r/OldSchoolCool Dec 08 '21 Wholesome 3 Silver 5 Helpful 3

New York Subway, 1986

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u/Fuman20000 Dec 08 '21

Those leather jackets were something else.

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u/garrettj100 Dec 08 '21

Guys look like they should be chasing Santa around Central Park.

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u/BALONYPONY Dec 08 '21

They had much bigger problems in the late 80's than a man breaking into houses and leaving presents. NYC was fucking WILD back then.

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u/MadlockFreak Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Basically everywhere was. Boston's Chinatown earned the nickname Combat Zone. That and Murderpan

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u/BALONYPONY Dec 08 '21

Oh god. I visited Southie in the early 90's and holy mother of god. It got so much worse and now it's trendy? At least the last time I was there a few years ago.

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u/BigPooooopinn Dec 08 '21

If trendy is your way of saying, popular with new generation, then yes. Southie is the new cool area for rich kids going to NorthEastern. Same as LES in NYC becoming a centre for progressive youth going to school and working.

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u/BALONYPONY Dec 08 '21

So I wasn't there very long but it had a very different feel than when I was there as a kid. I'm not trying to slap a gentrification label on a neighborhood I know next to nothing about so forgive my ignorance if that is what is coming across.

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u/BigPooooopinn Dec 08 '21

Dude don’t sweat it, my feelings aren’t hurt. They definitely gentrified, I literally met a co-worker of mine who lives in the area. Knowing it’s last history I asked what it was like, and the resounding answer I got is that it’s “nice” now. Which is rich person speak for, all the poor people got bought out and live in the shittier towns right outside of Boston. Gentrification has its ups and downs. But to be honest, I liked when my cities were filled with people who were from the city. Now we got rich assholes from their daddies trust fund buying up property in dangerous neighborhoods because it’s cool and they can buy enough to make it safe.

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u/CGY-SS Dec 08 '21

.....so that's why that raider area in Fallout 4 is called the Combat Zone....

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u/seanmick Dec 08 '21

Yep. "The Zone" was also home to strip clubs and jerk off booths. That in the game?

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u/SadTomato22 Dec 08 '21

I'm sure there's a mod for it.

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u/LittlestEcho Dec 08 '21

There a city near me that has a whole area blacklisted and called "LITTLE SAIGON". it's so rough in there no one delivers and no one is able to call for a ride. Rumor has it even the police won't go in there if they can avoid it

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u/klem_kadiddlehopper Dec 08 '21

There is an area in Kissimmee, Florida that isn't called 'Little Saigon' but it's dangerous. Ambulances won't even go in there and several years ago two police officers were gunned down there. They had gone in to the area because a woman called 911 saying she 'thought' she saw someone doing something suspicious. Turns out it was nothing. A crazy dude came out of nowhere and killed the officers.

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u/ShapeShiftingCats Dec 08 '21

What is going on there? Drugs? Or?

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u/sebaz Dec 08 '21

It sounds like they're shrinking entire cities

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u/Lifeisdamning Dec 08 '21

Some James Bond shit

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u/LittlestEcho Dec 08 '21

Drugs. Shootings. Assaults, murder, robberies, muggings etc. Pretty much every horrible thing you can think of it happens there with startling regularity. One of my old coworkers needed me to take him home once and he made me leave him at a strip mall half a mile from his house because he lived in little Saigon and wanted me no where near it. If i had gone even 1 street over from the mall I'd have been right in the middle of it.

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u/ancientflowers Dec 08 '21

That's when Minneapolis was nicknamed Murder-apolis.

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u/Absolute_Crab_Man Dec 08 '21

This one is sarcasm, right?

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u/and_dont_blink Dec 08 '21

People don't realize where things had gotten, you had kids stabbing people with screwdrivers on the subway being gunned down. The derided programs in NYC like stop-and-frisk and broken-window-policing and Clinton pushing the crime bill were a reaction to people being completely fed up and scared and politicians feeling they were going to get voted out. We are likely at or approaching another pendulum swing in many of these areas again, I know in Chicago the blue line is practically off limits after 9pm and before then it isn't exactly safe, just a little safer in numbers. You're still good if you're in one the wealthy northern areas telecommuting though.

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u/robertm0510 Dec 08 '21

Atlanta had little Vietnam, east lake meadows! They now play the PGA championship there haha how things change in 35 years!

