r/energy 4d ago Facepalm 2 Defeated 1

Biden calls for three-month federal gas tax "holiday"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gax-tax-holiday-biden-three-months-congress/
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u/Mass_Emu_Casualties 3d ago Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

So stupid. Those taxes go towards fixing infrastructure. Meanwhile the oil companies have RECORD FUCKING PROFITS.

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago edited 3d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Heartwarming Bravo Grande!

/r/uninsurable

Germany replaced all shut down nuclear with wind and solar so the idea they replaced it by coal is actually just a lie propagated by the misinformed

Germany is showing an excellent case study of why nuclear is unnecessary and replaceable by wind and solar.

wind+solar in 2002: 16.26 TWh

wind+solar in 2021: 161.65 TWh

German coal (brown+hard) in 2002: 251.97 TWh (Brown 140.54 TWh)

German coal (brown+hard) in 2021: 145 TWh (Brown 99.11 TWh)

German nuclear in 2002: 156.29 TWh

German nuclear in 2021: 65.37 TWh

Source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&interval=year&year=-1&chartColumnSorting=default&stacking=stacked_absolute

This graph shows it in a different way https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/IMG/pdf/72._figure_72_germany_evopowersystem2010_2020updated.pdf

Decreasing CO2 in electricity sector: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-greenhouse-gas-emissions-and-climate-targets

2nd highest reliability in Europe after Switzerland (and much less downtime than France)

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-electricity-grid-stable-amid-energy-transition

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/power-outages-germany-continue-decline-amid-growing-share-renewables

The only reason you see posts on reddit about nuclear all the time is a coordinated astroturfing campaign

In 2004, NEI (Nuclear Energy Institute) was embarrassed when the Austin Chronicle outed one of its PR firms, Potomac Communications Group, for ghostwriting pro-nuclear op/ed columns. The paper described the op/ed campaign as "a decades-long, centrally orchestrated plan to defraud the nation's newspaper readers by misrepresenting the propaganda of one hired atomic gun as the learned musings of disparate academics and other nuclear-industry 'experts.'"

FirstEnergy is behind hundreds of pages of largely ghostwritten comments seeking bailouts for the utility’s failing coal and nuclear power plants that were submitted to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).

while Professional actors were paid by nuclear operator Entergy to appear at public meetings and clap whenever someone said something negative about wind and solar

and in South Carolina Consumer Energy Alliance sent fraudulent e-mails to state legislators bearing the names and addresses of residents who later said they were impersonated...The e-mails advocated a plan by the Dominion Energy power company to purchase SCANA Corporation, a utility holding company, and denounced legislation that would prevent SCANA from charging customers billions of dollars for a nuclear plant that had recently been abandoned midway through construction.

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u/MattofCatbell 3d ago

Doesn’t solve the issue and creates more problems in the future. The American way!

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago edited 3d ago Silver

Do I vote for vanilla oligarchy or fascist oligarchy in 2024. Decisions Decisions

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago

If a tank went from 40 to 80 to fill, he thinks this $5 off will help?

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u/GA_MERRILL 3d ago

A bandaid on a bullet wound. Half-assed and meant to fail.

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u/Probablyabot65278 3d ago Helpful

Can we have a three month Biden holiday, go away for a while dude

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u/SloppyinSeattle 3d ago

Don’t gas taxes pay for infrastructure, including public transit?

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u/xXMrSkinXx 3d ago

Not this tax. It lines the fat man. Also we won't reap the benefits, they will.

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago

This will save people maybe ten dollars a month

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u/SimulatedHumanity 3d ago

I’ll give you pennies, hahahahaa!

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u/divinbuff 3d ago

Which will save about 10.00 a month for the average consumer and put the federal highway fund even further in the red for road repairs.

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u/SevereShelter4896 3d ago

I’d vote for Biden over tRump or Desantis every day of the week and twice on Sunday. All these dummies blaming gas prices on the President can’t think of a single Biden policy that caused the high prices. Just nutball Faux News idiots

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u/overxpose 3d ago

Biden uhhh banned Russian oil - which caused prices to rise even higher

So there’s that…

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u/TheSouthWind 3d ago

Canceling the pipeline?

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u/palemilkdud 3d ago

He’s like 90 dude needs to retire

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u/sleepkingzzzz 3d ago

This is the most I've seen Biden out and about.

