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Do not support "Quartz", the new NFT Ubisoft marketplace

I can't stress this enough. We have to stand against this practice. It will be worse than loot boxes if we allow it to infest gaming.

This is just another way to nickel and dime players with cosmetics rather than focusing on making quality products with depth.

We have to let companies know this is anti-consumer.

Edit - Some extra context as to why they are so bad using my replies to some people in this thread:

All the focus will be put on NFTs. All the good cosmetics will be NFTs. Only those who can afford it will have cool things. Its just another way to chop up content and sell it for extra.

Resources and time will be invested into making shallow experiences that are conduits for shitty marketplaces and cosmetics instead of focusing on making quality games.

It's been happening for years with microtransactions and loot boxes.

NFTs are a step too far.

Edit 2: I'm not entirely against the concept of using an NFT style system for digital games. For example, actually owning your digital copy rather than just a license so you can sell it to another users account. That's actually the future of digital gaming.

What I'm against is how Ubisoft are doing it with in-game items.

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u/ZiggyFrancisco Dec 07 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Heartwarming Helpful (Pro)

Don't give ubisoft money, got it

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u/Cayden5 Dec 07 '21 Wholesome

I gave them 20 dollars for siege 3 years ago when it was good and they haven't seen a dime from me since, this won't be too hard

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u/MomentOfZehn Dec 07 '21

I stopped at Splinter Cell.

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u/JHolifay Dec 08 '21

Amateurs. I stopped at Rayman Raving Rabbids (2006).

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u/Zarathustra_d Dec 08 '21

It was no Battle Chess (1989)

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u/SDG2008 Dec 08 '21

I've actually taken money from them. Checkmate

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u/kiya_vass Dec 08 '21

Wait how?

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u/BrotherRoga Dec 08 '21

Yarr harr 🏴‍☠️

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u/AssIWasEating Dec 08 '21

Noa we require an explanation

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u/Frontswain Dec 08 '21

And then I get reminded of things like this... Fucking Ubisoft man :(

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u/txnbro Dec 07 '21

Bought splinter cell at a used game store so no money for ubisoft

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u/scrambles667 Dec 08 '21

Lmao stole Valhalla. I almost want to give it back

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u/HippyFroze Dec 08 '21

I stole splinter cell, wont even give them a used dime lol

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u/harrrhoooo Dec 08 '21

A true stealth experience

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u/I_N_C_O_M_I_N_G Dec 07 '21

One of my mates got the first Division game for free, and the second one for $3.

In total, Ubisoft has received $3 from him, which is enough to buy a couple square feet of flooring to feed their money smelters.

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u/HMIF Dec 07 '21

Tell your buddy to break in to their HQ and steal $3 worth of pens or something to right his wrong doing.

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u/I_N_C_O_M_I_N_G Dec 07 '21

At Ubi's studio that's probably like 30 pens

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u/TGxNihilum Dec 08 '21

Let's be real. 333 pens @ 3 cents each. That friend needs to steal a handful of paperclips too, to make up the difference.

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u/CrowdedWholmes Dec 07 '21

Or blizzard / or Activision or EA or any other major gaming company

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

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u/I_Automate Dec 08 '21

catches the dick cancer while pissing on radioactive ashes

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u/Pikmonwolf Dec 07 '21

The fucked up thing is that EA is saintly compared to Activision-Blizzard and Ubisoft. I haven't heard of EA execs sexually harassing a woman to the point of suicide.

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u/jokekiller94 Dec 08 '21

EA sports is apparently a really cushy gig according to people that work there.

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u/love2frymealatwendys Dec 08 '21

You just press backspace once or twice depending on what year it is. GG EZ

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

$100k to ctrl-c ctrl-v

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u/rookieblogger Dec 08 '21

Ex EA vet, can confirm that much of the hate is undeserved. While it a remarkably bureaucratic, top down, slow moving patchwork of studios where creativity is stifled for predictable revenue, It is indeed does offer a relatively comfortable job in the chaotic games industry ( yes, despite the pubic layoffs). Workplace harassment and discrimination cases are takepn very seriously. AFAIK there is comparable pay by gender. The CHRO and COO are influential women in serious positions of power. Pay and perks are probably in the 80th percentile.

