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Xu Xiadong is a Chinese MMA fighter who fought around the mainland to expose fake kung fu masters Video

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u/hereforthel9ls 14d ago

The amount of shit this guy got for doing this was unreal. It's almost as if they want to believe in it so much they just don't care it's all BS.

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u/Admirable_Success732 14d ago

Weird that humans are like that.

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u/icecube373 13d ago edited 13d ago

The idea of being proven wrong and having all your delusions come down on you, exposing you for the fraud you are, is ultimately mind crippling, and most, if not all, people faced with a rude awakening like that almost never accept it and decide to follow the “ignorance is bliss” ideology of never coming to terms and just doubling down. Shit is downright sad but you can only ever do so much to help people like that see the reality of things :/

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u/Ronjon18 13d ago

Tribalism helped us survive for thousands of years, now it’s killing us

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u/Splaishe 13d ago

Found the anthropologist!

(who is also correct af)

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u/FearAzrael 13d ago

Or literally anyone who understands a simple concept. Tribalism is so blatant that you don't need a degree to see it in effect in our everyday lives.

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW 13d ago

My tribe of anthropologists is gunna beat you up for saying that

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u/FearAzrael 13d ago

No please, I'm wearing a cardigan!

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u/Plugasaurus_Rex 13d ago

Don’t worry, my cardigan tribe will protect you!

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u/Kermit_the_hog 13d ago

Alright cardigan tribe, anthropologists have thrown down… time to button/zip up or shut up.

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u/121dBm 13d ago

Alright cardigans… When you see the anthropologists, act cashmere.

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u/throwtowardaccount 13d ago

I thought we told you this is our turf. No one comments on anthroplogical phenomena in these parts without our say so.

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u/out_of_toilet_paper 13d ago

You are now part of the 'tribalism is killing us' tribe

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u/Gaminggeko 13d ago

I think it's a very Chinese opinion with tradition being so respected and maybe they don't view MMA as valid because it's not traditionally Chinese.

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u/BrainPicker3 13d ago

The irony being Mao basically tried to kill off any reference to old ways and traditions during the cultural revolution. That's my personal theory on why so many previously effective fighting styles were watered down into essentially dances

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u/jk147 13d ago

It is not a theory.. Wushu was the result of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wushu_(sport)

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u/WikiSummarizerBot 13d ago

Wushu (sport)

Wushu () or Kungfu, is a hard and soft and complete martial art, as well as a full-contact sport. It has a long history in reference to Chinese martial arts. It was developed in 1949 in an effort to standardize the practice of traditional Chinese martial arts, yet attempts to structure the various decentralized martial arts traditions date back earlier, when the Central Guoshu Institute was established at Nanking in 1928. "Wushu" is the Chinese term for "martial arts" (武 "Wu" = military or martial, 術 "Shu" = art).

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u/PsychoAgent 13d ago

So... like the antithesis to what modern MMA became? Combine the least useful aspects of multiple martial arts styles and discard the rest.

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u/honeybear003 13d ago

Holy shit, I had no idea! That's fascinating!

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u/homelessphone 13d ago

Didn’t Bruce Lee learn most of it from European techniques like the fencer’s stance?

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u/funnystoryaboutthat2 13d ago

He was a very good western boxer as well. He advocated to use the most effective fighting techniques rather than being married to only one style.

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u/gabu87 13d ago

Eh, bruce lee was anything but traditional and hes a national icon

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u/Kimchi_boy 13d ago

Yes, but Lee didn’t fight these “masters”. If he would have he would’ve kicked their asses, of course, and this would be the same outcome. Because these masters are shamed and lose face. It’s all about losing face.

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u/klkfahu 13d ago

National icon in the US. In China, he was never as highly regarded because he was so western.

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u/greenroom628 13d ago

National icon in the US

and Hong Kong. but not in China.

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u/--________---------- 13d ago

He also wasn't Chinese, and he was also hated for teaching dirty foreigners. He became an icon after he reached fame, and that was only in Hong Kong.

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u/GoinTier15 13d ago

Quarter German, and still considered Chinese, as he learned Wing Chun in Hong Kong from Wong Shun Leung/Yip Man.

Probably less hated for teaching foreigners (Other teachers already had foreign students at the time), and more likely for talking trash as a newcomer in SF Chinatown.

Sauce

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u/mud_tug 13d ago

If they respected tradition so much maybe they shouldn't have wiped it out during their 'cultural revolution'.

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u/Gaminggeko 13d ago

Bro I hate the Chinese government so much. You don't need to convince me they are bad.