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u/cheebamech Dec 08 '21

I kept hanging around Hells' Kitchen and Alphabet City and I don't remember why

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u/pl34pl56 Dec 08 '21

As a fellow old person, the disorder of the crack era was off the charts. The 60s reforms of various laws created the dystopia of the 70s and 80s. Then it swung back and we started enforcing the laws again. Things got nicer.

Since Ferguson and acceleration since May 2020 we have given up on enforcing the laws again. This is what happens.

Early 1960s sees the Breakfast at Tiffany's New York. 1970s manifests Taxi Driver New York.

Thus, knowing this history, we are presented with a choice.

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u/energetic-dad Dec 08 '21

Thanks leaded gasoline

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u/ScionoicS Dec 08 '21

That's the central park rangers. They're on the naughty list

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u/Realsan Dec 08 '21

Based on the whip in the left guy's arm, they might be on their way.

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u/Aftermath52 Dec 08 '21

That’s a baton. Modern batons look like Japanese tonfa but the old ones were basically blackjacks

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u/ontopofyourmom Dec 08 '21

The batons most police carry every day are lightweight and collapsible. You know this.

A blackjack is a device designed to give people concussions. It is not at all the same thing as a billy club or straight baton, but I am sure that some cops carried them in addition to their official weapons.

The PR-24 side-handle tonfa-inspired baton was released in 1974 and was immediately popular. The NYPD back then didn't have a lot of money to buy them for tens of thousands of cops probably saw no need to replace the clubs they had.

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u/Lip_Recon Dec 08 '21

They could also be heading to The Blue Oyster.

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u/iixmaj Dec 08 '21

Anybody know if you can buy them online ?

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u/elsparkodiablo Dec 08 '21

Supposedly they were made by an outfit called Miklos Sas back from the 60s-80s. Schott NYC also made them under the #604 but stopped decades ago

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u/JHCain Dec 08 '21

I have a Schott leather jacket- not that model, but it is nice. Recommended. Went to NYC to get it, and it was a great day.

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u/MajorTom11 Dec 08 '21

I have a Shott as well! Easily my favorite article of clothing and well worth the investment.

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Dec 08 '21

Are they real leather cause holy $hit that would be insane to outfit the whole department in real leather jackets.

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u/elsparkodiablo Dec 08 '21

Not just leather, but HORSEHIDE, which is much tougher than your usual leather jacket. Of course back then things were just done differently.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Dec 08 '21

If you want crazy leather... I had the opportunity to try on an official NYC leather motorcycle jacket. It's long and weighs like 50 pounds. It's incredibly heavy and dense. It's literally armor, I guess that's the point.

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u/klem_kadiddlehopper Dec 08 '21

My brother's widow still has my brother's leather bike jacket hanging in a closet. It's exactly the way you described the heavy jacket. I tried it on once but it was too big for me but man is it heavy. Like you said it felt like 50 pounds.

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u/ontopofyourmom Dec 08 '21

Schott is still around and Langlitz in Portland makes very similar jackets of the same or perhaps even better quality (and yes I know how high that bar is).

$$$ - but nothing else looks like a jacket made of real thick leather. Material costs are probably around $200, they are laboriously made by hand, and they are rare items that can command a large markup.

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u/assertivelyconfused Dec 08 '21

the moustaches too

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u/OG-Bluntman Dec 08 '21

I think it was part of the police dress code in the 80’s

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u/LouSleaves Dec 08 '21

Otherwise known as "pornstaches."

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I remember those days when the trains were bombed with graffiti and the cops carried .38 caliber revolvers with the brown batons.

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u/federvieh1349 Dec 08 '21

That's a lot of revolvers.

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u/Jojje22 Dec 08 '21

It was NY in the 80's, better come prepared.

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u/Orngog Dec 08 '21

It's a typo, they actually carried .38 revolvers.

Which I guess is not even one each?

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u/masterelmo Dec 08 '21

It took an average of 3 officers to come up with one complete revolver.

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u/jumpsteadeh Dec 08 '21

That's why it's called the New York reload

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u/innesleroux Dec 08 '21

Just the Village People on their way to the next gig..

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u/jeandolly Dec 08 '21

Ah right, cops, I thought they were leather boys...

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u/LemonPartyOfOne Dec 08 '21

Not mutually exclusive things....