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u/SwineHerald Dec 08 '21

EA had their big scandal about working conditions in 2004 and unlike Activision and Ubisoft they made a real effort to fix the problem. Their only real slip up since was with Bioware and Anthem, which ironically was the result of EA corporate giving Bioware more free reign to manage itself.

The problem is the meme of EA being evil has been going since the late 80s or early 90s so it has far too much momentum for people to acknowledge that while their monetization can suck and their games aren't great, they're not monsters.

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u/GrammarHypocrite Dec 07 '21

The real LPT is always in the comments.

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u/Cleverbird Dec 07 '21 Silver

I still dont even understand the point of NFT's in games... If the game goes under, isnt that basically the end of your NFT? Like lets say they bring out an NFT for some Rainbow Six Siege skin, but the game closes next year. What good is your NFT?

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u/Ericohs Dec 08 '21

Yup. They will disappear. Happens daily already with the whole nft art stuff.

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u/BaronVonLazercorn Dec 08 '21

What is the point of NFTs, period.

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u/cumsock45 Dec 08 '21

Artificial scarcity on an infinitely copyable item aswell as money laundering as a means of evading taxes and scaming kinds who don't know better

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u/Halvus_I Dec 08 '21

Artificial scarcity. Succinctly, its the attempt to completely control and monetize human desire. NFTs are pure ephemera.

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u/runforyerlives Dec 08 '21

So like Team Fortress 2 hats?

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u/Dpsizzle555 Dec 08 '21

Too sucker money out of dumb young kids

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u/Prodiq Dec 08 '21

I still dont even understand the point of NFT's in games...

Money.

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u/hsfan Dec 08 '21

i guess the point is you would be able to use the skin in all of the games from the company/publishers or at least in the same franchice, like transfering over your nft skins to next game, which is something that would already be possible to do without need of nfts is publishers wanted

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u/BoxOfDemons Dec 08 '21

They would still have to program in support for the old skins in the new games regardless. And like you said, none of that needs to be done with an NFT. Using an NFT so you can sell your skins is a fine idea, except I can only assume ubisoft is going to severely limit the number of skins and try to get people to pay top dollar for them, which is stupid.

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u/NaNaNiiiall Dec 08 '21

This is pretty much never going to happen. Games evolve, developers are never going to want to spend unnecessary resources to maintain a near unlimited amount of unimportant legacy content for all their future titles.

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u/cyclicamp Dec 08 '21

There are definitely cases where NFTs might be better for when a game goes under.

So as a baseline, if a game ceases in the current model, you lose all your digital stuff anyway.

Consider a collectable card game that sells their cards as decentralized NFTs. Since these exist outside the game ecosystem, the company servers could shutter and someone else could come along and continue the game themselves. People who want their collection to still have value can help fund an open source version of the game, for example.

Outside of NFTs outliving their original purpose, there's also the transparency NFTs would afford surrounding card drop rates, rarity, marketplace availability/resale, etc.

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u/Tuism Dec 08 '21

How many times have you seen "open source of a game that shut down" happen in the past? That carried on running? Without legal issues?

I know ONE, and it's a physical card game, Netrunner.

As the gamedev stack gets more and more complex, the likelihood that hobbyist gamedevs can carry on commercial endeavours decreases.

This idea is ludicrous.

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u/CarrionComfort Dec 08 '21

People who want their collection to still have value can help fund an open source version of the game, for example.

Pay money to buy board game and a unique playing piece.

Company stops manufacturing the board game. Everyone’s boards disappears from their box instantly, but they keep their play pieces.

If I want to use my pieces I have to fund a knock-off version of a game. At this point, why keep using the play pieces from the original game anyway? Whatever, the point is that these are officialTM play pieces of the real, but now discontinued, board game.

This is my officialTM play piece, see, it’s mine. It says so right here on this giant database that prevents people from lying about who has officialTM play pieces. No fraud here, nope.

If I get bored I can always sell my game pieces for money. Yes, the value of my game piece is dependent on the interest people have in this knock-off game. No, the database that proves I own officialTM play pieces is always going to stick around. I can give these pieces to my grandchildren.

