r/antiwork Dec 08 '21 Silver 13 Helpful 5 Wholesome 11

CEO just asked me to order 3 iPhone 13s

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u/slackjaw10 Dec 08 '21 Helpful Wholesome

Get it in an official format to cover yourself in the event of any wrongdoing

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 Silver Helpful Bravo! Spit-take

like the email she sent it in? 😆

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u/Larrygiggles Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Forward that email to your own personal email, that’s what I do with anything shady (whether it’s a task or how someone speaks to me).

EDIT: I forgot to add this in the moment, but mentioned it later. If you do this, it’s best to send it to a personal email address separate from your own. And don’t do something like “fuckihatemyjob@cuntshit.com”. Make it something innocuous like “Torey.Smith@blah.com”. A different name, no trigger words, etc.

And as others have pointed out, there is PLENTY to be aware of regarding workplace policies for forwarding emails and whatnot. Some folks have suggested printing it, some folks have suggested saving it. Do the best thing for your situation.

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u/SchutzstaffelKneeGro Dec 08 '21 Starry

No. Save the email and attach it to an email you send yourself. Want to keep those headers intact

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u/Darondo Dec 08 '21

That’s against many companies’ cybersecurity policies and could easily be used as a bs reason to fire OP in retaliation.

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u/SchutzstaffelKneeGro Dec 08 '21

I mean by that same logic forwarding an email to a private account would probably be a violation.

I would still do it to cover ass anyway

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u/Darondo Dec 08 '21

Yeah you’re right, both are, I should’ve replied to the guy above you. OP should just tell CEO that he needs to follow protocol and receive a purchase sheet for the iPhones or whatever. It’s the professional response the company trains you to have. No need to get sneaky yet.

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u/Bullen-Noxen Dec 08 '21

The sneaky part is needed as some people will make files disappear & claim they never existed. Gullible, naive, stupid, people, will believe the bad person who got rid of the info. That’s why you do it. You cover your ass.

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u/wkmaylish Dec 08 '21

We had an exchange admin who did this for the higher ups all the time. Either in mass via a script or by individual accounts. We finally got new leadership and his first slip up he was out the door.

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u/Ravmagn Dec 08 '21

Just take a picture with your phone.

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u/AnotherCKJoint Dec 09 '21 Helpful

In fact, order a fourth phone, take a picture wit THAT one!

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u/Primus_Pilus1 Dec 08 '21

No company can defend against an analog attack like that.

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u/Hard_Corsair Dec 08 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Good thing he's the only IT guy then.

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u/TheDulin Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Or take a picture on your phone.

Edit: Didn't see they worked at a hospital.

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u/SchutzstaffelKneeGro Dec 08 '21

No header info, they could claim its fake.

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u/charleswj Dec 08 '21

I can fake headers, too

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u/effyochicken Dec 08 '21 Silver

Real answer: Just take a screenshot with your phone of the email, present that to your lawyer, who will demand it be produced during discovery, and if it's not produced it can be assumed to be intentionally deleted which means the judge/jury can be required to assume it was in the employees favor due to FRCP on spoliation. If there's any concern that somebody might tamper with it, just demand that a third party vendor perform the pull directly from the email system.

Being that OP is in IT, he can verify the email retention policy to ensure the data isn't going to be automatically deleted prior to production orders. (Which for hospitals, they usually have fairly long retention policies due to handling HIPAA, which requires 6 years.) That way, if the email is missing there's even more evidence it was deleted.

Forwarding the email, saving the email and forwarding, and saving the email and putting it on a flash drive are all very convenient to have early on for a legal case, but unnecessary since discovery is created for just this situation (you need evidence to prove your case, but it's only in the hands of the other party now.)

Being that OP is in IT for a HIPAA environment, not getting fired for violating security protocols is very important for the health of his career.

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u/annabelle411 Dec 08 '21

Also record video of it being present in your inbox, refresh the inbox to show it's not a trick by adjusting source code in your browser, then opening the email and reading it. Cover all the bases to show it isn't an altered screenshot

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u/Noonehadthis Dec 08 '21

My company you are not allowed to send any email from your work email to your personal email even if it is your own information .

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u/Mikey6304 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Forward that email to the board treasurer.

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u/friz_CHAMP Dec 08 '21

Who then go to HR, sweep it under the rug, and the CEO fires you a minor error.

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u/kaygeebonds Dec 08 '21

Don’t go to HR. They will bury it.

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u/killrtaco Dec 08 '21

And you

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u/MotherofLuke Dec 08 '21

And me.