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u/Other_Information_16 13d ago

It has nothing do with respect tradition . The CCP have been promoting national pride for years using kung-fu. They can’t afford to let people find out it’s all BS because the party’s reputation is caught up in it. Same thing with the church burning men who believed earth is not the center of the universe. No where in the bible does it say earth is the centre. That is a Greek idea but the church has been teaching it for so long they can’t admit they are wrong. If they are wrong on one thing people might start thinking wait a second what else are just lies that’s been feed to us.

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u/dopiertaj 13d ago

Which is pretty crazy considering that they actively sought out and killed martial arts masters during the Chinese Cultural Revolution in the 60s and 70s.

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u/mossadi 13d ago

What's funny is that if the universe is infinite we technically are in the center of it.

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u/AmuricanFootball 13d ago

same thing applies to their "traditional medicine" with harvesting endangered species for miniscule parts of the animal. How much atrocious shit retarding animals do the chinese perpetrate despite the wealth of knowledge that everything they're doing is ass backwards and doesn't fucking work.

And all of it is about virility.

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u/BrainPicker3 13d ago

It's about status. If something is rare, it costs more. If it costs more it must he better

Pretty silly but eh, billionaires here also do a bunch of useless vanity stuff

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u/AmuricanFootball 13d ago

yeah the "opulent" dishes with caviar, gold foil and all sorts of other expensive ingredients put on it just to bump the price up is so incredibly stupid.

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u/heechum 13d ago

Why don't they just run the numbers and realize virility isn't their problem?

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u/eaRONTER 13d ago

yes man you are right

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u/Batbuckleyourpants 14d ago edited 13d ago

The dude is awesome though. He went on to kick the ass of another Master with one hand literally behind his back, His right hand.

Wing Chun Kung Fu VS One Arm MMA Fighter

After this, the Chinese government then started pestering the kung fu masters as it was getting embarrassing, and they hilariously had them declare that they would no longer engage with other martial arts, because;

kung fu is simply too deadly to use against anyone not trained in kung fu.

Ultimately, despite anything the Chinese government tell you, Kung Fu is essentially an exhibition sport when compared to actual martial arts. The government wiped out the real Kung Fu during the cultural revolution.

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u/_heebie_jeebie 13d ago

I used to teach English as a second language in China and I asked who would win in a fight, a Kung Fu Master or an MMA fighter and all of them said the MMA fighter would win. I was genuinely surprised that this was the response I got.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants 13d ago

That is genuinely interesting. Did they talk about the reason for it?

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u/_heebie_jeebie 13d ago

I asked the same thing and they said “Kung Fu is just in the movies. MMA Fighters would kick their asses”. I was teaching adults btw.

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u/Sup_Soulx 13d ago

Adults..... makes a lot more sense.

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u/bennitori 13d ago

Remember everybody, hate the Chinese government, not the Chinese people. The people probably realize how much stuff is BS just like we do. But they don't want to say anything or else they'll end up like Xu Xiadon, Ai Wei Wei, Peng Shuai ect.

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u/BrainPicker3 13d ago

Moat of the people know and dont care about politics much cuz the average persons lifestyle has improved immensely over the last 50 years. I had a Chinese friend ask why the west is so obsessed with politicizing everything and I didnt have a good answer

She also said you can be critical of the gov, though if it becomes popular (like on social media) than they will crack down hard on you. I'd you complain during the taxi ride that would be seen as not abnormal

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u/facetiae_uvidae 13d ago

I had a Chinese friend ask why the west is so obsessed with politicizing everything and I didnt have a good answer

Everything is political, and realizing that is called politicizing by some.

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u/theetruscans 13d ago

That's what I was thinking as I read this. If you don't want to engage on politics them what you're actually saying that you want to engage in ignorance

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u/No-Dream7615 13d ago edited 13d ago

Right, the goal of any regime is to make it so people feel uncomfortable and that it is “too political” to criticize it.

The PRC is intensely political and trying to get its citizens to not think politically is at the heart of that project. The PRC’s social contract is obedience in exchange for continued growth.

The west sees this. It cares about it a lot because China is trying to undermine liberal states in its near abroad, maintain its illegal occupation of Tibet, and conquer more territory.

China’s internal politics matter bc it is a totalitarian state that has in the short term figured out how to avoid the internal contradictions that felled Nazi Germany and the USSR.

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u/bran0463 13d ago

The west sees this. It cares about it a lot because China is trying to undermine liberal states in its near abroad, maintain its illegal occupation of Tibet, and conquer more territory.

China’s internal politics matter bc it is a totalitarian state that has in the short term figured out how to avoid the internal contradictions that felled Nazi Germany and the USSR.