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u/Flimsy_Tooth_4443 Dec 08 '21

Sorry. You don't even have the gamepiece. Just the proof of purchase. Gamepieces sold separately

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u/UnderwhelmingPossum Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

He has a digital representation of ownership of a unique gamepiece that doesn't physically exist. It's a beanie baby, without the hassle of owning and caring for a piece of plush, just give the scammer your money directly and get a warm and fuzzy feeling whenever you check your "vault". I'm amazed at this, this is digital snake oil.

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u/Concorditer Dec 07 '21 Take My Energy Facepalm

I know people who like NFTs like to talk about how they are the future of gaming, but do we really want the future of gaming to be based around new ways to buy and sell microtransactions? It would be nice if we could focus more on things like gameplay and immersion, not new ways companies can nickle and dime people.

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u/zdakat Dec 08 '21

Feel like I'm going crazy hearing it presented as if the only thing players care about games is "investing" in trinkets. (And supposedly being able to use them in other games as a minor feature- but I don't know how many games would even be set up that way)

I know cosmetics is a big draw for a lot of players, but the promotion seems to be designed to force it's way into gaming conversations masquerading as general discussion but then being so narrow in scope that it just looks weird.

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u/Saw_Boss Dec 08 '21

Because that's how their increase their value. Make everyone think they're important, make everyone think their value is increasing etc. More people thinking they're valuable only means that more people will buy them.

It's got nothing to do with games, it's everything to do with making a quick buck.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

That cross game thing they bring up all the time is BS. That's just not how games work. Even if you have a token that says you have item X the game has to know what that item is, have assets for it in the game, and have programmed functionality for that item. It doesn't just magically work.

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u/HarryPopperSC Dec 08 '21

It's crazy to think that you used to unlock cosmetics by playing the game you paid for or by being good at it. Gaas(games as a service) is killing us.

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u/MechinaX Dec 07 '21

The people who post in favor of it do so because they are hoping to make some quick money if it becomes successful. I run a large gaming community, the people who posted in favor of it joined only to do so. There are likely very few who actually like games that think that NFT games might be interesting, and most of those are generally not knowledgeable about it or don't understand the impact it would have on the market. The rest supporting it are just cryptobros looking to pump the value of their preferred con.

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u/Ulldra Dec 08 '21

Yep the only people I‘ve seen claiming interest in my gaming communities so far are those thinking ‚nice! I can play AND earn money doing so‘. Like they‘d just magically have fun and earn a living playing a good game.

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u/HarryPopperSC Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

You can already do that in games like runescape, eve online etc. None of those people do it currently because it's boring af and you make such a low amount per hour. Why do these people think the hourly rate is going to be worth it or the gameplay is going to be anything but a mindless grind just because it's an NFT instead? The only place where people actually did this for real was countries with collapsed economies and it was paying higher than actual jobs.

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u/Dexchampion99 Dec 08 '21

The only way an NFT game would be interesting is if it was the sequel to the indie game “DLC Quest” (don’t worry it doesn’t actually use real money, you buy shit like the tutorial with in game gold, it’s pretty funny)

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u/Fuck_you_pichael Dec 08 '21

NFTs are such a fucking scam. Here's something that is worthless. Let's speculate on it and promote it until it has an artificial value, so that we can sell it to rubes and cash in on their ignorance.

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u/HarryPopperSC Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Correct. NFT is a technology that was built for the sake of the technology. It was not built to solve a problem. So what's happening now is people are like "omg NFT is amazing lets use it for everything we can!" and try to force it as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

People will try to tell you that the problem is no decentralised proof of ownership. But NFTs do not change anything here. The ledger may be decentralised but without having a central government that recognises NFTs and backs them by law they mean nothing, they still fully rely on governments. So what I'm saying is there is no difference between an NFT and a database. Except the fact that databases are more scalable, faster, better optimised and easier to develop for.

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u/Vladesku Dec 08 '21

Pretty much yeah. For the past 1-2 years, reddit has been overrun by amateur stock traders, everybody's a fucking billionaire off gamestop.

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u/2tog Dec 08 '21

Agreed. Unfortunately the future of gaming is subscription based and free to play with skins.