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u/dj_lick_and_stick Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

And my axe.

Edit: my highest upvoted comment is a LotR reference, go figure. Thanks for the award and my first GOLD!?

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u/uppitymatt Dec 08 '21

HR is not your friend

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u/billy123765 Dec 08 '21

Yup if it was really to help employees it probably wouldn’t start by calling them resources. Maybe like employee assistance etc

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u/callipgiyan Dec 08 '21

Instead replay email saying ok I will buy 4 phones. Keep one for yourself as a work phone.

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u/Fluid_Decision_3669 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

How about buy 5 phones, one for the three relatives each, one for the CEO and one for the OP, to keep his mouth shut about the graft? I mean, it's Christmas, amirite, y'all?

Edit: Buy 8 phones....three for the CEO's relatives, one for the CEO, one for you, and 3 for YOUR relatives. I mean, it's still Christmas, amirite, y'all?

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u/Gimmecheesenow Dec 08 '21 Helpful

It would be a shame if it was leaked to the news. People are so pissed about the cost of healthcare, hearing the high paid CEO doing this will do more than going to HR.

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u/friendlyfiend07 Dec 08 '21

Also make sure the invoice in at least a few other people's hands before you go to the media. Last thing you need is them being able to point to the single person who had this info before shit hit the fan.

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u/Ironmerry Dec 08 '21

"accidentally" forward it to the entire office you say?

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u/friendlyfiend07 Dec 08 '21

I didn't suggest it because it's too obvious.

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u/crushlogic Dec 08 '21

Yep, former journalist here, call the press

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u/emp_zealoth Dec 08 '21

Accidentally reply to all

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u/JMoney877 Dec 08 '21

Literally u nailed it lol ratting on the CEO for buying iphones is how you lose your job quick fast and in a hurry.

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u/TRAP_INC7 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Letting healthcare CEOs get away with using hospital funds to purchase personal gifts is exactly the reason our healthcare costs are exponentially rising

Edit: since this is gaining traction, I don’t think this is the sole cause. I didn’t mean for this to be a complex analysis of healthcare spending. But if upper management is brazen enough to spend funds on this, would it be much of a leap to assume they are spending frivolously in other realms? Remember more than half of all healthcare costs are administration, NOT PROVIDERS. Also fuck pharma costs

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u/tinatht Dec 08 '21

this. there’s actually tons of data showing increasing “costs of hosp administration,” all while actual front line staff doesnt get hazard pay

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u/WAHgop Dec 08 '21 Narwhal Salute

I'm a physician and work in a hospital.

I promise you, 100% truth, they ignore the staffing issues we repeatedly raise. To the point where everyone i know will say "i can only do what i can" despite the patient load constantly increasing and overcrowding effecting patient care.

I can think of numerous instances of people dying / having subpar care because staffing is inadequate. The answer is really simply just "hire more people" .

But hospital admins, who have never taken care of a sick person in their life, will wrap all their initiatives in a blanket of "patient safety" or "improving outcomes" when it's so fucking transparent that all their doing is maximizing the ability to bill the patient's insurance / Medicare / Medicaid.

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u/98221-poppin Dec 08 '21

Wait a second, nurse here. You mean there's a doctor alive that gives a shit about not having enough staff??

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u/PandaShark81 Dec 08 '21 Bravo!

Probably ought to inform the hospital controller and/or the CFO (sometimes they are the same person). If all the phones are coming out of hospital funds, the chief fiscal officer should know about it. My dad was in for-profit hospital finance for over twenty years, back when the taught standard hospital billing practices were later determined to be illegal by the CMMS. This wouldn't fly even then. CFO answers to the board as well. They should know.

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u/lookingupyourplay Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

Allocation of funds for personal use is not the correct use of funds .now do they get to be a tax wright off for the company and does that break some tax laws . probably...it definitely seems like misuse of company funds for personal use.

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u/dcearthlover Dec 08 '21

How SAD that we have For-profit hospital and healthcare, IMO It is immoral and sick.

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u/PandaShark81 Dec 08 '21

Yup. Even my father agrees. It helps that when he was working for in healthcare finance the hospital itself was not for profit but the management was for profit (HCA back before their hospital management arm was spun off into another company). He retired kinda early from burnout but later went back just to do accounting, this time for Tenet. That go round (he's fully retired now), he got to see for profit healthcare in action for real. He said it felt slimy. The way pricing is set each year in for profit medicine is just - gross.