On point. Holy cow. Id give you an award if I did that

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u/CosmicCreeperz 13d ago

It’s interesting to see how the propaganda took a while to work. Most Chinese adults born before social media seem to be pretty practical about the CCP’s silliness (ie you don’t have to believe it, just don’t speak it out against it), but man the younger generation is getting pretty militant/nationalistic. The Internet and social media really provided the perfect platform for spreading propaganda.

Of course it’s not unique to China - just more extreme. In other countries there is more opportunity to see the truth, but not always the willingness.

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u/The-Phone1234 13d ago

Children model their personalities after role models and often the most successful people are also the most nationalistic, at least publically. Also not just a China thing.

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u/xTh3N00b 13d ago

isnt that another dude though?

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u/Bananus_Magnus 13d ago

It clearly is , I'm surprised no one else called it out.

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u/MarxistGayWitch_II 13d ago

It's a brand war where MMA is considered the foreign brand and Kung Fu the local brand. In China, you bet the gov't will do anything to protect the local brand and defame the foreign brand.

Kung Fu is arguably historic MMA that has been wiped out by Maoists.

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u/Shartsoftheallfather 13d ago

The thing that I find funny is that people keep talking about "MMA" as a style, or a particular discipline. When in reality, it is a general description for a type of competition where any style is allowed.

MMA just stands for Mixed Martial Arts. It's right there in the first word, "Mixed".

There is no set style, there are no katas. There is only what works, and what doesn't, and that differs from opponent to opponent. "MMA" is essentially just code for "effective hand-to-hand fighting, regardless of where the technique came from", and that is why it wins in these scenarios.

It is not a style. It is the very embodiment of style agnosticism.

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u/BussyForBreakfast 13d ago

In theory, that should be the case, but MMA is kinda creating its own "form" in the sense that there isn't much deviance from it.

I don't have an opinion on whether or not that "form" is strictly "better" than other defined styles, though.

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u/No_Choice_Is_Choice 13d ago

Modern Kung Fu is theatrics. The originals were tough as nails.

All form and no function.

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u/AlaskaSnowJade 13d ago

I heard that the CCP actively sought to dilute King Fu training from the beginning of its rise to power so that the population couldn’t effectively fight back; that the “Kung Fu” practiced widely now is truly for show, not fighting.

Seems like it worked. I wouldn’t judge the whole marital art by these “masters” and their abilities.

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u/Polar_Reflection 13d ago

They also promoted Wushu Sanda/Sanshou which is a rather effective martial art style focused on trips with several decent level UFC fighters being practitioners. Cung Le, Muslim Salikhov, and Zhang Weili probably being the biggest names

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u/D_crane 13d ago

kung fu is simply too deadly to use against anyone not trained in kung fu.

Funnily enough, this was similar to the line used by my sifu (teacher / master) about why we don't spar when I practiced a variation of Wing Chun ~ 10 years ago.

After that I went on to train in BJJ and learnt Krav Maga and realized that sifu was full of shit, it was almost useless in fights and may as well be considered as mediation.

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u/nimo01 14d ago

Sounds very familiar…. In a lot of aspects

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u/ghostbirdd 13d ago

There is a political interest behind the whole fake martial arts masters thing, IIRC; this guy unmasking them was seen as anti-patriotic and he was dealt a significant amount of social and legal backlash because of it.

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u/TheRealRickC137 13d ago

Hmm... Where have we heard that before?

It's almost a perfect analogy for almost everything in modern culture. Religion. Politics.

"There's a better way"

"No! Old ways are better"

"Let me prove it to you"

"You're ruining the country! LA LA LA LA LA!!!"

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u/CheeezBlue 14d ago

Damage the fantasy of superior fighting technique = life ruined social credit score -1000000

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u/asian_identifier 13d ago

He actually can't take plane/train anywhere anymore, so he had to drive around to fight

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u/DonnerPrinz 13d ago

I think I watched another video on this guy and it's insane. He's done this several times with people who claim outlandish powers and he wins every single time. Yet his country has totally betrayed him and everyone seems to hate him because they think he's cheating / disrespecting Chinese culture. He's honestly a hero. He calls these "masters" out on their shit and knows how to back it up despite his countrymen turning their backs on him.

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u/doctorcrimson 13d ago

He isn't even allowed to post his videos, he has to send the videos abroad to be posted.

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u/RiversKiski 13d ago

Funny how China in one hand takes full credit for inventing modern MMA, but in the other completely disregards its superiority to traditional Chinese kung fu.

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u/waelgifru 13d ago

Congratulations, you have described the paradox of the Modern Chinese psyche. They demand to be master's of the past and the future, even when mastering the future proves the past inferior.

