r/WhitePeopleTwitter Dec 08 '21 Silver 4 Helpful 6 Wholesome 5 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Bravo! 1 Sidevote 1 Justice Served 1

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u/JanB1 Dec 08 '21

LegalEagle did a fairly objective analysis of the verdict imho.

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u/r4ge4holic Dec 08 '21

LegalEagle is fucking great

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u/Logbotherer99 Dec 08 '21

Have you got a link?

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u/JanB1 Dec 08 '21 Helpful Lawyer Up

"Kyle Rittenhouse: Murder or Self-Defense?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR-hhat34LI

"What's the Deal with Rittenhouse Judge Schroeder?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxoYNpBMaCg

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri Dec 08 '21

Thanks for posting these. I did not know about this page but damn is it good.

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u/CaptainShrubbery Dec 08 '21

I didnt see the first one, but I appreciate the fact that he gave a level headed analysis of the judge.

I mean the judge is hokey, but he had a Judicial philosophy of erring on the side of the defendant.

Which is the right thing to do in our justice system.

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u/Marc21256 Dec 08 '21

It may be the right thing to do, but for some reason is not always done consistently.

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u/Atmosphere-Strong Dec 08 '21

Judges should be neutral and listen to all the evidence. Why would you automatically be on the side of the defendant?

Thats how people get away with it. This happens a lot with rape cases.

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u/LeftDave Dec 08 '21 Gold

The problem with the verdict wasn't legal. Everyone involved had a solid self defense case (just 2 of them were too dead to make their case). The problem with the verdict is the scenario in the tweet.

Everything about a street battle until the bullets start actually flying is now okayed by case law.

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u/JanB1 Dec 08 '21

That was my problem as well. While the self defence may be legal, if he hadn't gone there with a loaded rifle the situation might have unfolded totally different.

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u/RoidnedVG Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Silver Gold Wholesome Golden Star

That’s not how “case law” works. Open carry and concealed weapon laws differ wildly depending on the State and county you live in. This trial-level case does nothing for legal precedent in the United States.

People can own guns. What people can and can’t do with those guns is not impacted by the Rittenhouse trial. An appeal that analyzed the standard used or specific jury instructions as they relate to self defense could be persuasive in other jurisdictions, but most States are more than happy to develop that body of law as they see fit (first through their legislature and then by the courts). This is why owning a gun in California is nothing like owning a gun in Texas.

Edit: To those repeating legal eagle’s (though this narrative didn’t start with him) “If a victim had shot Rittenhouse they would’ve had a self defense justification”:

I can’t believe any lawyer would actually repeat this narrative. In most jurisdictions self defense fails as a matter of law if the individual is in retreat. You can bet that the State would be trying his first victim for murder had he shot Rittenhouse. What about the victims after the first shots?

Now you may be thinking “But they saw him shoot another person. How do they know Rittenhouse is acting in self defense and isn’t a mass shooter?”

A key step in the self defense analysis involving the defense of others is that you stand in the shoes of the person you are defending. Meaning that if Rittenhouse acts in self defense and shoots an agressor - person 1 - then person 2 shoots Rittenhouse, it is as if person 2 IS the agressor because the person they sought to defend was an agressor.

It’s a legally somewhat technical which is why I don’t blame anyone for falling for the narrative, but I’m surprised a lawyer (criminal or civil) would buy or repeat it. It’s just not how self defense works.

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u/BeBa420 Dec 08 '21

oh im gonna have to look into that. I only ever watch his tv show analysis (loved the seinfeld one). Would be nice to see a real life one

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u/JanB1 Dec 08 '21

I linked the videos in a reply from another user to my comment.

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u/crabratsnfun Dec 08 '21

That was always allowed

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u/PossibleBroccoli Dec 08 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome

Yes. If your state has the right to open carry and someone open carries at a riot/protest and is then attacked they still have the right to defend themselves.

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u/reddituser_123 Dec 08 '21

Yes, please.

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u/Icarusprime1998 Dec 08 '21

Uh yeah and you should think that too

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u/BobsBoots65 Dec 08 '21

They can already do that though.