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u/beardiswhereilive Dec 08 '21

Literally taking money from the sick and dying so your husband and kids can have the shiny new phone… capitalist healthcare is fucking evil.

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u/Slider_0f_Elay Dec 08 '21

I would try to tactfully talk about with them in person. If the board and CFO don't want to know then you CYOA with copies of the emails but if a place is OK with this kind of sinanigans then they are OK with firing someone over minor bullshit reasons to keep things running smooth. You might feel a need to look for another job if the moral part of it requires it but don't burn yourself because they suck.

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u/skoltroll Dec 08 '21

NO WAY SHOULD OP DO THIS.

Is it a perfectly legal response? yes

Is there a BETTER WAY? YES

This is a personal convo between the CFO/Treasurer and the OP. CYA and kick this shit up the ladder. If nothing happens, move on. If CEO gets pissed, just shrug and talk about how you're CYAing due to protocol.

Better to report AND lessen retaliation.

Source: learn from my mistakes, kids.

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u/TheBirdBytheWindow Dec 08 '21

Listen to this CAREFULLY, OP.

Cover your ass.

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u/mr_potatoface Dec 08 '21

Yeah, CFO, Administrator, Controller, Treasurer, etc... All larger companies have one but the title might be different. It's basically a person looking out for the company's financial interests. HR looks out for the personnel/legal interests (if the company is too small to have a proper legal dept).

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u/JTMissileTits Dec 08 '21

Yep. If finance figures this out you'll also be held liable for doing something you already know is wrong or you wouldn't be questioning it.

Take it up with finance first, because I'm quite certain they have a threshold that requires approval if a purchase goes over a certain amount. I don't know what state you're in, but it's possible the amount for three phones reaches the grand larceny/felony level. It's $1000 in my state. It's as low as $200 in some states.

Get whatever the CFO or accountant says in writing.

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u/davwad2 Dec 08 '21

Did you blind CC yourself. In the event you get fired for something minor, I would send it to the newspaper.

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u/sneakylyric Dec 08 '21

Best option. Ask if Christmas gifts are covered because you want to buy some.

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u/wheres_the_revolt Dec 08 '21

The IRS?

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u/Mikey6304 Dec 08 '21

No, the treasurer of their Board of Directors (the CEOs bosses).

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u/wheres_the_revolt Dec 08 '21

Why not both? I doubt this is the first time the CEO has used corporate finances for personal stuff, the IRS scrutinizes non profits pretty hard, seems like an audit would be bad for the CEO, not only would they lose their position they would probably be unhirable after that.

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u/chaserzz Dec 08 '21

Hospital could be a for profit entity

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u/wheres_the_revolt Dec 08 '21

OP states in a comment it’s a non profit

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u/devilsadvocateac Dec 08 '21

Send it to a reporter. Ryan Grim is good on this stuff.

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u/AcaliahWolfsong Dec 08 '21

That would do it. It's in writing

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u/Ladyxarah Dec 08 '21

Yes! As former HR, this could end up being an “I don’t know why they ordered them. They probably kept the phones for themselves” kind of thing.

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u/Crodie762 Dec 08 '21

Do this only if you want to lose your job.

Because you will. They won't care what the CEO buys, but they will absolutely let the CEO know that you snitched on her.

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u/moon465 Dec 08 '21

OP would lose his job if his manager looked at the billing and saw 3 random Iphones that the company isnt using. I'd document everything. State, "per critical email and confirmation via CEO on 12/8/2021".

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u/Bullen-Noxen Dec 08 '21

This sounds right. Always cover your ass.

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u/hiagha Dec 08 '21

This certainly sounds like embezzlement to me, I would send this to the state AG for prosecution

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u/BananBanah Dec 08 '21

That sounds a lot like embezzlement.

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u/pabmendez Dec 08 '21

CEO can order himself. He trying to get someone else to do order

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u/Alakazam_5head Dec 08 '21

CEO approves OP's credit card statements. Someone else approves the CEO's (likely the CFO). This will never come up in an audit, so the CEO gets free phones. Has to go on OP:s credit card to get it past the CFO

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u/Boris_Godunov Dec 08 '21

As a former auditor: Oh it very well could/should come up in an audit. It just depends on what kind of controls this particular organization has.

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u/2012_s Dec 08 '21

They have one IT person for an entire hospital in the age of PHI database cyber-blackmail. That IT person is allowed to place their own product orders. They probably aren’t doing very many legit audits.

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u/surprisetrousers Dec 08 '21

You don’t do a lot of audit, do you?