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u/Gaetoki 13d ago

They take credit for inventing everything. Haha. =\

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u/rey_lumen 13d ago

Except covid. Haha

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u/QuestionableGarlic 13d ago

Does China really try to take credit for inventing modern MMA? Because that is absolutely ridiculous

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 11d ago

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u/Seereey 13d ago

Yep, found his youtube channel, but it's entirely in Mandarin, it's translated as:

Brother Dong's Hot Takes

He manages to post a video almost every other day despite the hardships he's dealing with.

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u/YiNengForX 13d ago

In fact there are still a lot of people support him, they just can't speak out because the censorship. Xu Xiaodong has been silenced in Chinese internet. And you can't search any information about him in Chinese internet. Really sad

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u/Comment63 13d ago

The CCP's primary victim is Chinese people.

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u/XsvAdvanced 13d ago

Reminds me of when Steven Seagal got called out for being a fake a few years back. When he got into the ring with a real fighter they sparred and he just kinda moved around like he knew what he was doing but he didn’t lmao. He got absolutely destroyed too. Dude doesn’t know how to fight he’s an “ACTOR”.

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u/crackedgear 13d ago

I will pay you a billion dollars if you provide a link to a video of this.

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u/XsvAdvanced 13d ago edited 13d ago

Dude go look up all the stories about how he never showed when people called him out. Buncha people did stories on how he’s a fake and only an actor.

here’s a story exposing him

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u/wataf 13d ago

Is this the video you're thinking of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbSCEhmjJA

Note: It's not specifically about Xu Xiadong but fake martial arts in general, it does cover his story though. Def a great video that's worth a watch.

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u/JustSomeBadAdvice 13d ago

Incredible video, thanks for sharing that!

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u/raerumon 13d ago

I see Eyepatch Wolf, I upvote

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u/BiggerFrenchie 13d ago

Thank you for sharing this video. The part about his social score being so low that he couldn’t take air flight was the most telling part of the Chinese government.

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u/bananameltdown 13d ago

Last I heard he's unable to buy plane or train tickets. It's such a small shift for the narrative to be about upholding local culture by calling out scammers, rather than it being said he's attacking Chinese culture.

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u/Lookingforsam 13d ago edited 13d ago

I mean, the CCP has the same values as these "masters" do. Everything is for the image, don't question me, and if you expose me you will be publically shunned and severely punished for telling the truth!

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u/Cascadianheathen1 13d ago

What’s sad is that he didn’t even use any weird techniques to bet the shit outta that guy. Just some very rudimentary combos.

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u/Taek42 13d ago edited 13d ago

When I was training, master used to say "70% of takedowns use techinque we tech you as a white belt".

The difference between a novice and a master is not the complexity of the technique, but the effectiveness of the execution. You put a master, a black belt (that's below master) and a white belt side by side and have them each punch a paddle one time, even the untrained eye will immediately know who is who.

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u/space_parapluie 13d ago

The difference between a novice and a master is not the complexity of the technique, but the effectiveness of the execution.

This is so true across so many fields of study. Cooking and baking come to mind, also the arts (music, drawing, painting, etc.) and athletic activities.

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u/_Dague_ 13d ago

He even said he isn't even a great MMA fighter. He just wanted to expose all these ancient fighting styles for being ridiculous.

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u/simplydifferentbro 13d ago

He's not exposing "ancient fighting styles", he's exposing "masters" that claim to do things like being able to project a forcefield, or having healing hands and stuff like that

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u/Aoae 13d ago

This is one of the people (Chen Xiaowang) who Xu called a fraud:

Chen created two condensed forms of the laojia and xinjia forms; a 38-posture form and a 19-posture form (Shi Jiu Shi – 十九式). He told inside Kung-Fu Magazine in 1991, "I have tried to do away with all the repetitions and simplify the exceedingly difficult moves without destroying the characteristics of Chen Style Taijiquan, with special emphasis to attack/defense and the chansi technique."

How ridiculous is a martial arts form with 38 postures? Anyways, for his accusations, Xu had to pay Chen about $60k USD on the order of a Chinese court.

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u/Gotexas1972 14d ago

Ok, I’ll say it…his Kung Fu was weak.

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u/CephaloG0D 13d ago

My boy's Face-to-Fist style needs some work.

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u/flatvinnie 13d ago edited 13d ago

We trained him wrong, as a joke

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u/L3XAN 13d ago

I am bleeding, making ME the victor!

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u/securitywyrm 13d ago

The acutal quote: https://youtu.be/d696t3yALAY?t=40

"We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke."