Nfts where you can buy and resell your game? Are we having a laugh? Subscription services where everyone has to subscribe and can't sell their game on is the future. Publishers don't want you reselling their games

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u/firelordUK Dec 07 '21

the only people who genuinely believe that NFTs are the future are con-artists and gullible idiots

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u/wahoozerman Dec 07 '21

In terms of video game solutions, NFTs are just a database with the added side effect of burning down the rainforest.

I work in the industry and have contacts from indie to AAA studios. Nobody has yet heard of an actual solution or new feature that NFTs provide to gaming that wouldn't be just as easily solved with a traditional database.

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u/Silbb Dec 07 '21

Exactly! I feel like most people who understand the tech behind nfts see that using a decentralized database adds no value compared to a traditional database.

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u/KeithDecent Dec 08 '21

It sounds sexier and people are talking about it. Those two things alone are enough to devote an entire marketing strategy to them, unfortunately

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u/Lord_Nivloc Dec 08 '21

Mmmm, yeah, give me those sexy monkeys

....you know, I suspect Ubisoft is just trying to cash in on the hype. It'll probably work, unfortunately.

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u/The_Canadian_Devil Dec 07 '21

What do you mean? It solves the problem of not currently having a revolutionary way of ripping off stupid people.

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u/delta_squeeze Dec 08 '21

Lmao what the hell makes you say there aren’t revolutionary new ways of ripping people off daily? Just oblivious?

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u/The_Canadian_Devil Dec 08 '21

I meant that there aren't enough revolutionary ways of ripping people off.

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u/haltingpoint Dec 08 '21

This needs to be the narrative. Supporting Quartz is supporting destroying our environment.

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u/Neirchill Dec 08 '21

I can't fathom what NFTs possibly add to literally anything.

The only thing I can think of is like a receipt that you own a digital game... But like a normal ass receipt will accomplish the same thing without all the drawbacks. Not to mention most companies only sell a license to play and not the actual game these days anyway.

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u/0neek Dec 07 '21

And it blows me away how wide it's spreading.

There should be no way that such a massive portion of the population is that stupid, but we see the proof every day.

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u/BigJman123 Dec 07 '21

And money launderers lmao

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u/pokedragonboy Dec 07 '21

The actual NFT technology (that is, non-fungible tokens) is cool if really environmentally unfriendly. Using that technology to let people “““own””” ugly-ass jpegs is a dumb as shit speculative bubble.

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u/mike_writes Dec 08 '21

It's cool in a mathematical sense and literally no other way.

The beauty of digital information is that its endlessly copyable. NFTs are artificial scarcity defined.

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u/wingspantt Dec 07 '21

NFTs will benefit only two groups of people.

Game dev executives. Top 1% influencers.

That's it.

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u/eldelshell Dec 07 '21

Exactly, the tip of the pyramid, because NFT is a pyramid scheme and that's why all the cryptobros want everyone to get into NFT, so they can climb the pyramid on not be the ones left holding the bags.

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u/thelordpsy Dec 08 '21

No no no, NFTs are a London bridge scheme, totally different scam

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u/eldelshell Dec 07 '21

Exactly, the tip of the pyramid, because NFT is a pyramid scheme and that's why all the cryptobros want everyone to get into NFT, so they can climb the pyramid on not be the ones left holding the bags.

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Dec 07 '21

so they can climb the pyramid

You don't really climb a pyramid scheme, you just hope there are still enough gullible people left to build a layer under you...just like your upline did.

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u/MetalStarlight Dec 08 '21

NFTs are fancy distributed databases, but they offer nothing for gaming. Even if someone represented cosmetics with an NFT, you could do it cheaper, easier, and with better scalability by just using a good database. Want to be able to trade NFTs? Still easier to let the database handle it.

The major complain about a database is the company has full control of it and can edit it at will. With an NFT they don't control it. So that should make a difference, right? Not really. If a company doesn't like what ownership an NFT is assigned, it can just stop using it. Or branch it from the point where they want to erase a transaction. Or add custom code that overwrites certain ownership claims by the NFT. No matter how distributed the NFT is, even if you are sure the company doesn't have any control over it, the company still fully controls the code that ties the NFT to the game. As long as they control that, the any independence the NFT claims to provide is wishful thinking.