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u/Physical_Orchid_2075 Dec 08 '21

Dont you typically audit the whole chain?

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u/surprisetrousers Dec 08 '21

You audit expenses. You look at anomalies. You would also talk to the people. Like, if someone is doing IT hardware procurement, you talk to them. They are going to mention 3-4 grand in iPhones they feel might have been inappropriately purchased. It’s not just a big pile of purchases that someone says, “yeah, this was signed off on”. I’m guessing that not everyone at a non-profit is getting an iPhone 13 for Christmas, or even issued to them. It’s an anomaly. It’s showing up.

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u/shaggy_macdoogle Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Maybe that's because it is. Even if someone above her found out, they wouldn't care because they do the same thing or it would be a hassle to replace them. I used to have a boss that would use company equipment for his side business on the weekend ( construction). I used to hope the higher ups would find out. A few months ago I found out he got caught, and laughed as I thought he finally got his just deserts. Fast forward to now, no punishment and he still runs the same crew with the same equipment and still uses it on the weekends. Do I just need to be a complete scumbag with no morals or empathy to make it in this environment? It honestly seems that way because somehow these are always the people who make the most money.

*Edited "desserts"

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u/Ok_Goose_1348 Dec 08 '21 Silver Starry This

Sociopaths are the ultimate capitalists.

Never forget that. That is why they system is broken.

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u/rudolfs_padded_cell Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

And this is the worst part. Not only are sociopaths the ultimate capitalists, but they've found a way to hold the populace hostage to continue their exploitation. God forbid you dare restrain them, think of all the jobs that will be lost.

Edit, a word

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u/Retro_Dad Dec 08 '21

The language of an abuser - "Look what you made me do!"

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u/BeerAndaBackpack Dec 08 '21 Helpful

The system isn't broken, it's functioning exactly as those sociopaths intend it to.

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u/Benedict-Awesome Dec 08 '21

The reality is the CEO probably makes enough to where a few phones and a phone plan is a drop in the bucket. It'll get handled as if it's a perk of the job.

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u/Jadzia-Daxx AnCom Dec 08 '21

That’s because it is lol

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u/Selena_B305 Dec 08 '21 Silver Wholesome

This is illegal and if the hospital receives any federal funding like Medicare. This is actually fraud and can be reported.

https://www.medicare.gov/forms-help-resources/help-fight-medicare-fraud/how-report-medicare-fraud

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

is reporting anonymous?

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u/AbstractBettaFish Dec 08 '21 Silver

Hell I'd even say your local news!

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u/SnooLentils9690 Dec 08 '21

That would be great but I would be concerned about anonymity.

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u/dissimilar_iso_47992 Dec 08 '21

Yeah, the CEO didn’t ask just anyone to order the phones. They asked OP and then they were questioned about it by OP.

If it turns up on the 5 o’clock news, how long would it take to figure out who tipped them off?

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u/Roseysdaddy Dec 08 '21

Im confused about being the only IT guy at the hospital. Is it a hospital for ants?

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u/aj6787 Dec 08 '21

If she only told you about this what good is it being anonymous gonna do?

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u/veggeble Dec 08 '21

They said they forwarded it to the CFO because they're responsible for placing orders. They could always say it must've been the CFO who reported them or gossiped about it to other people.

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u/illkeepcomingback9 Dec 08 '21

CFO and CEO are probably old college buddies

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u/ATragedyOfSorts Dec 08 '21

They could hate each other now tho.

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u/pcj Dec 08 '21

Keep in mind if you are the only one besides the CEO who knows about it and she finds out what exactly is being investigated it's going to be pretty obvious who reported it without that information being revealed by the government.

Hopefully by that point she won't be able to do anything about it, though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Yeah but then you have a wrongful termination suit for a retaliatory dismissal.

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u/jawnly211 Dec 08 '21

They couldn’t fire you on THIS…

….but trust me! They will find another way

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Right but being a whistle blower pretty much means they would need very good reasons.

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u/Ryan_Day_Man Dec 08 '21

If you're the only other person who knows about the iPhones, an anonymous report isn't really anonymous.

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u/NaNa_Na Dec 08 '21

What if it’s a nonprofit organization and we have higher ups who order iPads or other devices that “go missing” aka gifts. Is this illegal too?

Just curious about a place I’ve worked before

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u/accio_caffeine Dec 08 '21

My company will resell ours. So, like a Microsoft tablet used for $500 with a purchase order and receipt. Yalls hospitals are doing some really shady shit....