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u/Castlewaller Dec 08 '21

Literally yes.

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u/BlkSunShyn Dec 08 '21

I dont see a problem here?

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u/H4yT3r Dec 08 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

provocation under the law in most states require a duty to retreat, wisconsin didnt. but he still did, and tried.
but yes, everyone has the right to defend themselves against creditable threats. ty for supporting the 2nd amendment.

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u/laxkid7 Dec 08 '21

Yea it would be cool with me. And the second anyone starts to physically attack that armed person well… fuck around and find out

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u/thecrazyslopoke Dec 08 '21

I'm OK with someone protecting themselves if someone else attacks them, sure.

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u/DonaldTrumpSucks_ Dec 08 '21

Yes. Because when it’s necessary; it’s ok to use self defense

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u/Uwodu Dec 08 '21

I am okay with that actually. Why is it that people think that anyone that doesn’t disagree with the rittenhouse verdict is some kind of crazed right winger?

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u/Arcadius274 Dec 08 '21

....wait....is he OK with the reverse? What message is this...who's side is he on.

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u/A_Ron_Sacks Dec 08 '21

This is Jank, he's only on the side where he can make money.

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u/Arcadius274 Dec 08 '21

Ah fair answer

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u/mini_garth_b Dec 08 '21

Yes, in fact that is exactly what they want. They're bored larping as a militia and want to move on to actually fighting their own countrymen for opposing them politically.

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u/Cassscade Dec 08 '21

Yeah, who knows what they'll do? They might storm the Capitol to overthrow an election and hang the Vice President!

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u/mini_garth_b Dec 08 '21

Could you imagine! At least we know that a crime of that magnitude would be punished at least a little if they should fail.

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u/MonoRailSales Dec 08 '21

They're bored larping as a militia and want to move on to actually fighting their own countrymen for opposing them politically.

Yeah, except they don't understand that Civil war means that their favourite teacher from School will have their throat cut, Their womenfolk will be raped, Parents will be forced to rape their children under the threat of death or torture and going shopping will entail running a sniper alley with corpses of old ladies lying in the open sun until nightime when its safer to collect the bodies and their public spaces and parks will turn into cementaries.

Oh, and if you think its all bullshit and hyperbole, it all happened in Europe, only a couple of decades ago in the Balkans.

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u/jack_dZil Dec 08 '21

Boebert: Jihad Squad.. That's so funny c'mon its a joke. Omar: No it isn't. Boebert: Merry Christmas, like my guns? Omar: posts her guns (which thank God she won't because that's fucking nuts. Idk if she has guns or not but if she did do that, well damn.)

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u/NarmHull Dec 08 '21

Maaan if Omar armed her kids and posed for Ramadan just imagine the reaction

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u/GameofPorcelainThron Dec 08 '21

God I didn't know I needed this until now. She should totally do it just to make the goddamn point.

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u/FQDIS Dec 08 '21

The point would be utterly lost.

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u/WorkWorkZubZub Dec 08 '21

They'll piss their pants if it ever happens, though. Just like the NRA did when the Black Panthers started carrying in public.

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u/Living-Complex-1368 Dec 08 '21

Wasn't one of the first gun control laws signed bu Ronald Reagan as California Governor. In response to the Black Panthers...

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u/Bigtimeduhmas Dec 08 '21

Yup drafted by 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans but named after one of the Republicans who helped draft it. Odd how that works.

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u/Marc21256 Dec 08 '21

The NRA supported all gun control bills prior to 1977. As Reagan's fun grabbing in California was before that, the NRA would have happily supported the ban on open carry. After 197u, the NRA has opposed every gun control measure, including things like background checks, which nearly everybody supports.

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u/Cyber_Druid Dec 08 '21

They're bored larping as a militia and want to move on to actually fighting their own murdering* countrymen for opposing them politically.

ftfy

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u/sidepiecesam Dec 08 '21

I don’t think they really want that. They want you to THINK they want confrontation, but the thought of it really scares the hell out of them. That’s why they bring rifles to protests, so they look so scary you won’t actually mess with them.