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u/LivingLikeBender Dec 08 '21

Does it say "Leather Daddy?"

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u/ronerychiver Dec 08 '21

“Looks like someone’s about to have committed a crime here” chews gum loudly

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u/TheDriestOne Dec 08 '21

I just recently discovered them! What song are you referencing here?

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u/redfoot62 Dec 08 '21

It's funny how the one looking away is probably the closest one to losing it.

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u/Commercial_Light_743 Dec 08 '21

Reminds me of a Ramones album cover.

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u/Cobrarattlesnake Dec 08 '21

Sure does. Subterranean Jungle.

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u/KhunDavid Dec 08 '21

The Ramones were from Queens. I’m sure they had lots of inspiration.

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u/W2wineguy Dec 08 '21

gritty...and cheesy porn 'staches!

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u/darehitori Dec 08 '21

Here in Germany that moustache is sometimes called "Pornobalken" (porn bar), referring to censor bars in pornographic images.

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u/Lady_Nimbus Dec 08 '21

We call them pornstaches in America because we associate then with 70s and 80s porns, so same.

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u/eccedrbloor Dec 08 '21

Right? Woman in front is wondering if they're cops or a couple of buxom blondes are going to get on at the next station and get the action going.

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u/O-hmmm Dec 08 '21

So you've seen 70's porn,huh.

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u/eccedrbloor Dec 08 '21

"Marcia Rides the Lexington Express" is a classic.

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u/bearatrooper Dec 08 '21

Mustaches were standard issue in the 70's and 80's.

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u/PedanticSatiation Dec 08 '21

Those moustaches are era-appropriate.

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u/Flintoid Dec 08 '21

I wonder when and why the graffiti finally stopped being a thing

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u/efronerberger Dec 08 '21

They changed the outer surface to some sort of non-stick metal stuff years ago. There's still graffiti inside today lol

-NYer

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u/itb206 Dec 08 '21

Depends on the line I guess? I never really see it inside these days. -Also NYer

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u/thunder185 Dec 08 '21

Looks like the 4/5

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u/themagpie36 Dec 08 '21

I think it's the angle, the other 1/5 is behind the photographer.

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u/goddammnick Dec 08 '21

thats what I tell the ladies.

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u/Elharley Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Native NYer. Rode the subway through the 80s to high school and still ride it daily. Graffiti on the trains was either inside or outside. The difference from the 80s to now is huge. There is very little graffiti inside trains these days. Increased police and making access to train yards and lay ups more difficult stopped a lot of graffiti writers. Even scratching into window and door glass has been basically eliminated by a coating applied to the glass. Outside graffiti has also all but been eliminated. The MTA will take a train out of service to clean it. And the same more difficult access to the lay ups and yards has made it less accessible. Most of the outside graffiti on the trains these days is from tourists visiting the city and making a pilgrimage to the NY subway to say they got to write at the place where subway graffiti got started. And where many originators of the art first got up. NY also required stores to lock down spray paint and large markers in an effort to stop graffiti.

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u/Archelon_ischyros Dec 08 '21

Graffiti on the trains was either inside or outside

Is there a third choice?

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u/JunnySycle Dec 08 '21 Take My Energy

Yes, on the bottom. Thousands have died trying to lay on the tracks in attempt to graffiti this elusive and difficult side

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u/dan_de Dec 08 '21

That is only seen by another taking such a risk

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u/Jojje22 Dec 08 '21

Made by people keeping it real, for people keeping it real.

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u/diosmuerteborracho Dec 08 '21

Get up on the third rail

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u/_WhataNick2_ Dec 08 '21

A third and a forth actually, the roof and undercarriage. .

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u/Belazriel Dec 08 '21

Well, there's the upside and the downside.

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u/sharkinaround Dec 08 '21

nothing like the inside seen here.

-non NYer

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u/Gemmabeta Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

In 1984, New York Transit adopted the Broken Window Theory of Crime (be very very tough on petty crime like graffitiing, fare jumping and such, and aggressively clean up signs of urban decay--i.e. graffiti--to prevent the subway from becoming a place that people visibly associate with criminality, which would encourage worse crimes to happen there).

Rudy Giuliani later put it in practice in all of New York City in 1993.

How much actual crime the policy reduced was kind of disputable as there was a massive decrease in crime across all of America in the late 80s and 90s, even in cities where the police and municipal government did nothing special.