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u/Shootthemoon4 3d ago

I don’t think a 20 cent drop per gallon will help me much, I’m glad I’m in a car that averages 34 miles a gallon compared to before 2018 but I miss spending $2 per gallon and getting a full tank under $25 bucks. What used to be $100 a month in gas on a bad day is now over as much as twice as much

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago edited 3d ago Bravo Grande!

nuclear is an opportunity cost; it actively harms decarbonization given the same investment in wind or solar would offset more CO2

"In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss"

Nuclear power's contribution to climate change mitigation is and will be very limited;Currently nuclear power avoids 2–3% of total global GHG emissions per year;According to current planning this value will decrease even further until 2040.;A substantial expansion of nuclear power will not be possible.;Given its low contribution, a complete phase-out of nuclear energy is feasible.

It is too slow for the timescale we need to decarbonize on.

“Stabilizing the climate is urgent, nuclear power is slow,” “It meets no technical or operational need that low-carbon competitors cannot meet better, cheaper and faster.”

“Researchers found that unlike renewables, countries around the world with larger scale national nuclear attachments do not tend to show significantly lower carbon emissions -- and in poorer countries nuclear programmes actually tend to associate with relatively higher emissions. “

The industry is showing signs of decline in non-totalitarian countries.

"We find that an eroding actor base, shrinking opportunities in liberalized electricity markets, the break-up of existing networks, loss of legitimacy, increasing cost and time overruns, and abandoned projects are clear indications of decline. Also, increasingly fierce competition from natural gas, solar PV, wind, and energy-storage technologies speaks against nuclear in the electricity sector. We conclude that, while there might be a future for nuclear in state-controlled ‘niches’ such as Russia or China, new nuclear power plants do not seem likely to become a core element in the struggle against climate change."

Renewable energy is growing faster now than nuclear ever has

"Contrary to a persistent myth based on erroneous methods, global data show that renewable electricity adds output and saves carbon faster than nuclear power does or ever has."

There is no business case for it.

"The economic history and financial analyses carried out at DIW Berlin show that nuclear energy has always been unprofitable in the private economy and will remain so in the future. Between 1951 and 2017, none of the 674 nuclear reactors built was done so with private capital under competitive conditions. Large state subsidies were used in the cases where private capital flowed into financing the nuclear industry.... Financial investment calculations confirmed the trend: investing in a new nuclear power plant leads to average losses of around five billion euros."

Investing in a nuclear plant today is expected to lose 5 to 10 billion dollars

The nuclear industry can't even exist without legal structures that privatize gains and socialize losses.

If the owners and operators of nuclear reactors had to face the full liability of a Fukushima-style nuclear accident or go head-to-head with alternatives in a truly competitive marketplace, unfettered by subsidies, no one would have built a nuclear reactor in the past, no one would build one today, and anyone who owns a reactor would exit the nuclear business as quickly as possible.

The CEO of one of the US's largest nuclear power companies said it best:

"I'm the nuclear guy," Rowe said. "And you won't get better results with nuclear. It just isn't economic, and it's not economic within a foreseeable time frame."

What about the small meme reactors?

Every independent assessment has them more expensive than large scale nuclear

every independent assessment:

The UK government

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/small-modular-reactors-techno-economic-assessment

The Australian government

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8297e6ba-e3d4-478e-ac62-a97d75660248&subId=669740

The peer-reviewed literatue

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030142152030327X

the cost of generating electricity using SMRs is significantly higher than the corresponding costs of electricity generation using diesel, wind, solar, or some combination thereof. These results suggest that SMRs will be too expensive for these proposed first-mover markets for SMRs in Canada and that there will not be a sufficient market to justify investing in manufacturing facilities for SMRs.

Even the German nuclear power industry knows they will cost more

Nuclear Technology Germany (KernD) says SMRs are always going to be more expensive than bigger reactors due to lower power output at constant fixed costs, as safety measures and staffing requirements do not vary greatly compared to conventional reactors. "In terms of levelised energy costs, SMRs will always be more expensive than big plants."

So why do so many people on reddit favor it? Because of a decades long PR campaign and false science being put out, in the same manner, style, and using the same PR company as the tobacco industry used when claiming smoking does not cause cancer.

A recent metaanalysis of papers that claimed nuclear to be cost effective were found to be illegitimately trimming costs to make it appear cheaper.

