work so hard to keep that obvious factor a secret? Why have most of you never heard that angle? Think about it...

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u/GenericEschatologist May 23 '22

Correlation is not causation.

People taking heart medications are more likely to die of a heart attack.

This does not mean that heart meds are killing people.

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u/IBeTrippin May 24 '22

This is a greatly under reported story. And with 50% of all TV advertising paid for by big pharma, I think I know why its greatly under reported.

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u/DoYouLikeHardCandy May 23 '22

You didnt have to say that last part

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u/trevordude25 May 23 '22

Simple really keep your guns locked up and away from your kids. I am on a college shotgun sports team and I keep my shotgun in a safe that only I know the password too. If I was a parent the only time my kid could access any type of gun would be with my supervision. The parents are honestly the ones to blame, in my eyes they trust their kids which sure there are exceptions where you can trust your kid with a firearm but they can prevent ease of access by properly securing them and this would stop a lot of shootings.

Honestly don't need gun control just gun education and proper security.

and to those who say that they can't afford a decent gun safe then they shouldn't own a gun.

But this is just my opinion feel free to share yours

Edit:(Sorry this is more about school shootings than mass shootings)

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u/Akul_Tesla May 23 '22

When Australia had a mass shooting they immediately got rid of all guns despite being as gun-loving as the US. Simply put as long as guns are freely available in the US as they are this will continue to happen. Granted there's also the option of implementing a collective punishment but that is by far ethically worse than doing nothing

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u/blamemeididit May 24 '22

You should talk to more Australians. I have talked to quite a few. They have plenty of guns and have found plenty of ways to work around the systems in place to regulate them. In all cases, guns were surrendered voluntarily. Guarantee many guns did not get turned in.

It has been estimated that, as at 2017, there were 3,158,795 firearms in private hands in Australia, of which 414,205 were unregistered. This represents 14.5 firearms per 100 people.

I don't disagree that making guns less available might have a positive impact. In some cases though, the guns were not acquired through legal means. An outright gun ban is just not going to happen. It would take changing an amendment.

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u/EmbarrassedChair4809 May 25 '22

I am Australian here.

Of course if you want to shoot at a gun club or need to shoot for farming etc. i have zero issue with people having them whatsoever. Seems like a super fun hobby and I know most people who are willing to put the effort in to get a gun here are likely very safe and responsible with it.

What I am super happy about, is that you can't buy these guns at my local supermarket. That a mentally ill crazy doesn't have super easy access to them.

I would have no idea how to go about getting a gun. Neither does anyone that I know outside of a few who love to hunt.

I don't think this would work in the US as it's too far gone. I respect the 2nd amendment you Americans have, but I'm personally glad it is this way in Australia.

I am not worried the dodgy guy on the street is armed, not worried that petty burglars are armed, police aren't constantly scared of being shot by civilians. There just aren't many guns owned people who aren't responsible, as getting one is a pain in the arse.

Are the organized criminals going to have black market guns? Sure! There is no way to stop that. But a whole lot less guns around makes me feel a whole lot safer.

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u/Salty_Letterhead May 23 '22

Strict gun control and greatly expanded access to quality mental health care

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u/KDAdontBanPls May 23 '22

We can’t even crack world hunger, wouldn’t hold your breath for miracles 😐

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u/CybermenInc May 23 '22 edited May 24 '22

First things first, the answer isn't to ban guns. People who want guns and don't care about legality would still be able to get them off the black market.

With that out of the way, you must ask yourself a question: what causes people to commit mass shootings? In my opinion, it comes down to two things.

First, modern culture (but especially the American sub-branch) has a plague of depressed people. This, accompanied by the decline of traditional mental health support institutions such as churches, means that you have a lot of people in harmful mental states. Such people strike out and hurt others. Further complicating matters, society has responded badly. Instead of acknowledging its issue and working towards a solution, it has gone direct the other way, normalizing derangement. Thus, not only do you have a superabundance of people who are depressed or otherwise deranged, you also have a society which tells them that they are “special,” that their derangement should be celebrated.