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u/zoobrix Dec 08 '21

The broken window theory isn't always about cracking down on crime it's also about not letting things look like shit essentially.and the idea if it does it encourages people not to care because things are already bad so who cares if I make it worse. A big part of the broken window theory in NYC in the 90's was tearing down abandoned buildings because those make a neighborhood look bad and give criminals an easy place to operate from.

Not defending the part where they are overly harsh in dealing with petty crime as those offences are often linked to people experiencing poverty but the idea that if a place looks nicer people are more likely to have pride in it and take care of it makes a lot of sense to me.

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u/cthulhuhentai Dec 08 '21

Yes. For me, the broken window argument should always be centered around investing and maintaining in our communities rather than any type of punitive action.

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u/EdgyTeenager69420 Dec 08 '21

For sure, the paper that initially developed the Broken Windows approach recommended community-based policing – local cops walking local beats – in order to give residents a stake in their own security. I wouldn’t say the current NYPD resembles this in any form.

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u/DarthSmegma421 Dec 08 '21

Makes sense to me. I think I'm relatively tidy, but when I go to Japan and see the streets/sidewalks are absolutely spotless, I am extra mindful to not mess it up. Don't even mind holding onto my trash despite how hard it is to find a garbage can there.

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Dec 08 '21

Even on a smaller scale, just think of when you walk into any public restroom. Clean and tidy restrooms provoke (most) people to keep it clean and tidy, but if there is already filth and discarded paper towels everywhere, are you really going to care if your basketball-style paper towel toss misses the garbage can and falls on the floor?

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u/incogburritos Dec 08 '21

A big part of the broken window theory in NYC in the 90's was tearing down abandoned buildings because those make a neighborhood look bad and give criminals an easy place to operate from

This was happening through the late 70s and into the 80s, where the city was buying distressed properties. Giuliani realized a lot of the fruits of programs going back a long time.

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u/TripleSecretSquirrel Dec 08 '21

Ya one of the biggest parts of the broken window policy in NYC was they’d send out city maintenance teams every morning to paint over all of the graffiti from the night before, don’t let it remain.

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u/stellvia2016 Dec 08 '21

This is generally true, but I've also found that some people just like "living like assholes" as my mom would put it. We had some brand new low-income apartments put up in town and it didn't take long before people were trashing the place. I suppose you could say they didn't own them, and that's why, but you'd still think people would like to walk around a neighborhood that looked nice and clean.

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u/coleman57 Dec 08 '21

Agreed--it's sad that some good policies get a bad name because they're associated with repression (though they don't have to be). And sad that some folks will use any opportunity to repress.

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u/TheFakeKanye Dec 08 '21

Rudy legit could've rode off into the sunset and be remembered as one of the best mayors in NYC history, but he had to go insane and become allies with Trump.

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u/fairguinevere Dec 08 '21

Like he definitely did not deserve to, but he coulda.

Like, the radios, the location of the emergency response centre being the twin towers, and more. Corruption and incompetence that made 9/11 so much worse than it had to be.

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u/DankChase Dec 08 '21

He was pretty close to being a presidential nominee in 2008.

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u/milesbeatlesfan Dec 08 '21

Pretty close is a bit of an exaggeration. While there was a lot of hype and seemingly a lot of public support initially, he flamed out pretty spectacularly. He never even got a single delegate if I remember correctly.

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u/slothrop516 Dec 08 '21

I think freaknomics talked about this and attributed more crime was decreased due to roe v wade result rather than Giuliani although they did credit him with a lot but still most of it was due to abortions becoming more available 16 years or so earlier

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 10 '21

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u/rankinrez Dec 08 '21

I think this photo is older than that, if I’m right it’s from the “Subway Art” book by Henry Chalfant and Martha Cooper.

Regarding the graffiti, New York started getting serious about it in the early 80s, but really doubled down towards the end of the decade and into the 90s.

Not only much higher security at train yards and layups, but also a “clean train” policy where they would take graffiti’d trains out of service immediately to prevent the perpetrators ever seeing their work. It was really an established thing in New York going back 20+ years, so it was very hard.

Despite that it still happens a little, but the policy of pulling trains from service is in place.

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u/cky_stew Dec 08 '21

I came here to see if it was from subway art as I was so sure I recognized it!