Merck suppressed data on harmful effects of its drug Vioxx, and Guidant suppressed data on electrical flaws in one of its heart-defibrillator models. Both cases reveal how financial conflicts of interest can skew biomedical research. Such conflicts also occur in electric-utility-related research. Attempting to show that increased atomic energy can help address climate change, some industry advocates claim nuclear power is an inexpensive way to generate low-carbon electricity. Surveying 30 recent nuclear analyses, this paper shows that industry-funded studies appear to fall into conflicts of interest and to illegitimately trim cost data in several main ways. They exclude costs of full-liability insurance, underestimate interest rates and construction times by using “overnight” costs, and overestimate load factors and reactor lifetimes. If these trimmed costs are included, nuclear-generated electricity can be shown roughly 6 times more expensive than most studies claim. After answering four objections, the paper concludes that, although there may be reasons to use reactors to address climate change, economics does not appear to be one of them.

It is the same PR technique that the tobacco industry used when fighting the fact that smoking causes cancer.

The industry campaign worked to create a scientific controversy through a program that depended on the creation of industry–academic conflicts of interest. This strategy of producing scientific uncertainty undercut public health efforts and regulatory interventions designed to reduce the harms of smoking.

A number of industries have subsequently followed this approach to disrupting normative science. Claims of scientific uncertainty and lack of proof also lead to the assertion of individual responsibility for industrially produced health risks

It is no wonder the NEI (Nuclear energy institute) uses the same PR firm to promote nuclear power, that the tobacco industry used to say smoking does not cause cancer.

The industry's future is so precarious that Exelon Nuclear's head of project development warned attendees of the Electric Power 2005 conference, "Inaction is synonymous with being phased out." That's why years of effort -- not to mention millions of dollars -- have been invested in nuclear power's PR rebirth as "clean, green and safe."

And then there's NEI, which exists to do PR and lobbying for the nuclear industry. In 2004, NEI was embarrassed when the Austin Chronicle outed one of its PR firms, Potomac Communications Group, for ghostwriting pro-nuclear op/ed columns. The paper described the op/ed campaign as "a decades-long, centrally orchestrated plan to defraud the nation's newspaper readers by misrepresenting the propaganda of one hired atomic gun as the learned musings of disparate academics and other nuclear-industry 'experts.'"

for more facts about nuclear power check out /r/uninsurable

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u/Alefgard5 3d ago

Fill ups went from $30 to $75 and he thinks taking $2 off a tank is a big help 😆

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u/TheDruidVandals 3d ago

Ah yes, the office pizza party maneuver

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u/kaptain-spaulding 3d ago

.18 gee thanks….just kidding

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u/goddollars 3d ago

JPM said it’d work out to be $20 total. 😱

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u/whereyouat101 3d ago

Tesla was the best choice I ever made for a car. 7 1/2 years no fuel worries.

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u/callmeehtimmy 3d ago

Buying a Tesla was the best financial and political decision Ive made.

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u/gtlgdp 3d ago

I would've thought that two years ago before the price hikes. A Model 3 is not worth $58,000 with no refund tax credit

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u/sirbobbledoonary 3d ago

Waiting for ours. It can’t come soon enough.

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u/AssFlax69 3d ago

Political? Not sure bout that one, seein the way Tesla and Musk in general is headed

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u/SergeantGroosh 3d ago

This is like when Walmart raises the price by 80c then "rolls it back" 30c and goes "Well, are you gonna say thank you?"

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u/SergeantGroosh 3d ago

This is like when Walmart raises the price by 80c then "rolls it back" 30c and goes "Well, are you gonna say thank you?"

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u/hopbow 3d ago

Not quite, as the gas tax goes to things that matter rather the Walton’s pockets

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u/joelrhymes 3d ago

No. We effed ourselves. We added sanctions that screwed supply to the west, the Ruble is now at an all time high vs USD and now they have more money and more power.

Top level stuff by our leaders here.

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u/TheBrettFavre4 3d ago

Am Texan, can confirm. All it takes is 1 gulf hurricane to ruin it all for everybody. We’ve been fortunate so far this year.

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u/Emergency-Anywhere51 3d ago Take My Energy

remember that scared conservative Democratic voters who believed the "Socialism" boogeyman chose this guy over Bernie when they had the absolute golden opportunity to do something good for once in their lives

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u/Reapersqp 3d ago

Not guaranteed Bernie could have beaten Trump, but I preferred Bernie as well.