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u/Dimmer06 Dec 08 '21

Many "non-profits" in the US are like this. There's no shareholders, but the people running it (upper management and trustees) still get fat salaries and bonuses. If a family member needs a job there's suddenly a new managment position. If someone wants something nice like a computer, phone, or even a car they can find room for it in the budget. Charities get scrutinized all the time for high "administrative" budgets but most hospitals are legally charities and they pull the same shenanigans and then charge out the ass for actual medicine.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

They had to be forced just to post their prices online, so that's no surprise.

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u/Selena_B305 Dec 08 '21

All illegal

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u/Ocelotofdamage Dec 08 '21

Of course it's illegal. It's just never really followed up on because the government doesn't have the resources or information to track it all down.

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u/hiagha Dec 08 '21

It’s illegal either way. This is embezzlement and probably tax fraud to boot. Using company money means she is getting compensation without paying taxes on it, as the business will probably write it off as an expense instead of a taxable bonus.

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u/txcatcher Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Party Train Starry Crab Rave

Sounds like those IT fake emails. “Hey its the CEO go buy gift cards for a secret gift!” Should have flagged it as phishing and moved on then she would have asked and you be like “oh we are trained against that stuff” lmao

Edit: wow! My first award ever! Thanks haha

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u/Aurura Dec 08 '21 Silver

Yeah I would do the same. Say it's against protocol and any request for technical devices needs to come through the internal request methods through whatever help desk ticket service you use.

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u/txcatcher Dec 08 '21

Got em! We got em!! Haha

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u/CTRL-ALT-DLTE Dec 09 '21

"Please go in ServiceNow and fill out a form. A ticket will be issued and go through the appropriate approval process and provisioning."

Ezpz

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u/timeslider Dec 08 '21

Our general manager fell for that shit. He bought 3 $50 gift cards for a senior level coworker, he thought. He said he thought it was real because they kept replying back.

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u/txcatcher Dec 08 '21

I have received this email from our CEO and its always like misspelled and shit lmaoo

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u/cheerful_cynic Dec 08 '21

They misspell shit on purpose to make sure they're getting the very easiest most gullible of marks. Anyone who would realize halfway through that it's a scam and not go through, is filtered out with the grammar and spelling

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u/LumpyPumpkin99 Dec 08 '21

For stuff sent to a wide audience, yeah. But targeted phishing attacks to select people in a business like is mentioned above are as accurate as possible bc your target is a professional that might not check the domain carefully enough instead of an elderly person with dementia.

Source: used to work in internal audit for a F200 fintech company

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u/GirlRuuuules Dec 08 '21

This needs to be higher cause it's the real answer

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u/txcatcher Dec 08 '21

OP realizing they got got by their own program right now.. lmao jk

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u/Iwasborninafactory_ Dec 08 '21

This is tomorrow's /r/TIFU. "So yesterday I bought some shit I shouldn't have."

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u/StellaBoss Dec 08 '21

It totally is a phishing email scam. We get those at work from time to time.

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u/lovelesschristine Dec 08 '21

Yeah, your boss can't use company money to buy presents for family. That's fraud...

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u/Affectionate_Ad_3722 Dec 08 '21

Worked with an IT Manager who did it, also over an iPhone. Sacked for it. Absolutely fraud. The hospital's money is not their money.

Report this to the finance director.

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u/chicken_skin9 Dec 08 '21 Silver

This sounds like misappropriation of funds, aka fraud. Also known as stealing. I'd just love to know how this purchase was coded.

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u/bigbuttbradley Dec 08 '21

Office supplies

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u/KaladinTheFabulous Dec 08 '21

Uhhhh I feel like this is illegal somehow

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u/betcher73 Dec 08 '21

If CEO doesn’t own the company, it’s 100% theft.

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u/WickedMonkeyJump Dec 08 '21

It usually is even if the CEO owns the company. It's a form of income and on income they would have to pay taxes. If they don't that's embezzlement from the government and that's way worse than from the company.

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u/betcher73 Dec 08 '21

Yea. It’s tax fraud if he doesn’t claim the income.

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u/skoltroll Dec 08 '21

But at $3900ish at CEO's tax rate, the IRS enforcement will be minimal, unless he's randomly chosen to "send a message" during tax time. Likely a $1500 tax avoidance wouldn't qualify.

And since the IRS is severely understaffed, even less likely.

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u/DepressedElephant SocDem Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Uhh - this is embezzlement.

Edit: Also at this price point it would be a felony.