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u/AcrIsss Dec 08 '21

What ? You don’t want “randomSkin” to be a limited edition that only 500 people can wear, and have their value up for auction while the only way to get tokens is to buy it from Ubisoft ? /s

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u/Concorditer Dec 07 '21

Wouldn't the ability to buy and sell digital games as NFTs require the approval of the companies that make and sell those games? Companies that would probably prefer for gamers to buy games from them instead of a second-hand NFT market?

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u/theblackfool Dec 07 '21

My biggest problem with this is companies could already do this without NFTs if they wanted.

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u/garry4321 Dec 07 '21

I actually profited off of a free game because I got some rare cosmetics (in game) that I sold through Steam.

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u/xahnel Dec 07 '21

I don't want the future of gaming to be "you may buy this thing that lives on a central server and you can never physically own it, but you can look at it and play with it remotely; also, it only lives at the whims of the server owner". It's why I oppose Stadia and all Stadia-likes.

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u/Concorditer Dec 07 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

I don't see how NFTs will change that though. In-game items only exist in the manner the game company and developers allow them to. An entry in a digital ledger won't change that.

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u/xahnel Dec 07 '21

It won't. Which is why I also oppose NFTs. Unless you own the thing the data lives on, I don't care what anyone says, an NFT is worth the paper it's written on.

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u/Tamahaganeru Dec 07 '21

an NFT is worth the paper it's written on.

This.

If someone else has the potential to take it from you without any effort whatsoever, then it's not truly yours.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

It's not even just about owning the place the data lives. If you have complete ownership and control over your piece of data, but your piece is simply a key or accessory for something controlled externally, that's not any better than the other party holding your key, IMO.

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u/Enchess Dec 08 '21

This is what everyone pro-NFT is missing. You aren't taking away Ubisoft or EA or whoever's ownership of the asset, you are just being given a key that only does anything until Ubi or EA or whoever say it doesnt

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u/Narrowminded Dec 07 '21

I really do not understand people who fall for NFTs. It might be the most absurd, dumbass concept I've seen in a long time and it's just absolutely taking off. A sucker born every minute etc.

But really, even if one were to throw caution to the wind, NFTs are... you supposedly owning an image on the internet?

And people somehow think that... you can't just... take the image for yourself, even if you don't own it? On the internet? Have these people never been on the fucking internet?

The people who just say "It feels good to own the image, though! To be 1/1!" is just... honestly, get help.

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u/Shadefox Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I think part of the problem is a lot of people don't understand how games are developed. Or how an item goes from a database entry to being a 3D thing in your character's hands.
Especially people who are looking into the whole deal as an investment opportunity, rather than someone looking to play some videogames.

Then with lots of buzzwords coming out, from people looking to sell this stuff, about owning that database entry, and how that item will be truly yours. Without mentioning that pesky part where it's the developers that decide if that database entry is allowed to be used in the first place, or what that database entry will translate into ingame.

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u/greet_the_sun Dec 07 '21

I personally don't see why it's such a concern about the items being hosted on a central server when the majority of games nowadays also rely on said central server to function. Is anyone really concerned about the value of their skins in a battlefield or cod game after the game servers get shut down?

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u/WillzyxandOnandOn Dec 07 '21

Some people have spent ungodly sums of money on skins. It's kinda sick and honestly pretty unethical.

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u/EdynViper Dec 08 '21

I get the impression these whales have more than enough money to burn that it doesn't matter to them. In the games I've played, whales tended not to play long before jumping to the next game and spending there.

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u/ChromeProphet Dec 07 '21

I still don't even know wtf an NFT is tbh.

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u/Dominisi Dec 07 '21 Wholesome

Think of it like a "Limited Edition" thing that the company only made 500 of.

Each one of those 500 has a serial number to confirm its one of the 500 and not a copy. People can collect them and buy/sell them like trading cards, or beanie babies, or you name the collectable.

The point with NFT's is that they are "digital" and use cryptography to prove that your "copy" is "real".