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u/Dameon_ 3d ago

I think at that point so many people were voting against Trump more than for Biden, you probably could have put a literal turnip forward as the Dem candidate and people would have pounded that D on the ballot anyway. Don't even try to tell me anybody who voted Biden over Trump would have picked Trump over Bernie.

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u/Legitimate_Peach3135 3d ago

Ok so, how did Biden raise gas prices throughout Europe and Asia. Oh wait that’s right, it was crazy Russia who started a war that trump was helping them by trying to disestablish nato. Oh and also his tax cuts for corporations that never sunset but ours did remarkably at the exact time of a new president.

Also big oil not reducing their rates while recording record profits, because they want Biden to look bad for another repug to get in office to dial down harder.

Learn how to read people

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u/No_Hovercraft8054 3d ago

Hahahahahahaha

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u/sleepkingzzzz 3d ago

Next thing this guy is going to say the earth is flat for some stupid reason

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u/Evanje53 3d ago

What a pathetic solution. The whole system, both parties totally fixed to favor big oil and elitists.

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u/KWBizzie 3d ago

Easy, nationalize gas and natural resource production. Everyone is a capitalist until gas prices go down to a dollar.

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u/ProperProgram710 3d ago

Look how that worked out for Mexico

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u/combustiblelemons9 3d ago

Look how that worked out for (insert third world country with extreme corruption)

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u/ProperProgram710 3d ago

You’re right, let’s open our country up to it! It couldn’t possibly happen here

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u/PussyBender 3d ago

I have some bad news for you...

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u/Cheapchard9 3d ago

Government:. Let's take off the .20 tax.

Oil companies:. Let's put back on that .20, everyone is used to it.

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u/therealpandasmuggler 3d ago

That’s not even how it works… plus look at New York, research shows the consumer IS saving the extra .18 cents or whatever and isn’t being pocketed by GAS companies, not oil lol

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u/kamalasspeechskills 3d ago

I remember when Obama was super against this. I'm sure he's not now. Narrative and all.

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u/r1100rs 3d ago

What a joke.

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u/Jinhuo 3d ago

Ya! Can you believe Biden caused high gas prices all over the world. What a dementia patient. Me too since I forgot he controls thr worlds gas supply.

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u/jc8277 3d ago

Gas prices were already up 1.50 across the country before anything with Russia began, Biden halted alot of projects that gave us far more energy independence, I'm all for reducing our reliance on fossil fuels but relying on other countries with far shakier morals (china, Russia, OPEC etc) is no way to do it

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u/SaNiTyLoSsAgE 3d ago

Lol yours were already gone voting for a potato 🥔

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u/Toiletpapercorndog 3d ago

Either a potato or an orange. They're both stupid, but I like potatoes better.

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u/SaNiTyLoSsAgE 3d ago

Ill take a orange no inflation low fuel prices not blaming everything on putin 😂

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u/Amarangel 3d ago

Choices were sentient potato and a chemical filled, maggot infested potato. Not exactly great.

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u/SaNiTyLoSsAgE 3d ago

The maggot was doing great well minus making you butt hurt but that don’t matter clearly orange man was better then in all aspects

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u/Competitive-Gene-874 3d ago

He said he was going to be a Uniter, and pretty much everybody is like” fuck this guy”.

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u/FlostonParadise 3d ago

What? It's a god-damned congressional issue. Where are they?

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u/SeniorMillenial 3d ago

We have regular press conferences again and transparency into the White House. It isn’t good enough, but fuck, it’s something.

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u/HideNZeke 3d ago

I'm not going to put the bar through the floor and be happy we cleared it

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u/MetalicDagger 3d ago

For the right reasons, mostly, though.

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u/Emergency-Anywhere51 3d ago

"right reasons"

ie giving the Republicans an easy victory so they can continue to campaign against them and collect millions from the exact same corporate donors

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u/MetalicDagger 3d ago

Both sides of the spectrum are getting paid for “your vote”, but when you have enough oopsies in office people are ready for the next guy. Think of our last two term presidents- it was a shit show but a definitively managed shit show.

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u/Consistent-Duty-2387 3d ago

Prices still won't go down because the big oil companies still want to make record profits year after year.

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u/Handy_Not_Handsome 3d ago

And there is not a provision to pass this on to the consumer. (Souce: on NPR during my commute home)

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u/nathanlikewhoa 3d ago

Shit doesn’t help people riding the bus

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u/Shrugging_Atlas1 3d ago

When do we stop fucking around and build the nuclear power plants?