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u/Canaan_James Dec 08 '21 Silver

You think anyone cares? Every business I have ever worked for has pulled off shit like this. In my first job out of college, the CEO was "paying" her daughter to go to college on the company payroll. Some months she would even get random bonuses, making her yearly salary higher than many of us at the office. I was the only person that knew about this, and when I brought it up, I was laid off immediately.

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u/reddi4reddit2 Dec 08 '21 Silver

Whistleblowers get rewards. I'd tip off the IRS.

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u/bane5454 Dec 08 '21

Say hypothetically I could prove that my former employer’s ceo was buying Amazon products using a company credit card as a “business expense”, and then returning these items for Amazon gift cards that he can use to buy more lavish things, would there be any reward for reporting, and/or would there be any recourse taken against them? I fucking hate these people lol if I could fuck them over in any way I’m gonna. I reported them to the board of labor already after an ex employee reached out to me to vent about not getting his last paycheck because they wanted him to come in and explain in an exit interview why he didn’t want to give 2 weeks notice.

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u/reddi4reddit2 Dec 08 '21

Absolutely! Tax evasion for sure. That's the low hanging fruit.

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u/greg19735 Dec 08 '21

Tax fraud probably is happening as those taxes are being incorrectly written off. but unless it's $10,000+ of fraud happening it wouldn't be even worth looking into for the IRS. The amount of revenue they'd be losing would be tiny. They'd lose money trying to research it.

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u/Tijj Dec 08 '21

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf

filll this out, make sure to check "false deductions" and "unreported income" in Section B

since they are claiming those deductions in the business, and not claiming it as income on the personal side

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u/MidContrast Dec 08 '21

Legally? You are protected from retaliation against reporting wrongdoing. As in if you were fired, you'd have legal recourse in addition to the crimes the hypothetical ceo was commiting. not really sure about whistleblower "rewards", first I've heard of the term. I doubt thats true, or anything worthwhile if true.

Realistically? You'd be fired. The ceo and upper management will hate you. You'll go through lengthy and slow court proceedings if the company doesn't settle you and is willing to fight. You could win your job back, but at that point you'd never want it. All the while, you won't have a job. It's not very easy being the small guy in this situation and you really have to want to fight. It will also bleed you in lawyer and court fees while you're simultaneously looking for work. The company will own you with very good lawyers and easily stretch the court proceedings because they have the money to do so.

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u/ImpossibleCash2569 Dec 08 '21

This would be the ultimate fuck you to the company. I like it.

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u/Raeandray Dec 08 '21

There’s nothing illegal as long as the kid is actually employed by the company. Could employ them as a “consultant” and nothing the IRS can do.

iPhones might be a bit different because they have to be used primarily for work purpose.

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u/reddi4reddit2 Dec 08 '21

Tip off the IRS and let them deal with it

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u/geologean Dec 08 '21

The IRS has been defunded to the point that you're significantly more likely to be audited as someone making <20k/yr than as someone making 200k+/yr.

The duopoly works for the class with enough money to make donations consistently, and it is too convenient not to be deliberate.

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u/MikeGoldberg Dec 08 '21

The IRS is more interested in that $600 cash you just got for a week of hard labor.

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u/jenna_hazes_ass (edit this) Dec 08 '21

Wait youre saying lauren boeberts husband might actually do nothing for that 600k/yr consulting job he got while she was on the campaign trail?

...besides having given them his wifes personal phone number

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u/wausmaus3 Dec 08 '21

Yes, also for a hospital? Where I'm from that is public money, but I'm sure this will be different in the States.

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u/Alternative-Farmer98 Dec 08 '21

It might be public money. It's hard to tell The United States is all a hodgepodge of private and public ownership. We have the worst health care system on the planet. At least among industrial developed nations

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Faith In Humanity Restored

Exactly why i’m hesitant. She would know i said something; Im the only IT guy and she used my personal email rather than the help desk. I forwarded the email to the CFO; he handles orders. NOT MY JOB; right? 😆

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u/Psychosomatic_Addict Dec 08 '21

I don’t provide nor respond to work stuff sent from or to personal emails.

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u/Miramber Dec 08 '21

I assume OP means his direct work email, not a shared IT inbox or something like that.

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u/fogleaf Dec 08 '21

she used my personal email rather than the help desk

Seems intentional.

Unless you mean your office email that bears your name instead of the IT help desk email. But if it was like your gmail address it seems she's intentionally trying to get around the rules.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Dec 08 '21

I forwarded the email to the CFO

The exact correct move

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u/mustbeme87 Dec 08 '21

I used to work for a very large hospital in my town, and they took thing that like this very seriously. In fact, we had an incident that resulted in my boss, his boss, and a couple of employees not only being fired, but having charges pressed against them. Not all businesses just sweep shit under the rug.