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u/ChromeProphet Dec 07 '21 Wholesome

Thanks, I hate it.

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u/NotAKitty2508 Dec 07 '21

I just love the idea that your unique, one of a kind purchase can have the same practical use as me taking a screenshot of it.

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u/dpatt711 Dec 08 '21 Gold

The funny part is the NFT often isn't even the actual media, rather just a link to it.

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u/TitaniumDragon D20 Dec 08 '21

It isn't ever the actual media. A NFT is by definition nothing but a digital token.

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u/Pixilatedlemon Dec 07 '21

Especially since as long as you hold that useless unique purchase, continual useless calculations burning energy for no reason need to be made

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u/WillzyxandOnandOn Dec 07 '21

Yes except the NFT itself is not the thing, it's just the serial number.

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u/Saltynole Dec 08 '21

This right here. Correct me if I’m wrong but it follows that the NFT is just a receipt of sorts, asserting that person x owns asset y. So you never really “hold” or “own” anything? You just have your identity attached to a block in a ledger along with the underlying asset?

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u/framspl33n Dec 08 '21

Instead of buying a thing, you're just buying a glorified receipt.

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u/ChumaxTheMad Dec 08 '21

No. It's a receipt from x saying y owns z. However, the owner could be a, b, or c. The only thing x guarantees is that they believe y owns z. Case in point, lots of nfts of artwork out there were made by people that weren't the original artist and didn't own the work themselves.

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u/shawnhopkins Dec 08 '21

Heck, it's worse than that. It's just a receipt, really, that shows you bought the thing. People can freely copy and have the same thing as you. You're just the only one with the receipt, the sucker who paid. With a limited edition Beanie Baby they really did only make 500 of them and perfectly duplicating them is difficult. The digital asset you "bought" with your NFT can be infinitely duplicated.

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u/fluidmind23 Dec 07 '21

It's gonna be a great way to launder money. Just watch.

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u/Saltonkil PC Dec 08 '21

can't wait for modders to cheat NFT's in the game to prove how pointless these are.

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u/fckgwrhqq9 Dec 07 '21

and what is stopping them from releasing another 500? Even if you can proof yours is one of the first 500 it's unlikely to make them more valuable in the long run.

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u/Aegorm Dec 07 '21

Say that to first edition Pokémon cards lmao. A first edition Charizard is the exact same as the 28th edition for the card game. But guess which one people pay a shitton of money for?

I'll give you a hint: it would be one of the first 500 in your example.

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u/fckgwrhqq9 Dec 07 '21

I agree there are exceptions. But I have a hard time seeing it with ingame skins. Especially when you try to force it to happen.

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u/Big_BossSnake Dec 07 '21

Look at dopplers, blue gems, dragon lores in csgo as an example

It can be done, but of all companies to do it I'd probably trust UBI the least.

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u/a-r-c Dec 07 '21

you've clearly never played CSGO

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u/0sebek Dec 07 '21

Like CSGO skins? Some skins are worth thousands,especially if they are limited. If skins are gonna be first edition, some people are gonna pay more to collect them.

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u/grayum_ian Dec 08 '21

How is it confusing? Look at Blankos block party, they have a known artist create a skin then only release 2k. Pretty straight forward.

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u/iRhyiku Dec 07 '21

Say that to first edition Pokémon cards lmao.

Comparing to something physical now?

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u/VexingRaven Dec 08 '21

Except I have actually have pokemon cards in your example. In an NFT all I have is receipt saying that Ubisoft says I own the card. It still lives on their server, it still only works in their game, it's still subject to their license and their whims.

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u/SecureDonkey Dec 08 '21

You convince some idiot that the random number you write down the paper is one of the kind and sell it for a thousands buck because no one can ever buy anything like that again.

Why would anyone buy that? Because you convince the idiot that they can sell it to other idiot for a lots more money so it is a sound investment.

They don't believe you? Point them to your hype man who say everyone is going crazy about your random number. Then point them to your website that tell them everyone is going crazy about your number. Then point them to some influencer that tell them everyone is going crazy about your number. Then you point them to the idiot your sell it to and they will told them everyone is going crazy about your number. Big success.