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u/golemsheppard2 3d ago

Jill Stein and the hardcore progressives would never allow it.

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u/HideNZeke 3d ago

Ah yes the important, powerful, and influential Jill Stein will wag her finger and any nuclear plan will crumble

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u/SergeantSlumberparty 3d ago

Aren’t progressives simps for nuclear?

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u/SeniorMillenial 3d ago

Who the fuck cares what Jill Stein thinks? If she is using the word progressive to define herself that doesn’t make it so. Plenty of progressives support Nuclear energy.

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u/Tshoe77 3d ago

Why wouldn't they?

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u/Underslug_ 3d ago

Why not? Nuclear energy is very clean and probably humanity’s best bet at creating a post-fossil fuel world eventually

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u/PantryVigilante 3d ago

You just answered your own question

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u/RiverJumper84 3d ago

Thanks, O'Biden.

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u/Status_Neat7729 3d ago

This shows EXACTLY how big a fool this guy really is....lets make the states pay for my bad policies!!!

edit: b/c he requested the same happen for all states.

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u/SalsaSpade 3d ago

What policies has Biden passed which have affected gas prices? I'm not being argumentative, I genuinely don't know.

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u/Guy-McDo 3d ago

He did release some federal reserves to hold back the increasing price for a little bit. It did something but not enough. Cancelling Keystone’s expansion might come up but if memory serves, that’s Canadian Oil getting exported so the only people that’s helping is Canada. Without sucking off the Saudis or being ultra-interventionist, I don’t know what he could do.

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u/tjdavids 3d ago

Well kind of the only ones that had any impact would have been releasing some of the stategic oil reserves. Some talking head economist said that it could lower the price by about 15¢a gallon, but that wouldn't even last as long as the tap was supposed to be open.

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u/babyyodaisamazing98 3d ago

He’s drained the strategic reserve by 50% already over the last 4 months.

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u/tjdavids 3d ago

Yeah I don't remember how long they said it would be open at the time but it was def less than 4 months.

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u/Famous-Tiger-9242 3d ago

Well I know that because of Biden being pro Iran, the Saudi government is not very keen on increasing production rn

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u/Emergency-Anywhere51 3d ago

or conversely what potential Executive Orders has he not signed

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u/MaxSmart1981 3d ago

Which bad policies in particular are you referring to, that you think have caused gas prices to go up worldwide?

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u/yahou11 3d ago

I don’t know exact polices but Biden cancelling pipes like XL and cancelling drilling contracts in the US while also allowing Russia to continue its pipeline through to Germany that was heavily sanctioned previously so much so that it was at a near halt have resulted in Europes dependency on Russian oil. This pipe the Russians built bypassed the country the Russia needed in order to get oil to Europe which is Ukraine. This allowance of the new oil pipe to be built is a big reason if not the biggest one which led to the invasion of ukraine by Russia. This invasion had caused higher gas prices but could’ve been avoided had Biden been tougher on russian and allowed American energy production to continue with its own natural gas.

On top of all this there are many speeches Biden has given before and during his presidency that basically say out loud his plan to kill our dependence on oil without any type of plan in place to help solve energy price issues during.

Sorry I am not providing sources to speeches or anything like that. I don’t have the time or patience for all that. I’m just letting you know it’s out there.

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u/MaxSmart1981 3d ago

I'm a bit confused, if the pipeline wasn't built, that wouldn't have increased prices. It would have kept them at the same rate. Also, I read the majority of us oil comes from Canada and Mexico, so I'm not really sure how any of the canceled contracts and all that impacts the price of oil.

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u/yahou11 3d ago

If we built the keystone XL pipeline it would have allowed for oil from Canada I believe to be brought down easier without need of trucks and such. I believe this is what it was meant for. The contacts being cancelled concerning American drilling companies is preventing new land and seas from being drilled.this creates a lack of our own oil production. Many claim under Trump we were energy independent for the first time. Others dispute this but I believe for the most part to be true we were independent. (I will add it is definitely easier to do that while a lot of people weren’t driving due to Covid)

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u/whynot26847 3d ago

He’s secretly Putin pissed about the sanctions

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u/Singular1st 3d ago

Oh wow so it’s not the govt being greedy then

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u/FeeSuspicious1589 3d ago

Another recommendation that he really can’t do. And he will blame congress

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u/n00b1shx3 3d ago

Mid president

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

I support high gas prices and Russian puppets

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u/MetalicDagger 3d ago

If you think him being mid is equatable to OP supporting Russian puppets and high gas prices- you may need to develop a better method for arguing or portraying a comedic point!