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u/betcher73 Dec 08 '21

Yea that’s ok if the CEO owns the company, but it’s fucking illegal if it’s a public company.

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u/Art_Vandeley_4_Pres Dec 08 '21

Even then it could be tax fraud if you write them off as company expenses.

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u/betcher73 Dec 08 '21

Yes. He would have to claim them as “income” or a “perk” to be legal.

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u/shadow247 Dec 08 '21

Likely not. He probably is going to write them off as an expense to lower his taxable income....

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u/betcher73 Dec 08 '21

If he doesn’t owns the company it’s embezzlement. If he does, and claims it as a business expense, it’s tax fraud. If he pays taxes on the phones as though it was a perk, it’s all perfectly legal.

I’m not a lawyer but I’m start enough to know CEO is likely an embezzling POS.

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u/Sandmsounds Dec 08 '21

I live in Michigan and more and more big time folks are going to prison for this, this year.

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u/RelevantIAm Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Is it still embezzlement if the CEO is the sole owner as well?

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u/Goldilocks1454 Dec 08 '21

I would definitely tip the board of directors off.

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u/surfkaboom Dec 08 '21

Order 13 iPhone 3s

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u/JMoney877 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

SCUM

When my boss told me to buy a bunch of tools for our construction job that we didn't need, I put his name as the purchasing authority. He got soooo mad after getting his ass chewed by our owner 🤣 as if I was going to take responsibility for $2 grand in unnecessary tools. The nerve of some fuckin bosses huh

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u/Crohnies Dec 08 '21

That was smart! Always CYA

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u/d_smogh Dec 08 '21

In construction, how much material is over ordered and then used on personal jobs?

Near me a guy works construction and he is slowly building an extention to his house using excess building materials.

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u/firenamedgabe Dec 08 '21

Sometimes it’s on purpose, but a lot of times it’s benign(always order a little more than necessary for a waste factor) or a mistake. Could just be that and if he didn’t take it they would pay money to throw it away.

Source, construction PM have accidentally ordered too much before almost a right of passage

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u/tahlyn Dec 08 '21

Be sure the email really came from the CEO. This is a common scam.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

I initially thought this too and checked her account sign in records. She sent the email from her work office. 😆

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u/tristn9 Dec 08 '21 Wholesome

Idk how much back and forth you’ve already had with her on it but you could use this as an excuse to bring up the illegality of it. “Hey some scammer might have access to your account - tried to get me to send them phones. pretty sure it wasn’t you cause of course that would be illegal but wanted to check”

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u/37MySunshine37 Dec 08 '21

This is the best option.

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u/MelatoninHigh420 Dec 08 '21

If OP does this then I recommend immediately starting a job search. A few weeks might pass and then OP finds themselves laid off for something trivial like clocking in 5 minutes late 6 months ago. Especially if its an at-will employment state.

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u/TeamBadInfluence1 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

This scam happened to me, the email came from my CEO to my work email, and it looked totally fine at first. Report this to IT as a potential scam.

Edit: I missed that OP is the IT team, then report it to HR or the second in command as a potential scam. If this is a business purchase then she shouldn't ask you to use personal funds, and that should be clarified. If it's a scam, then you've raised the alarm.

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u/UnprincipledCanadian Dec 08 '21

They are the entire IT team.

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u/jaggoffsmirnoff Dec 08 '21

Report it to yourself and handle it.

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u/alimighty1 Dec 08 '21

Doesn’t mean anything if someone is remoting into their computer. I’d follow up with a conversation face to face to verify, and then run it by counsels office just to be safe.

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u/niknak68 Dec 08 '21

Male sure you get them tagged with an asset number before you hand them over. r/MaliciousCompliance

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u/Ramjet_NZ Dec 08 '21

Dremmel that number and "Hospital Property" right on there on the screen.

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u/No-Ingenuity4266 Dec 08 '21

Hell, just tell me the hospital and I’ll report it for you.

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u/mega_low_smart Dec 08 '21

My partner (domestic) brokers sales of businesses and tells me when she values a business she has to calculate “take-aways” for things a normal business would never spend money on. So your $200,000 dry cleaning business that loses money every year is actually worth $400,000 once you “take away” the 7 phone lines he pays for his mistresses and the 6 car leases he has for his kids, wife and girlfriend.