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u/the_blackfish 13d ago

wee uuu wee uuu

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u/sp4nishfl34 13d ago

On some planet I'm sure your style is very effective... But your weak link is.. this is Earth.

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u/theQuandary 13d ago

It's also something when your opponent has you by 50 pounds and 4-6 inches of reach.

Even if they were both equally skilled, that much of a difference in size is extremely hard to overcome.

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u/bender_isgreat1969 13d ago

These "masters" claim they can defeat any foe, and any number of them, making videos in their cult compounds... i mean kung fu academies, of them using their "kung fu" to effortlessly topple a dozen men, and the cult membe... students ham it up big time to acting like they were seriously injured by a single finger, the whole thing is laughable, i would say xi is a damn hero for exposing these hucksters.

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u/FuqqTrump 13d ago

That's what Xi said!

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u/Reddituser45005 14d ago

Mike Tyson said everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Bruce Lee said “Boards don’t hit back” . Ultimately your ability to take a hit is as important as your ability to hit. There is a beauty and fluidity to martial art movements but if you’re not actually training to fight, it’s just dancing.

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u/mediumokra 14d ago

Any real martial arts that have an intent related to fighting must have a lot of sparring. You can learn hundreds of forms and moves and stances and strikes...... but if you don't spar with others and learn how to put these things into practice and into muscle memory, then they're useless in a fight.

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u/D_crane 13d ago

I used to practice a variation of Wing Chun called Bak Mei ~ 10 years, the sifu used to say we don't spar because the moves are too deadly. We wasted many hours practicing forms and stances.

I went on to train in BJJ and Krav Maga afterwards and realized that sifu was full of shit. Sparring is the only way you learn and overcome mistakes you're making.

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u/Dashbot13 13d ago

Well, I mean technically Bak Mei is really dangerous if you're doing what you're taught to people (eyes gouges aren't something you should be encouraging people to do in a martial arts club really), but like any martial art you can practice forms for years and still get your ass handed to you in a fight by someone who hasn't studied anything and just fights a lot. There's nothing specific to Chinese martial arts about it (although it's true that many Chinese martial arts are taught this way), it's about what your school teaches. I was in a Bak Mei club in Ontario as a teenager, and while the sifu wouldn't let us spar until we were 18 the older guys in the club used to go up to Toronto and beat down on other clubs routinely because they sparred every class in addition to doing their forms and stances and those guys were tough as fuck.

No martial art is going to be particularly effective if you don't practice sparring, doesn't matter what the martial art is.

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u/morron88 13d ago

Huh, a real anecdote on some good old-fashioned dojo storming.

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u/Dashbot13 13d ago

Lol I used to think they were so cool when they came back with their videos of the fights, going in and pushing people around. Now as an adult all I can think is how juvenile it all was. Like, "my Kung Fu is better than yours, my style is superior". Nah, your club just spars more often and you train harder than the other guy.

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u/flippedbit0010 13d ago

Like real life Kobra Kai!! I know, I know, the story is about kung fu and not karate, but your story really made it sound kung fun!

I’ll see myself out.

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u/sirwillups 13d ago

I was taught that you learned karate by wiping things on and off of various surfaces.

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u/HoosDare 13d ago

Wax, paint, etc. You have to have an old war veteran to tell you though. Its not effective if you just do it on your own.

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u/NameLikeAn 13d ago

Bruce Lee said something like: Don’t fear the man who learned 10,000 kicks, fear the man who practiced 1 kick 10,000 times.

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u/Trextoasty 13d ago

I remember when I changed jujitsu classes as a kid and went from a bunch of 12 year olds lightly tapping each other when sparring to a 35 year old man that took his blackbelt a little too seriously punching me very hard in the face because he can't beat his girlfriend anymore with that restraining order in place.

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u/throwawayodd33 13d ago

I have very clear memories of a guy in his 30s hitting me full force in the face while we were rolling. I was 12.

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u/LDdesign 13d ago

Was his name Cosmo Kramer by chance?

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u/xmuskorx 13d ago

I always loved it that Mike Tyson and famous 19th century German General Von Moltke arrived at the same maxim just phrased differently:

"No plan survives the first contact with the main enemy force."

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u/De5perad0 14d ago

So many martial arts forget the conditioning part of it. conditioning your body to take a hit and conditioning your mind to be ok with it.

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u/TheNoxx 13d ago

Yep. I've heard of many, many times of someone getting into a fight thinking they can handle themselves because of 5 years of "training" at a McDojo; they get punched in the face and suddenly it's like watching someone trying to swim for the first time.