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

Biden is good for suggesting this

I agree

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u/GolemofForce8402 3d ago

dang this comment section kinda based. No hivemind here for once

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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 3d ago

Seems sorta hivemind, just on the other side.

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u/uberhappyfuntime 3d ago

Seriously? This comment section is a dumpster fire

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u/yahou11 3d ago

It’s honestly very nice for once. Toxicity on other subs is terrible.

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u/Mechinova 3d ago

Yeah no shit nobody worships Biden like the con man dictator orange guy and is actually critical of the bad shit he does instead of blindly following and cheering for everything he does, shouldn't even be a surprise

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u/kamalasspeechskills 3d ago

It's so great watching extreme left lose their shit and not talk about the topic at hand but just immediately talk about Trump, who's not in office.

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u/Mechinova 3d ago

Part of a hive for criticizing the bad shit presidents and government and businesses do? I believe you're part of the hive to think that.

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u/GolemofForce8402 3d ago

Your blind weird trump rant is something every main sub does. You’re a drone. bored now

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u/coinbasesucks_51 3d ago

Can we get a 2 year and 5 month "holiday" from Senile Joe? Please.

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u/metalman7 3d ago

Except that ain't gonna happen. Your gas will be $120, oil companies will pick up 3 extra bucks by raising prices a dime and and the govt will have less money for road maintenance. It's a clever way to not solve a problem and make another one all in one go.

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u/CyberMatrix87 3d ago

That’s $117, after is passes, which it won’t. Shame, that could buy a slurpy. I think, if inflation hasn’t hit it too hard yet.

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u/wombatnoodles 3d ago

Idiot and anyone who would vote for him again

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u/cdrom152 3d ago

So a republican president would reign in these prices right?

...right?

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u/Egg_Salty 3d ago

Can't say I prefer the alternative lol

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u/Emergency-Anywhere51 3d ago

there will literally always be "the alternative" so stop using that as an excuse

if it isn't trump it will always be someone else

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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 3d ago

So the alternative sill always suck? Is that the argument you're trying to make?

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u/ArrMatey42 3d ago

If he gets primaried by a better challenger I'd be interested in voting against his opponent. But if he runs in the general, I'd take him over Trump or Desantis easy. Not that I'd be very happy about voting for him again

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u/yahou11 3d ago

Biden has led us into a crisis within 1 and a half years. Please do not give him another 4 on top of the 2+ remaining. Mean tweets > pandering any day.

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u/ArrMatey42 3d ago

I was in London recently and they've been suffering high gas prices/inflation recently as well. Even worse than the US actually

Is Biden responsible for that crisis too?

I don't care much for the mean tweets, but I'm more concerned about having a president who actively tried to overturn an election. I don't think that's good for American democracy

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u/GruesumGary 3d ago

I'm so sick of this excuse. We allowed them to push Bernie out... also you act like there isn't other parties to vote for? Typical American bullshit over and over again. Hold these people accountable! Make a ruckus! Organize, Unionize, hell talk to your neighbors for once in your life! Stop going to work, stop paying bills, stop filling up the tank and stop buying shit you don't need! If we all agreed to do this for a week, shit would change real quick!

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u/StayInRole 3d ago

So Dems, you have been given this midterm election saving abortion issue.

How will you fuck up a sure win now?

We will forgive a small portion of interest on student loans and an insignificant amount at the pump until the election.

Ahh the piss off everybody approach, that will do it.

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u/retroboat 3d ago

Like getting one extra fry in your happy meal 🍟

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u/rickcanty 3d ago

Simple fact - Biden hates this country and its legal citizens.

Anyone defending this impostor at this point, is an America hating Soros cult follower.

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u/kamalasspeechskills 3d ago

Soros legit is on some world domination shit

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u/Smackdaddy122 3d ago

Never go full retard

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u/rickcanty 3d ago

I paid $1.69 for gas on election day 2020 and filled up for $21 with Trump in Office. Now, with China Joe it is $4.69 and $61. That is $40 I can't spend on groceries. This is called hyper runaway inflation - and it is on China Joe and the Dems.