In short; cowardice.

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u/Pb_ft Dec 08 '21

Half-right; they wanna see blood, but not their own.

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u/FreeAd6935 Dec 08 '21

No, they do want it

but they will be getting a monkey paw with their wish

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u/demonTutu Dec 08 '21

Slight difference here would be anyone attempting a shooting at a right wing protest would face a bunch of assholes with weapons, plus a much less compassionate police force. The odds of being captured alive to face a fair trial like Rittenhouse did seem much lower.

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u/CHOKEY_Gaming Dec 08 '21

"Slight difference... you'll probably die."

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u/Automatic-Law319 Dec 08 '21

I minor detail indeed

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u/ShittheFickup Dec 08 '21

Slight difference?!?? Slight?? A slight difference is you would be vigilanted all over the street? THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING PROBLEM.

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u/baddada1 Dec 08 '21

Lol, you said fair trial.

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u/HydratedHydra Dec 08 '21

What was fair about Rittenhouse's trial?

The only thing "fair" I could find was the complexion of the defendant and the (blatantly biases, white supremacist) Judge.

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u/mynoserunsmorethanme Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Legal Eagle did a really good YouTube video about the judge’s bias recently. Definitely worth a watch.

Edit: Link

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u/royalhawk345 Dec 08 '21

Most of the responses seem to explain that judges have the leeway to do what this one did, but didn't really address the bias of the decisions themselves.

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u/Embarrassed_Race7830 Dec 08 '21

There was not unjustifiable bias. Our legal system is biased towards the defendant.

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u/ArtisticAvatar Dec 08 '21

Yea that’s totally fine.

I’d rather there be no need for protest, or a provocation that leads to a scruffle.

But life is like a box of chocolates, some guys want to feed you crap.

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u/hurtinlocker Dec 08 '21

They totally are and have said so for a while? Maybe talk to them.

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u/TheBrooklyn Dec 08 '21

Yes. Don't come at a guy with a gun. Simple.

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u/Dijiwolf1975 Dec 08 '21 Helpful

I'm cool with that for any protest or riot. Left wing or right wing. You have the right to bear arms. Practice it.

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u/NRG1975 Dec 08 '21

Yeah fuck cooler tempers prevailing. Go straight for that killing machine!

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u/PhrasherLaser Dec 08 '21 Wholesome

american propaganda rotten brain set mind set momment who shoots first wins felt scared btw good precedent

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u/The-devils-usb Dec 08 '21

Everyone who legally can own a firearm should own one

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u/spark_this Dec 08 '21

Why is Cenk even relevant anymore? He's just pandering and most high schoolers have a better job of articulating their points than this idiot.

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u/therealman-io Dec 08 '21

Yes! If I try to shoot you for no reason, please shoot me

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u/UpsetStomach56 Dec 08 '21

If they get attacked physically or feel like their life is in danger then they have the same rights to defend ourselves as everyone else. Doesn't matter their political agenda, if they are American citizens then they should be treated as such

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u/Stantasio Dec 08 '21

I love hearing this claim because you can’t make it without being unaware of history. This is almost literally what the black panther party did, where there would be protests or even law enforcement harassing the black community, they would show up and exercise their right to bear arms. So go ahead and sing me a song of how gun control affects minorities and I’ll agree, because it takes power away from EVERY community.

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u/saku49 Dec 08 '21

If someone is holding a gun and I try to hit them with a weapon or my fists, they have my permission to shoot me. Done. If I’m merely just provoking them then that’s another story.

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u/flyingdeadthing Dec 08 '21

As a conservative, I have no problem with anyone who can legally carry a firearm doing so. I couldn't care less about the race, political ideology, or whatever. The fact that they can legally carry it means that they aren't pedophiles or wife beaters like the "victims" in the Rittenhouse case

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u/AlterEdward Dec 08 '21

When a member of antifa punched Richard Spencer, nobody pretended it was self defense.