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u/mongoose3000 Dec 08 '21

Mayor Ed Koch declared war against graffiti in the mid 1980's. They started cleaning trains constantly, and would not let any cars ride if they had graffiti on them. This kinda knocked the wind out of a lot of graffiti writers so they started focusing more on painting in the streets. Trains still get painted a lot but they do not run, writers will do it just for the picture.

Source: I'm a graffiti writer of over 30 years.

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u/RGJ587 Dec 08 '21

The Getdown on netflix is a really good show that stylizes NY and the Bronx in the late 70s. The crackdown on graffiti is one if the central points of the show, as well as the rise of hip hop.

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u/MelihCan718 Dec 08 '21

Thank you for pointing out The Get Down. I miss that show so much.

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u/RGJ587 Dec 08 '21

Shaolin's the DJ that we call conductor.
Cause Shaolin Fantastic's a bad motherf----

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u/MelihCan718 Dec 08 '21

Boom then crash, the shattering of glass

I dive to the floor, busting my ass

What the hell was that?

Was all that I say

Then I see the pool of blood

I see my mom she's dead

Man, i'm having goosebumps..

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u/NecesseFatum Dec 08 '21

I'll never understand people who think it's okay to vandalize things

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u/Anotheroneforkhaled Dec 08 '21

I have a friend who thinks graffiti looks awesome. I think it ruins everything.

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u/bloatedplutocrat Dec 08 '21

Crime plummeted by the mid 90s. Unleaded gasoline/ Roe V Wade 20 years earlier, heavy increases in # of police, better availabilty of birth control/sex ed are generally attributed as being the cause.

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u/reallyfatjellyfish Dec 08 '21

Tackling the root instead of the stem. Making the it hard to take root rather than diggings it out every week.

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u/goteamnick Dec 08 '21

It makes sense, but if you're a politician, do you think you'd be satisfied if someone came to you with a solution for a big problem, but the solution would take 20 years to take effect?

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u/Tele_Viper Dec 08 '21

Crime also plummeted due to indoor air conditioning, video game systems, and the internet.

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u/aim_so_far Dec 08 '21

Broken window theory being implemented. Advent of the internet. Resolution of the crack epidemic.. All of these are cofactors.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Cameras probably helped.

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u/mcbeef89 Dec 08 '21

watch Style Wars (seriously, it's fantastic) - at the end it shows how the golden age of train painting was crushed

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u/Serpent_of_Rehoboam Dec 08 '21

Style Wars

Thanks for reminding me of this doc. haven't seen it in probably 20 years but I still vividly remember SEEN explaining how he paints a piece.

SEEN: Then I add some bits.

Filmaker: Bits?

SEEN: Yeah. Bits, ya know? Little doo dads here and there.

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u/rankinrez Dec 08 '21

Doo dads. Classic :)

Also Skeme and his mother…. “He’s king of the yakety yack yard” etc

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u/rankinrez Dec 08 '21

While it is awesome, it really only shows the very start of the effort. It wasn’t until the later 80s that the program really ramped up.

But yes that’s the start of it. They created the “white elephant”.

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u/AmericaninFranceEng Dec 08 '21

Train painting? You mean graffiti?

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u/CrypticQuery Dec 08 '21

During the late 80s into the 90s, the MTA started taking graffiti-marred trains out of service specifically to clean graffiti off of them. Prior to that they either didn't have the budget to or didn't care enough. Probably a combination of the two given NYC's dire financial straits.

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u/relaxok Dec 08 '21

Growing up in the suburbs of NYC in the 80s, I was so fascinated by the city and how gritty it was.. I never thought it would be cleaned up like it is today! Both in terms of crime and graffiti/trash..

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u/KenBoCole Dec 08 '21

Its still there, you just dont visit those places.

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u/Flimsy-Armadillo-306 Dec 08 '21

Nah the city is a million times safer now

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u/JustADutchRudder Dec 08 '21

Ruined a perfectly good city to set gritty gang movies in. Gone are the days of Gangs of New York, the Warriors and West Side Story.

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u/Land_Squid_1234 Dec 08 '21 Hugz

This blows. I want to get shot by Robert DeNiro in an alleyway. The government should die

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u/JustADutchRudder Dec 08 '21

We don't need it to die, land squids over react fast. We just need the government paralyzed, much nicer.