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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 3d ago

Dude, there are several factors involved with both of those prices. Please try to go past reductive reasoning that says " this didn't happen with Trump, but it's happening now, so it must be Biden". Inflation and gas prices are up all over the world. That means it's literally not just Biden

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u/Extra_Elderberry867 3d ago

You don't understand how the economy works do you? You paid 1.69$ in gas in 2020 because there was a pandemic and demand was in the fucking tank. And there wasn't a war with Russia going on. Good god you are one dense mother fucker.

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u/Intelligent_Try_4927 3d ago

Fuck Biden

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

Trump in prison by end of year

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u/kamalasspeechskills 3d ago

But not hilary ofcourse. Someone who's legit had people killed. And actually collided with Russia. Like proven fact LOL

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u/Cameronalloneword 3d ago

Why did you bring up Trump? The topic is Joe Biden and your automatic response was to succumb to your Orange man bad syndrome because that’s how you were trained to respond to any criticism of Biden like the puppet that you are. There’s plenty of reasons to hate Trump but there is absolutely nothing good about Joe Biden and that’s the topic at hand.

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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 3d ago

Biden sucks and Orange man bad. But seriously, the gas prices and inflation are not solely because of Biden. Shits happening all over the world, that means its not a direct result of current policies. Not to mention that democrats have brought up bills to try to alleviate these issues even slightly and it gets shutdown by republicans each time

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u/kamalasspeechskills 3d ago

Anytime something negative is said on reddit about a democratic politician. The toxic ass people come out and talk negative about Trump, mainly because there is NOTHING positive about biden.

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u/fallleaves14 3d ago

"absolutely nothing good about Joe Biden" lol sure buddy. Just the fact that he's not an incompetent delusional narcissist like TFG is at least "something good".

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

On tape committing election fraud in Georgia.

Multiple years in prison. Felon. Can’t vote, let alone be on the ballot. Will likely wither away, thinning significantly and spend his remaining years using walkers on house arrest.

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u/BiigfootVA 3d ago

This guy….JFC…

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u/Televators1 3d ago

Hahaha. Absolutely, without question oil companies will absorb this relief with higher prices. What the fuck are we gonna to do, vote them out? It's a cartel they can do whatever they want and since they own every member of Congress, there are no consequences. The president of the United States can only ask feebly for them to "pass the savings on". What a farce. Equally as farcical is the GOP bawking at a tax cut- Funny, the one time they are opposed to one.

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u/macattackpro 3d ago

Biden: “Let’s have a gas tax holiday” Oil companies: “Let’s raise gas prices 18¢”

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u/cslagenhop 3d ago

That $.18/gal will change my life.

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u/Affectionate_Hold_1 3d ago

If Biden was smart, the Dems, WHO CONTROL CONGRESS, would tax the ever living fuck out of windfall profits.

.... If.

We need a third party yesterday.

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u/fallleaves14 3d ago

... and all Senate Republicans and probably Manchin and Sinema would vote against it because making Biden look bad is most important.

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

Why doesn’t Bernie do something?

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u/Ricky_Goat_518 3d ago

He tried. They literally organized as a whole against him. The system is rigged. Bernie was the clear favorite halfway through the debates, then Warren dropped out and everyone following that, just absurdly teamed up with Biden to ass blast Bernie.

No one’s ideas and beliefs will EVER align with all of our individual ideas and beliefs, but the fact this “democracy” has a two party system and is all controlled by how much money you bring in, is just fundamentally flawed to its core. It’s a pay to win game where it’s either “this or that”. That’s what they have all of us believing and it’s fucking sad.

Shit won’t change until we make it, unfortunately that is the sad truth.

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u/doodman_ 3d ago

Why did he give up? He’s one of the longest serving politicians — what legislation has he done yet?

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u/Ricky_Goat_518 3d ago

He didn’t have a choice. That’s another problem with the system. You need to get the “nomination” from your party. The dems were not going to give him the nom. He had to back out. If he was to run as an independent or whatever, he would of gotten slightly more votes than Kanye.

This is once again my point about how America works.

This or that, no grey, no in between whatsoever.

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u/OrionsHandBasket 3d ago

You put waaaay too much emphasis on that "who controls congress." By the numbers, sure, JUST. But realistically, they don't.

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u/sin0118 3d ago

Biden is a terrible president

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u/Valdotain_1 3d ago

Why? No Q theories allowed.

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u/xCrypt0Catx 3d ago

You honestly don't think trump was any better? All the presidents are lairs and chester.