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u/razortrack Dec 08 '21

Lol, cuz it wasn't. How is randomly punching someone "self-defence"?

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u/Zensonar Dec 08 '21

PRETENDED

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u/oconnellc Dec 08 '21

Seems weird that people keep forgetting that Rittenhouse WASN'T THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAD A GUN. I've seen the videos and heard the testimony. How in the world do you watch that and still act like Rittenhouse was the aggressor. He sure did something that the people who were burning stuff didn't like. Are we supposed to care about them not liking it?

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u/W3lfarewarrior Dec 08 '21

Is that not what the guy with the handgun did as well?

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u/oconnellc Dec 08 '21

And which of the other people does the advice "the best thing <you> could have done was to have not showed up. <you> showed up, and people died."

The lack of self awareness here is appalling. "Sure, this other guy was burning stuff and destroying property and he testified that he chased Rittenhouse with a gun, long after Rittenhouse was a threat to him, and then after Rittenhouse lowered his gun, he actually approached Rittenhouse and raised his gun to Rittenhouse's head. But, why should I judge him negatively for anything he did?"

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u/St1ckyR1ce1 Dec 08 '21

You can say the same thing about the armed protestors...

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u/W3lfarewarrior Dec 08 '21

Although I agree with you in that there is nothing to celebrate, he isn’t a hero by any means. If nobody was there nobody would’ve died

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u/anon2282 Dec 08 '21

And if Rittenhouse wasn't armed we'd have an innocent dead 17 year old on our hands.

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u/hurtinlocker Dec 08 '21

Since the right to bear arms was penned.

The right are celebrating him for the reasons they say they're celebrating him.

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u/AlterEdward Dec 08 '21

Give me break. You have to jump through some serious logical hoops to see anything worth celebrating. He showed up somewhere he didn't need to be at all, armed, and ended up killing someone? Even if you believe the self defence argument, holding up Rittenhouse as someone to be celebrated makes absolutely zero sense, unless you believe he was right to kill those people. If he didn't show up with a gun, nobody would have died. The whole thing was a tragedy. I'm saying this as someone who reluctantly agrees with the court verdict.

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u/hurtinlocker Dec 08 '21

Whether it makes sense or not, it's what they believe.

You don't get to replace their professed motives and beliefs with something more palatable, just because you find it dumb as shit.

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u/BugsCheeseStarWars Dec 08 '21

That's not what's happening. AlterEdward is arguing that the right is acting like they're celebrating self defense and gun rights, but every conservative person I know has said that the protestors deserved it when the verdict was announced. Every. Single. One. I have an uncle that said he would have paid for the rifle and ammo himself. Professed beliefs and what people say behind closed doors can vary widely, and I'd argue that the latter is always closer to what someone truly thinks.

Don't allow fascists in sheep clothing to convince you that they care about anything other than power and getting their way. Like, do you believe the Democratic Republic of Congo is a democracy just because it says so in the name? Just because conservative politicians are able to put a thin veneer of decency on their constituents' bloodthirst doesnt change what time of day it is.

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u/BugsCheeseStarWars Dec 08 '21

This is so cute and naive. It's hilarious that you think the right has a coherent ethos other than white Christian outrage.

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u/razortrack Dec 08 '21

So by that logic, the Korean business owners defending thier shops during the LA riots in the 90's should've just left thier livelihoods behind and let it all burn, instead of saying enough is enough and taking action to ensure it. And those riots were over officers being absolutely racist bastards and being acquitted.

Even to that, the entire situation was fubar from the beginning. The cops should've done a better job at controlling the RIOT (because that's what it was) and BLM and ANTIFA shouldn't have been rioting in the first place because it's wrong.

It wasn't a protest, it was a riot. It wasn't his responsibility to try and contain it. It was the fault of the police for not doing thir job. It was the fault of the rioters for trying to assault and KILL a 17 year old.

And lastly, who are you referring to as "woke libs"? The wife beater, the pedophile or the guy that was lining up a shot when he had his bicep forcefully removed?