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u/throway2222234 Dec 08 '21

And as a resident, thank god. I like being able to walk around at night without being paranoid.

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u/imameanone Dec 08 '21

Warriors! Come out and play-yay! Warriors!! Come out and play-yay!! WARRIORS!!! COME OUT AND PLAY-YAY!!!

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u/LewisEFurr Dec 08 '21

CAN YOU DIG IT???

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u/AnakinFarmwalker Dec 08 '21

I SAY THE FUTURE IS OURS. IF YOU CAN COUNT.

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u/futsalfan Dec 08 '21

that movie, and later, the actual subway, scared the shit out of me in the 80s. lol.

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u/nevshev Dec 08 '21

Really? We (meaning my siblings, cousins, and my neighbors) loved The Warriors big time! Back in the day, on my block in Philadelphia, we used to play, as a game, The Warriors. My cousin had the album and we would bring the record player on the porch and turn it up! It was a great time to be alive!

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u/Anianna Dec 08 '21

Dude on the left 'bouta break out in song and dance about life as a cop in Harlem.

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u/kellerrrrr Dec 08 '21

Don't push him cuz he's close to the edge

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u/LostNTheNoise Dec 08 '21

"Dammit, I am the cop! You were supposed to be the construction worker!"

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u/aedroogo Dec 08 '21

two Indian chiefs get on at next stop

"God dammit guys!"

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u/_AlreadyTaken_ Dec 08 '21

That is load bearing graffiti

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u/Papancasudani Dec 08 '21

Mustaches were required in NYPD back then

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u/Slartibartfast39 Dec 08 '21

They're era appropriate.

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u/BidenWontMoveLeft Dec 08 '21

Still are for promotions

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u/Isolatte Dec 08 '21

I never minded the graffiti. It's the body odor, cigarette smoke, gum, cum and urine that you can't smell in this picture.

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u/crappy_gross-monster Dec 08 '21

Why the subway seemed so fucked up in those times? What happened?

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u/1willprobablydelete Dec 08 '21

It wasn't just the subway. Most major US cities were seriously crime ridden. There's the modern lens of nostalgia about the 80s now, but there were some serious problems.

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u/hbkmog Dec 08 '21

Yeah I do love the 80s culturally, especially music and movies but damn, it was rough when it comes to crime and public health.

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u/Adonwen Dec 08 '21

Haha modern 20s are giving 80s public health a run for its money

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u/YourWarDaddy Dec 08 '21

I think I’m one of the only people that legitimately believe the 80’s was the worst decade regarding pop culture in history. No nostalgia from me man.

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u/clovisinternational Dec 08 '21

cmon, you atleast gotta be nostalgic over the Pontiac 6000, no?

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u/crappy_gross-monster Dec 08 '21

Aaaah, ok.. Why we're cities so fucked up with crime in those times?

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u/slothrop516 Dec 08 '21

Roe v wade, crack cocaine etc

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u/statdude48142 Dec 08 '21

pre- Roe v Wade, as in generations of kids who would have been aborted who were raised by negligent or just plain poor parents (or grew up in the system) coming of age.

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u/JustADutchRudder Dec 08 '21

Disco pissed everyone off in the 70s, they finially reached a breaking point.

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u/IThinkIKnowThings Dec 08 '21

Fewer people took the subway then. You'd only take it if you couldn't afford a cab or didn't have a car/parking space of your own. So the subway was considered "low-class", and as such, not much money was allocated toward maintaining it. You know how these things go.

Now the subway is way more of a class uniter than it ever was. Especially certain routes.

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u/crappy_gross-monster Dec 08 '21

Well, yeah. The mentality of only single family homes as a home and family cars as transportation are worthy needs to fucking stop.

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u/18pepper Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

lead in gas, no abortions, drug game/H and crack usage, vietnam war, the failure of FDR's new deal(ghettos) the collapse of the working class in factories, white flight, the decline of social safety net, racial tensions, corrupt police/government.

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u/crappy_gross-monster Dec 08 '21

Oooooh... And... Is it so true that America is decaying?

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u/_NiceWhileItLasted Dec 08 '21

Eh. About as much as anywhere else. We're just louder so it's more noticeable.

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u/Limmmao Dec 08 '21

Loving this hi-res version of the second stage of Final Fight.