This is all done, of course, to do whatever you can to avoid paying taxes even if it means wasting more money that taxes would cost on stupid things. People will write off the craziest things imaginable - speeding tickets, tickets for parking in the loading zone at the airport, Taco Bell lunch receipts, $500/month parking spots, private box at a football stadium, the list goes on.

My personal favorite was a restaurant that also had a massage parlor attached. You could buy a $300 “dinner” and get a free massage that didn’t go on the receipt and most likely came with a happy ending.

Tax deductible human trafficking.

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u/Howard_Campbell Dec 08 '21

I like how you have taco bell lunch receipts added in like it's something that should bring shame.

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u/overzeetop Dec 08 '21

Taco Bell lunch receipts

[Looks at reimbursement request]

[Looks at taco wrappers in the trash can]

Ah, fuck it. They can't track all of us.

[Submits reimbursement anyway]

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u/arsenal_kate Dec 08 '21

Was this by email? Triple check that it was actually your CEO. There’s a common scam of emails pretending to be the boss and asking employees to buy stuff that they’ll reimburse.

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u/shiverslinky Dec 08 '21

Register them on the corporate Apple account, turn on find my iPhone and hit “Play Sound” through iCloud at 2am.

Then lock the phones on Friday evenings.

Might as well have a little fun with it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

🤣 Id just get calls on the weekends then!

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u/_NormalHumanStuff Dec 08 '21

“Sorry, we don’t support personal devices only company ones” 😂

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u/The_Last_Ron1n Dec 08 '21

Perhaps a nice letter to the board of directors would help with that.
Though chances are they're as crooked as her.

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u/TheOrangeKrunch721 Dec 08 '21

Send that up the ladder. I'm sure there are the almighty shareholders she needs to keep happy. Or just call the PD. Anonymous tip.

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u/andrewwism Dec 08 '21

Using company money to buy personal items for yourself? Yes. Illegal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Even worse they’re a nonprofit!!

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u/kittybrat_ Dec 08 '21

Wow... a non profit? 💀evil

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

yup does being an addiction and recovery hospital make it better or worse?

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u/FeistyWalruss Dec 08 '21

Omg. This just gets worse & worse.

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u/chicken_skin9 Dec 08 '21

If they're a non-profit then there is a board chair and a Treasurer. They are her bosses. If you don't want to put yourself in the line of fire, that's totally understandable. But know that there is a governance structure who is responsible for the organization's wellbeing.

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u/IndoorCatSyndrome Dec 08 '21

The IRS and the Board of Directors would love to know about fraud at a nonprofit. SOURCE: I founded a nonprofit

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u/andrewwism Dec 08 '21

Oh man. I mean I understand if it was a business expense. Like phones for employees for work use but this is just blatant embezzlement.

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u/surprisetrousers Dec 08 '21

This is at a non profit????? This is totally inappropriate. CEOs have boards they report to. It doesn’t matter that she is on the board, she reports to them. Let them know, otherwise you are complicit in this fraud.

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u/surprisetrousers Dec 08 '21

Unless this chick owns the company outright, you need to tell someone. Is there a whistleblower hotline? A board of directors?

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u/DepressedElephant SocDem Dec 08 '21

Even if they do - it's tax fraud. They cannot use company funds to buy gifts for their family as this would be claiming them as a business expense rather than taxed income.

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u/surprisetrousers Dec 08 '21

We don’t know is the CEO is counting this as a fringe benefit. It isn’t necessarily tax fraud. But it might be.

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u/DepressedElephant SocDem Dec 08 '21

Correct - if the CEO is going to payroll and declaring the iphones prices as part of their income and getting taxes for their cost - ok fine.

But somehow I really really doubt that this is what is happening here.

Then there is the issue of the IT guy doing a personal non work related task for the CEO.

One of the places I worked at, the CTO wanted a gaming PC built and had the helpdesk guy build him one - CTO provided the parts and just told the helpdesk guy to work on it during his 'downtime'.

Needless to say a giant watercooled $7k gaming rig being assembled in the open area where helpdesk resided didn't go unnoticed and the COO had an absolute fit over it. Helpdesk guy ended up having to claim the hours worked on the PC separately and CTO paid for them out of pocket - from the COO perspective the CTO was requesting company staff to work on non work related activities at company expense.

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u/Bw4ts Dec 08 '21

Yeah fuck that noise.

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u/starchypasta Dec 08 '21

This sounds like a scam. Did they ask you to buy apple gift cards? Lol

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