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u/De5perad0 13d ago

Yep. Taking a hard blow to the head is going to affect just about anyone. Learning to protect your head and being in enough sparring matches where you are actually hitting each other will remedy that. I've had my Bell rung and it's better to avoid it.

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u/FO_Steven 13d ago

Every place I went to trained us to fight. I even studied at ussd/ z ultimate for a while, and I was fortunate enough to have a sensei to make sure we understood what real world fighting was like and what we could apply to a street fight.

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u/BreastMilkPopsicles 13d ago edited 13d ago

This.

Any martial art that doesn't have full contact sparring is dancing, just like you said. Make belief.

Sorry for the echo but I've watched so many joke "marital arts" where the participants have never actually fought anyone try to claim that their training is effective and it just makes me angry.

Sure it might be effective in making you feel better, more fit and engaged but they're useless in actual combat.

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u/hysys_whisperer 13d ago

If you ask most of those no contact martial arts teachers what to do if someone approaches you in a dark alley. They'll tell you to punch them in the throat as soon as they get close enough (making you the aggressor), and then run like hell so as to not have to answer for any legal ramifications.

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u/Concert_Great 13d ago

I thought every martial arts teacher would tell you to run since everything is pointless if the guy has a gun or knife

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u/dos8s 13d ago

I don't think striking someone first always makes you the aggressor in the eyes of the law, but I see your point.

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u/GDDNEW 13d ago

I guess I got lucky. My Taekwondo master told us that if a kid on the playground trying to hurt you, you should still run and get in front of a teacher. Later we did a lot of self defence with knives, guns, and with someone trying to take you and if you were able to run away from your partner, it was still a point.

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u/mentholmoose77 13d ago

The truth and loss of face aren't compatible in China.

A universal right, imo is that frauds should be exposed.

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u/BiomechAnima 14d ago

Poor guy got censored for exposing lies..

Typical.

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u/colonelmaize 13d ago

Yep. The Chinese government is very pro kung fu. To them it's an attack on Chinese heritage and culture. He received a lot of hate, death threats and was kicked out of his gym and struggled financially because of his exposure of fake or so-called powerful Kung Fu.

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u/ParadiseWar 13d ago

It's soft power for CCP

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u/Nolzi 13d ago

China has this mentality about fighting against the hundred years of shame, which cummilates in acting like a Karen agains any critism against their country or culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

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u/WikiSummarizerBot 13d ago

Century of humiliation

The century of humiliation, also known as the hundred years of national humiliation, is the term used in China to describe the period of intervention and subjugation of the Qing dynasty and the Republic of China by Western powers and Japan from 1839 to 1949. The term arose in 1915, in the atmosphere of rising Chinese nationalism opposing the Twenty-One Demands made by the Japanese government and their acceptance by Yuan Shikai, with the Kuomintang (Chinese Nationalist Party) and Chinese Communist Party both subsequently popularizing the characterization.

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u/Morgwar77 14d ago edited 13d ago

This is exactly what Bruce Lee did and was trying to prove. Too much ceremony too much art. Same reaction from the "masters" They'll probably kill this guy too.

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u/Trextoasty 13d ago

It was a weird time of Bruce Lee showing that kung fu was bollocks while also making kung fu popular.

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u/Josh18293 13d ago edited 13d ago

His whole message was take what is useful and discard what isn't. He was trained by a Wing Chun Kung Fu master so that he could adapt this art to his own goals: forming a mixed martial art that could be elegant and effective. He mixed kung fu with western boxing, wrestling, and grappling to form Jeet Kune Do. Many say he was the first mixed martial artist.

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u/BrainPicker3 13d ago

I get the sentiment tho miyamoto musashi wrote about learning multiple styles and incorporating them yourself in the book of five rings long before that. He even had the daoist "be like water" quote

I know the boxer jack Dempsey learned grappling in the early 1930s

Bruce lee was skilled though I think his main thing is being popular and then drawing attention to that way of thinking

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u/the_pedigree 13d ago

Jeet kune do was supposed to be different

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u/iprobablyneedahobby 13d ago

It was different. It was MMA 20 or 30 years before MMA was a thing. He was borrowing from boxing, wrestling and other martial arts when everyone else just stuck to their narrow disciplines

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u/breakofwater 13d ago

I'm not sure if you know about Benny the Jett but he was a very dominant kick-boxer that knew 9 different styles. This was RIGHT before MMA became a thing too.

Even in the west, the idea of mixing stuff up wasn't that big and he went on to just completely dominate everybody. I just wanted to point that this narrow view on fighting styles wasn't just in Asia.