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u/xCrypt0Catx 3d ago

Why is gas more expensive in all the other countries or did Joe Biden do that? You do not understand economics of the world you live on unless you are trolling me mate. It's 50/50 here haha

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u/Ricky_Goat_518 3d ago

That wasn’t a serious response right? You actually understand a president and the correlation between gas prices are absolutely no where to be found right? They literally don’t control it, big oil does. Get a clue bud

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u/-Har1eKing- 3d ago

Gas was half thr price

And how the fuck is that the presidents fault?

God people who think Biden has control of gas prices are fucking retarded

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u/Strobetrode 3d ago

No one said that. You are doing that thing where one person says "I love pancakes" and asking them why they hate waffles.

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u/DES_STROY_YAH 3d ago Silver Take My Energy Giggle

Do I vote for vanilla oligarchy or fascist oligarchy in 2024. Decisions Decisions

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u/Affectionate_Hold_1 3d ago

I'm about to go full Brandon!

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u/indianplayers 3d ago

Lemme guess... the oil companies meeting didn't go well?

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u/dknat 3d ago

behold, the democracy of the U.S

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u/US3RN4M3T4K3NH0W 3d ago

Goddammit Biden. Stop fucking up or else the people might vote for Trump and then we'll be truly fucked.

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u/macattackpro 3d ago

Nobody is voting for either of them next round

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u/Grazedaze 3d ago Wholesome

Wait, who is this? Sweeping in from left stage!?

BY GAWD! ITS BERNIE SANDERS!!!

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u/grahamk1 3d ago

Can we just not with these old ass dudes.

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u/FamiliarEnemy 3d ago

Oooo a truce? I can get behind this idea.

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u/moopower93 3d ago

No, the Trumpers all want Desantis, who's worse.

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u/macattackpro 3d ago

I’ll run next election under the slogan “Something different”.

That or we can do President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho.

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u/FamiliarEnemy 3d ago

I like money

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u/rabidantidentyte 3d ago Helpful

Better undo those spending bills that are counting on appropriated funds from gas taxes then.

Dumbest shit ever.

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u/ValharikGaming 3d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Starry To The Stars

Don't bother with the comments. This is too complicated of a subject for a bunch of randos on Reddit.

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u/grahamk1 3d ago

Let’s raid the treasury for the sake of a headline that’ll buy us goodwill from stupid people for 12 hours. Also, if we want the price of oil to drop in the long term, why remove the tax and prop up demand? Are we never going to have a gas tax ever again? It’s runs directly counter to what the fed wants to do. It’s increases demand when we’re trying to pull every level to lower demand.

Also, the sooner we get the American electorate to understand that the President isn’t King of Everything and there are things outside his control, the better. Why would Biden want to claim that he has any power over gas prices? Just don’t get involved! Every politician reaches for this lever, and it’s so frustrating. It makes zero difference to the consumer.

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u/jcdoe 3d ago

I don’t know what people expect Biden to do.

The only factor in the price of gas that he controls is the gas tax. He’s also released some of our emergency gas reserves, but realistically there isn’t enough in reserve to make a difference.

I’d love to hear what the MAGAs or the Bernie Bros would do if they were in the White House. Because as near as I can tell, Biden is doing all that he can.

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u/Birdman-82 3d ago

I feel like I’m in a maga sub…

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u/persnotkotti 3d ago

Amen brotha.

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u/surferdude8787 3d ago I'll Drink to That

Worst president ever.

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u/skinnereatsit 3d ago edited 3d ago Gold

Not as bad as the guy that tried and failed to overthrow our government

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u/Fast-Cookie8249 3d ago

Hahah jan6th was toothless and was at best a small riot. Delusional 🤣

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u/Strobetrode 3d ago

First of all I am not reading that. But also does Exxon cut you check for that? Is it good money? because I am struggling...

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u/ProBluntRoller 3d ago

If the pass the savings on to the consumer is just a worse version of trickle down economics. If my ai t had a duck she’d be my uncle but here we are

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u/kamjaxx 3d ago edited 3d ago Ally

Just gonna be more fossil industry profits

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u/nurgle1 3d ago

Corporations are untouchable.

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u/Dysthymiccrusader91 3d ago

What's stopping gas companies from just adding that cost into the pump themselves?

What happened to thr legislation on gas prices? ExxonMobil agree to pay for Biden's campaign in 2024 or something?

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