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u/A_Gh0st Dec 08 '21

well you see that's just a natural consequence of calling for a white ethno-state out loud with your mouth. Someone is liable to punch you in said mouth.

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u/NarmHull Dec 08 '21

Did you see the way his mouth was dressed?! It was asking to be punched!

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u/psuedodoc Dec 08 '21

At the end of the day a jury came to a verdict. We need to move past it. Everyone there that night with a weapon was looking for trouble, these guys found it. Sad all the way around.

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u/Ann3Nym Dec 08 '21

This whole thread is disturbing

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u/big_daddy_bulge420 Dec 08 '21

lol says the guy who named his youtube news channel after a group of people who carried out a genocide that the united nations deny ever happening. what a guy

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That guy is an idiot.

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u/argmax Dec 08 '21

They already do come armed. Even the convicted felons.

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u/zihuatapulco Dec 08 '21

Are you kidding? This is what the white right dreams about. They want nothing more than a hot civil war.

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u/BugsCheeseStarWars Dec 08 '21 Ally

Yeah, so our options are let them win the war without even fighting it, or force them to put their money where their mouth is. This is literally the whole ethos of antifa: negotiation and arbitration with fascists is fundamentally flawed since fascists don't do anything in good faith.

I've got bad news, a cold civil war is happening already. Rittenhouse was the John Brown of a conflict that IS coming. They attacked the fucking capital and nothing happened, do you think they're gonna chill out now? Guns and ammo sales have been through the roof. The frequency of political violence has exploded.

We can either accept the fact that conflict is coming and start playing by those rules, or accept the new authoritarian American Empire we are soon to be citizens of.

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u/WKGokev Dec 08 '21

A whoooollllleeeeee bunch of that increase was new left leaning gun owners

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u/sonofslackerboy Dec 08 '21

Hol up, this John Brown? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

Because Rittenhouse is shit compared to him . I'll assume you mean he's like him in that he may have had a hand in igniting a war.

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u/craiglepaige Dec 08 '21

This x 1000

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u/Morbys Dec 08 '21

Best scenario is allowing them to secede and watch them fail miserably so they can see how “blue” states have been carrying them around like the leeches they are

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u/NarmHull Dec 08 '21

Many of them are chickenshits though and will immediately move to ban guns

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u/Linaii_Saye Dec 08 '21

I don't like violence, I would be against it personally. But I do think violence is the natural final stage to a people not having their issues addressed no matter how often they peacefully protest and in what manner, while these issues are preventing them from pursuing happiness, stability and freedom.

Don't want BLM to get actually violent? Not like the overwhelmingly peaceful protests we have seen so far? Time to start addressing these issues...

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u/TheGreatOpoponax Dec 08 '21

Lame. How are you going to get through to people who are 100% fine with school shootings and mass shootings?

These halfwits see themselves as heroes in a noble struggle against communism. It's batshit insane, but therein lies the problem. You can't reason with people who don't have the basic ability to reason.

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u/NarmHull Dec 08 '21

Shit, might as well. I think women should arm themselves too and hang out at abortion clinics if that's what it takes.

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u/VampireApe Dec 08 '21

Whos this fat f*ck, and who the hell cares? Gun laws are the same for black or white, liberal or republican, rich or poor.

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u/2pacalypso Dec 08 '21

This is false. You only get a pass if you kill someone that your average republican also wants to kill. They'll empty their pockets into your defense fund for that.

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u/thekyledavid Dec 08 '21

“No, then it would be terrorism”

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u/H3pennypacker Dec 08 '21

Who’s looking forward to Jan 6 ‘24? Can’t wait to defend the Capitol!

Since they exclusively watch Fox they all think we’re gun-hating pacifists. Gonna be fun!

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u/ansuremi Dec 08 '21

So for the Rittenhouse supporters. I'm glad that you guys won't be against the Black Militants or Antifia armed with AR15’s coming to one of your protests against the big lie?

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u/kaldra_zadrim Dec 08 '21

They want a full-out war. They are cool with this.