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u/TheRealMoofoo 13d ago

They probably won't feel the need to do anything else to him, given that his life is fucked from the CCP tanking his social score over this. The dude isn't even allowed to take the train.

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u/ThatMadFlow 13d ago

Wait they went and did that black mirror episode?

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u/lordredapple 13d ago

what's a social score?

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u/snafe_ 13d ago

Id do an injustice trying to explain it so here's the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

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u/WikiSummarizerBot 13d ago

Social Credit System

The Social Credit System (Chinese: 社会信用体系; pinyin: shèhuì xìnyòng tǐxì) is a national credit rating and blacklist being developed by the government of the People's Republic of China. The program initiated regional trials in 2009, before launching a national pilot with eight credit scoring firms in 2014. It was first introduced formally by then Chinese Premier, Wen Jiabao, on October 20, 2011, during one of the State Council Meetings.

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u/soylentblueispeople 13d ago

I cat find anything on him from after late 2020. Nothing from 2021. Wonder what he's up to.

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u/Jbeansss 13d ago

Well yeah, he was banned on every platformm he could use to speak out. Alive or not it's highly unlikely you'll find anything about him.

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u/JackTheHonestLiar 13d ago

Nah, the guy has a youtube channel where someone helps him upload quite frequently.

https://youtube.com/c/%E5%BE%90%E6%99%93%E5%86%AC%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E6%A0%BC%E6%96%97%E7%8B%82%E4%BA%BA

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u/Jbeansss 13d ago

Good for him!

How did the guy i replied to miss a whole ass youtube channel though.

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u/-Pin_Cushion- 13d ago

Probably bc that channel is in Chinese

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u/JackTheHonestLiar 13d ago

To be fair to the guy, its pretty hard to look him up unless you know his chinese name.

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u/Iskariot- 13d ago

Are you saying Bruce Lee was killed for his beliefs?

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 13d ago

“Attacked traditional Chinese culture” such hypocritical bs from the ccp.

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u/Blackmail30000 13d ago

Yep, he attacked Chinese culture. He absolutely kicked its ass.

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u/itwontdie 13d ago

If I really believed in traditional Chinese culture I would want the fakes to be called out. If anything the fakes are the ones ruining the culture.

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u/x-cold-x 13d ago

-100 social credits

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u/IAMTHEUSER 13d ago

"Xu was sued in 2019 for calling tai chi "grandmaster" Chen Xiaowang a fraud, and the Chinese court ordered him to pay Chen approximately US$60,000 in damages and to apologize for seven consecutive days on social media. Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets.[16][17] The restrictions were lifted after he paid US$40,000 in both legal fees and the cost of placing the apology."

"In May 2019, Xu defeated another martial artist; but was only able to do so wearing clown makeup to hide his face and by fighting under a pseudonym. It took him 36 hours to reach the fight location due to his low social credit score, and Chinese search engines reportedly had stopped listing him."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Xiaodong

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u/usernameblankface 13d ago

Turns out Black Mirror is an accurate commentary.

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u/AnActualPlatypus 13d ago

It took him 36 hours to reach the fight location due to his low social credit score

Fuck that entire country.

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u/kid-karma 13d ago

fucking moronic

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u/Mississauga49 13d ago

Seems to me like he was preserving Chinese culture. Getting rid of the bullshitters.

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u/pattydickens 14d ago

This looked like a guy with a broadsword in a fencing competition.

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u/Damasticator 13d ago

Like the last duel in “Rob Roy.”

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u/3jack6the9ripper 13d ago

Has that dude been freed from the government's grasp?

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u/myuez 13d ago

His YouTube channel is still out and he's still uploading video so I think he's fine...at least

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u/Revolutionary-Ad7878 13d ago

im going to leave a comment here, just cuz I really wanna know if this dude is alright :(

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u/ReCodez 13d ago

As much as we'd all like a happy ending, this is the CCP.

His social credit score is so low he can't even take the train anywhere. His life is ruined and his finance is gone, I think he said even his family has abandoned him.

Don't think he can even escape to anywhere else either. Especially during these time.

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u/SubtlyChallenged 13d ago

This. He recently tried to get visa to visit Korea for a fight and he was denied.

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u/3jack6the9ripper 13d ago

Fuck, can't we help?

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u/Stunfield 13d ago

I believe that even if we did a fund raising, the ccp would make very hard for him to receive the money.

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u/squidnasty23 13d ago

So he's a walking dead man

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u/Dominariatrix 13d ago

This mini documentary touches on him and other people who expose this bs, it's worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA

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u/Available_Chonkus 14d ago

They tried to use the social credit system to kill him for it too

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u/SubtlyChallenged 13d ago

Not just him. They don't let his kids go to good schools and don't let him n his family leave China.