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u/fendermrc Dec 08 '21

Ooh! I have one from 1978 I plan to share soon! We can compare graffiti levels!

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u/OpeningSpeed1 Dec 08 '21

Will be waiting

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u/chilicool23 Dec 08 '21

It’s posted! Go check! 😄

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u/rgkramp Dec 08 '21

All we need is Turbo and Ozone to complete the scene.

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u/Pantomeme Dec 08 '21

I notice all the ads are graffiti free.

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u/TheVentiLebowski Dec 08 '21

They were probably replaced fairly often.

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u/RedBetaMan Dec 08 '21

People draw all over the place? Wtf.

That shit is like crop circles, nobody sees it happening.

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u/Bilbaw_Baggins Dec 08 '21

At least they respected the sanctity of the advertising space.

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u/Sorestbutt Dec 08 '21

This was taken by Martha cooper in 1981 not 86

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u/Shakespurious Dec 08 '21

BTW, the L.A. transit system is *much* worse right now!

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u/thrungoli Dec 08 '21

Once saw a guy rip the seat off an Expo Line train and ride it like a surfboard for the next 2 stops. And I consider that a tame day xD

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u/Zaccardi337 Dec 08 '21

Sure about the year? Looks like a photo from 1976

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u/L0st_in_the_Stars Dec 08 '21

It could be 1986. The woman's clothes and styling look more 80s than 70s. The ad for cheap airfares means that it's after deregulation in 1978. The MTA began a systematic elimination of graffiti-filled cars in 1984, but it took 5 years to implement. Cops still looked like Yankees catcher Thurman Munson in 1986.

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u/notbob1959 Dec 08 '21

It was taken by Martha Cooper in 1981. In the Wikipedia article on Martha Cooper they have a photo there of her standing in front of the photo with this caption:

Cooper in front of a large version of her photograph "Two Cops Patrolling Subway, Bronx, NY, 1981", in Berlin in 2014.

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u/amitym Dec 08 '21

It was taken by Martha Cooper in 1981

This I could believe. There's no way it was 1986 though.

Late 70s or very, very early 80s.

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u/Zaccardi337 Dec 08 '21

Cops still looked like Yankees catcher Thurman Munson in 1986. 😅

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u/Wizzmer Dec 08 '21

Reminds me of the movie The Warriors.

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u/1Under1Stood1 Dec 08 '21

Am I the only one who actually thought this was an album cover?

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u/Smirking_Puppet Dec 08 '21

No, it absolutely looks like it should be.

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u/The_Blue_Rooster Dec 08 '21

This right here is why movies made in the 80s and before in NYC have a feel that just hasn't been accurately replicated since.

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u/frostonroads Dec 08 '21

Why aren't any of these people wearing masks? Don't they know?

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u/BubbleButtBuff Dec 08 '21

This looks like a 3rd world country

How did anyone in charge think this was acceptable?

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u/steamedfarts Dec 08 '21

What people like to call the “good old days”.

And those people are full of shit, NYC during the 80s was a hell hole.

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u/sfjay Dec 08 '21

Doesn't look that far from what we've got in Oakland, CA right now, to be honest...

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u/Cru_Jones86 Dec 08 '21

There's more cops in this picture though.

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u/thunder-cricket Dec 08 '21

Really? I lived in Oakland through the 90s and halfway into the 00s. I remember public transit being pretty pristine. The BART system was spotless. Can't imagine it's gotten worse since then with the gentrification that's happened sine then.

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u/Antmantium108 Dec 08 '21

Are those two cops or two leather daddies? 🤔

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u/TommyTuttle Dec 08 '21

They definitely have a Village People look to them.

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u/prostipope Dec 08 '21

All this makes me think of is..."warriors, come out to playyyy."

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u/flojitsu Dec 08 '21

Let's see a sale on a flight for $116 and ad for Newpy 100's and a poster calling a Horse Race Track "The land of Opportunity" haha unbelievable

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u/lbiddle25 Dec 08 '21

That looks like norm McDonald, playing burt Reynolds , who’s playing a cop.

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u/oneamaznkid Dec 08 '21

Looks like Bruce Davidson’s subway series ?

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u/Mewsiex Dec 08 '21

I thought someone was cosplaying two Tom of Finland characters

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u/No-Photograph-7245 Dec 08 '21

Newport ads haven’t changed since 1986