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u/realofficemike Dec 08 '21

All these Twits thinking these types of "what if..." arguments are making any kind of difference. You're not winning any power just because you're right. The fascists want us dead, and they don't need a salient argument - about anything - to justify their means. Stop thinking logic is going to kick in one day and change their minds. Buy a gun instead because they are coming.

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u/Sangad Dec 08 '21

To answer Cenk's question, yes yes we are

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u/misterjustin Dec 08 '21

I mean you shouldn’t be having a peaceful protest with firearms. It sorta muddles the “we come in peace” message. This goes for everyone.

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u/Zensonar Dec 08 '21

They are fascists. Eternal violence is literally their endgame. So yes, they are probably cool with that.

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u/techpriestyahuaa Dec 08 '21

They’re just waiting for an acceptable reason to cause another Kristallnacht. Each state to then judge em differently. Dunno how many chances they’ll get, but consider Jan 6th and little action it seems from feds on some people, it looks like they’ll get a few more before they’ll buckle down.

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u/Ophelie_Marin Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

They are in fact not cool with it, they murder us for self arming. They killed a man who self armed during protests for his and his wife who was a disabled activist. That was a guy who got out of his vehicle to kill him. How about Michael reinoehl. Let's just sweep him away shall we? How about the guy who was surrounded by thirty or so proud boys and stuck one? No self defense there huh?

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u/stack85 Dec 08 '21

Antifa doesn't exist. It's a boogeyman man.

Prove me wrong.

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Dec 08 '21

I'm honestly surprised more far left people haven't started bringing assault rifles and weapons to protests since it's been proven nothing happens to those who use them.

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u/hurtinlocker Dec 08 '21

They have and for years. All-black, all-armed, on capitol steps type displays, even.

This has always been allowed.

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u/chilachinchila Dec 08 '21

Because they don’t want to be preemptively killed by cops and labeled as terrorists by the media.

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u/JCRickards Dec 08 '21

Yes I'm very cool with this that's the whole point! You know the best deterrent against bad guys with guns? Good guys with guns.

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u/_MasterChef_ Dec 08 '21

Hey guys, I know this probably won’t be seen but: We need to stand together. Yes left wing protesters have a reputation for violence/looting (Seattle exclusionary zone) but Kyle shouldn’t have been there, as far as I know he had no reason to be there someone correct me if I’m wrong. However he was being attacked and felt it necessary to protect himself which he did. So yes I support Kyle Rittenhouse and yes, Antifa and other black militant groups may do what he did. But if you’ve lasted this long I will leave you with one more thought: We are all Americans even if we share different viewpoints it is prudent that we stand together, don’t let the world split us apart ✌️

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u/99deeds Dec 08 '21

he had no reason to be there someone correct me if I’m wrong

he said he was protecting a local business and providing first aid to people there { which was confirmed by people there } https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTnQfjRvk0

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u/FeweF8 Dec 08 '21

I’m couldn’t give less of a shit about Antifa, but Americans have rights that can not and will not be trampled upon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Cenk is such a bad faith shitbird.

Yes, you toolshed. People have the right.

Besides, what's scarier than an armed bear?

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u/L00mis Dec 08 '21

mumbles in confused and angry American

NO! Don't tread on me!!

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u/GrandmasCannoli Dec 08 '21

At least they’ll all have weapons 🤷🏻‍♂️ I wonder who practices more

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u/ferrocarrilusa Dec 08 '21

Always picture the shoe on the other foot.

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u/Borp5150 Dec 08 '21

If he willing put himself in harms way by going to a known violent protest armed with an assault rifle then self defence should not be an option for his situation. Hey just my opinion but can someone explain how this is self defence ? I’m confused cause he was safe at home in another state and he is underage.

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u/averyoda Dec 08 '21

Why is he against it? Is there not a massive difference between shooting blm protesters and shooting white supremacists?

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u/nostromorises Dec 08 '21

The Hayseeds now have the Rittenhouse verdict to back up their insanity. This is a poor taunt given the racist state of the American justice system which sees racist murderers like Rittenhouse get off scott free.

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