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u/michaelloda9 13d ago

I hate the CCP so much, when will they fall…

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u/suxatjugg 13d ago

They've become powerful and independent such that noone can take down China really. As with the US, we'll have to wait a century or two for them to take themselves apart from within

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u/SpiderManGuard 13d ago

They’re more likely to take over your government and make you praise China or take a lashing than fail

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u/SteakSanga 13d ago

When we stop giving them money

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u/ogrelord123 14d ago

His social credit score its probably worse than the Japanese debt

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u/GenosHK 13d ago

Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets. The restrictions were lifted after he paid US$40,000 in both legal fees and the cost of placing the apology.

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u/MyNameIsZaxer2 13d ago

Said friend could meet the same fate. He would be ostracized among everything else.

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u/Hagdogrobinwood 13d ago

It just looks like he is fighting an old man.

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u/Sengura 13d ago

Lol, so aren't they admitting "foreign forces" are superior to Chinese by saying that?

"bruh this guy came in here with his foreign strength and fucked our kung fu up, get him!"

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u/MuadLib 13d ago

Every hate group's rethoric gives superpowers to the hated group in order to foster resentment.

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u/Reveillark139 14d ago

I think part of the issue is that a kung fu “master” doesnt imply they can beat anyone in a fight. It just means they are good at kung fu. Anyone with an expertise in mixed martial arts should be able to beat someone who is only good at kung fu

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u/Radiant-Spren 13d ago

He purposely went after the guys who claimed to be unstoppable fighting machines and used cultish acolytes as punching and throwing bags to make themselves look more legit. Grifters, as another commenter said.

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u/Twistinc 13d ago

You're right but the master's in China 100% believe they can destroy anyone even though it's all fluff. The full video goes over it it's really interesting and sad.

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u/Cabana_bananza 13d ago

I think some of these kung fu "masters" are less martial artists, more grifters. Kind of how you have cultish followings of some Indian gurus and yogis. They aren't running real kung fu schools, they run a grift.

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u/MilaAzulOfficial 13d ago

he obviously agreed to fight. Don’t step in the kitchen if you don’t wanna get burned

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u/AtLeastNineToes 13d ago

u/asianj1m No, he does it to Tai Chi masters, not Kung Fu

And his name is spelled Xu Xiaodong

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u/daxgraphics 13d ago edited 13d ago

All the real practicing kung fu masters left China after the communist revolution then either died out or were killed. All that is left are stories. The only "Kung Fu" in China is various forms of WuShu, which is basically Kung Fu dancing. There hasn't been a true Kung Fu Master capable of physical violence in China since the 60's. Even the "Shaolin" monks in China are not allowed to practice their true kung fu. They just get to show off fears of strength. There is no true martial intent anymore, though it looks good on camera.

My old sifu (a surviving monk) had told us that the one thing that can beat a true martial artist is a true artist in the skill of boxing. The boxers are "rooted" like a tree. It makes them deadly. This MMA fighter was correct and had balls of steel for proving it in the former home country of martial arts.

EDIT: Thanks for the award. My first one. Also. I don't think kung fu is dead by ANY means. I just don't think real kung fu is in CHINA anymore. I think it's everywhere BUT China.

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u/currybutts 13d ago

So is the original, true Kung Fu just lost to history? Is there no way to revive and spread it?

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u/mud_tug 13d ago

You should read about the cultural revolution. They lost their entire culture wholesale. China has been a zombie state ever since.

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u/OmgitsNatalie 13d ago

Taiwan is a country.

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u/kingSliver187 13d ago

That poor guy got destroyed by the government for exposing frauds

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u/theitgrunt 13d ago

Nationalism is a heck of a drug.

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u/SamuelBrady 13d ago

He’s lucky he hasn’t disappeared.

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u/Ifch317 13d ago

A story I read about the Japanese 15th century Buddhist monk Ikkyū who was a bit of a heretic. Ikkyū made a nuisance of himself outside one of the most influential temples waving a wooden sword. When questioned, he pointed out that a wooden sword looks like a real sword when cloaked in the shadows of a temple, but is an obvious fake to anyone that sees it in daylight. So it is with the Buddhism of the leaders within the temple as well. He was not afraid to point out the short comings of his contemporaries.

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u/AngryMillenialGuy 13d ago edited 13d ago

Most of these ancient eastern martial arts are basically cultural/spiritual hobbies. Or purely for sport (karate). They aren't actually martial in nature. They aren't practical for combat. MMA is effective in combat because it doesn't care about tradition. It's all about incorporating effective techniques for winning fights.

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