Second, popular culture constantly shouts that violent, bloody revenge is an appropriate response to being wronged. This is a long-going problem; it started centuries ago with books and plays such as Hamlet, The Count of Monte Cristo, and A Tale of Two Cities. Back then, it was portrayed in a relatively negative light; Hamlet was insane, the Count was a soulless druggie who destroyed everyone he loved in his revenge, Madame Defarge took pleasure in killing innocents, and so on. Unfortunately, as time went on, authors and scriptwriters dropped these negative aspects. Revenge-fueled heroes such as Batman (“I am Vengeance”) and Titus Andronicus1]) became the norm. This kind of narrative appeals to some deranged people. They see in the violence of these fictional characters a solution to their own problems.

With those things in mind, the solution is clear: society must stop glorifying violence, revenge, and derangement.

1]: Shakespeare wrote the eponymous play in the Elizabethan era. However, it was hardly ever performed until the mid to late 20th Century)

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u/SnoSlider May 23 '22

Get money, greed and power out of politics.

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u/SUSPECT_XX May 23 '22

I'm going to amend this to all school or youth tragedies, treat mental health as a serious thing instead of an annoyance. Another way would be to normalize seeking help and supporting them. If they know they can get help they won't descend further. And while I'm here, taking guns wouldn't help, they will find other ways.

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u/bushpotatoe May 23 '22

Better education and mental health support.

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u/TheRealOgMark May 23 '22

Needs gun control on par with other first world nations.

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u/simplyintentional May 23 '22

Bringing back social supports and mental health care.

Raising wages so parents don't have to work multiple shitty jobs and can actually spend time with and raise their children.

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u/Ambitious-Ice2357 May 23 '22

You can’t. Unfortunately, there’s always going to be dangerous, violent, unstable people among us.

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u/No-Job-5915 May 23 '22

Shoot back

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u/runrun950 May 23 '22

I don’t know if shootings could be reduced, but I think gun owners should be made to purchase insurance that could be used to compensate victims wrongfully injured by the gun owner.

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u/necessarysmartassery May 23 '22

You can't charge people to exercise their constitutional rights.

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u/moneybagsukulele May 23 '22

Interesting thought - lots of gun owners get insurance to cover court and other costs in the worst case scenario, but it's certainly not mandatory, and it's not dedicated to the "shootee" or their families.

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u/blamemeididit May 24 '22

Very few legal gun owners commit homicide with a firearm.

Most mass shooters are not legal gun owners. They likely have no insurance.

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u/soup_flikkker May 23 '22

The same way we fix drug abuse, and spousal abuse. Make mental health care free, widely available, and remove the taboo that comes along with it. I have a friend, he litterally does not believe in mental illness.

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u/Acceptable_Wait_2910 May 23 '22

You can’t, it’s fairytale. Only thing you can do is minimise the potential damage. Educate people how to behave, teach them how to use a weapon (in case they have to defend themselves), build new structures in a way that offer good defensive positions till the cavalry arrives. That kind of stuff

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u/Nintendogma May 23 '22

The typical mass shooter is a socially disenfranchised, mentally unstable, categorically "white" male, in his mid thirties, though the age range is from as young as 11 to as old as 73.

Soooo maybe socially enfranchising and providing mental health services to categorically "white" males before they reach the age of 10 years old is probably a solid starting point to stop mass shooters.

The film "The Joker" presented a social commentary on this very problem that stuck with me as a scathing indictment of our society:

"What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash? You get what you f@$&ing deserve!"

Granted, it was just a fictional narrative, but it shook me up. We collectively as a civilization have so egregiously failed the very real version of that kind of person, how could we possibly expect anything other than exactly the heartbreaking violence that we've seen play out over and over and over again?

Mass shooters are exactly the product of a civilization that discards, socially isolates, and callously mistreats the mentally ill.

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u/STJ41 May 23 '22

The faster way? Stop selling arms like they are fucking toys.

Medium way? Be more strict and severe with gun owners and whoever whats to acquiere one. At least make it more difficul than getting your gun in a fucking Happy Meal.

Long term? Educate americans, explain them that guns are not actual toy, change the way they view lkterally the world and their environment.