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u/TheBladeRoden Dec 08 '21

So is this thing more pyramid-shaped or bubble-shaped?

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u/Rezhio Dec 07 '21

Don't worry. I don't support any NFT.

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u/BigUptokes Dec 07 '21 Wholesome

No Fuckin' Thanks.

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u/wildgaytrans Dec 07 '21

left clicks, save photo

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u/aceholio404 Dec 07 '21

What type of mouse or OS do you use with left click to pull up options?

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u/Careful-Relation-322 Dec 07 '21

I love that. Saving this post for sure.

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u/MyOtherAcctsAPorsche Dec 08 '21 Helpful

My personal rules on NFTs:

"If it can be done cheaper, faster and easier with a database, you are using NFTs wrong"

"If the only attribute of value in an NFT is it being 'unique', let me know, I have a ton of snowflakes"

"If the NFT lacks any practical use outside of the company/game/platform that made it, re-check the first rule"

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u/Narrowminded Dec 07 '21

What's that you say? The mainstream video game market is continuing to go to shit? Oh? This is why Indie games have been on the rise for several years and sometimes even make money which rivals AAA developers because they are simply more likely to push out actually good games?

Oh man, that sucks! Anyway...

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u/CommanderPike Dec 08 '21

With indie devs "being on the rise" being parroted since at least 2005 that I can remember, you'd think they'd be stratospheric by now.

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u/ACupOfLatte Dec 08 '21

I mean, they kind of are. Look at how many high quality indie games that rival or even best AAA products nowadays.

While the AAA industry was busy trying to figure out more ways to make money, indie companies have caught up and then proceeded to innovate.

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u/chickdan Dec 08 '21

Kena: Bridge of Spirits, Deep Rock Galactic, Splitgate, Rocket League, Hades, Hallow Knight, Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, Terraria, Minecraft.

Just to name a few from the top of my head.

Heck what about how big of a hit Among Us and Fall Guys were?

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u/CommanderPike Dec 08 '21

Minecraft definitely was an indie game, but I'm not so sure it is anymore. Either way, all I was saying isn't that indie games are bad or anything, it's just that I've been hearing for literally more than a decade that it's the time of the indie game, but AAA titles still dominate the market and are sold in millions on pre-orders. Indie games are in a healthy place, but AAA games aren't going anywhere.

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u/Narrowminded Dec 08 '21

It's been the year of the Indie game, your focus is just still more on the AAA titles than the former. There are so many good Indie games being released pretty much every other day now. You hear more about AAA because of marketing and, indeed, this is why AAA games will always have the bigger share.

But the slice of the pie taken up by Indie games is rather considerable.

Nobody is saying AAA games are going anywhere, but Indie games are going to continue to slowly but surely take their lunch.

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u/patrickkingart Dec 07 '21 Silver Wholesome

I mean... don't support NFTs in general.

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u/LordAcorn Dec 07 '21

I feel like in theory nfts could be a great way of supporting digital artists. In practice they're more like modern beane babies.

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u/0neek Dec 07 '21

You can also just... commission art from an artist you like if you want to support them. Or join their Patreon if they have one.

There are lots of ways to support artists that don't involve a con.

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u/Elfalpha Dec 07 '21

Would it actually change anything though?

It doesn't in any way prevent art theft. The people who buy art already are going to keep doing so, and the people who steal it aren't going to stop.

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u/SecureDonkey Dec 08 '21

We already support digital artist, it called Patreon.

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u/Underfitted Dec 08 '21

Nope, even in theory NFTs do not prove ownership, nor do they support artists. They are artists everyday getting their art stolen by NFTs and sold without receiving any compensation.

In theory NFTs are simply a database saying X owns Y but having no authority to declare such ownership: aka its imaginary.

A single NFT is equivalent to driving a car for 1000km.......literally speedrunning the destruction of the world as we know it.

We already have plenty of ways to support artists, through commissions, patreon, ko-fi, twitch etc

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u/N67nightmare Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

As a digital artist--yeah. I'd have gone all in on NFTs if they weren't so awful for the environment and the community wasn't so weird

Edit: Specifically talking about the art trading scene here. Quartz is terrible but it uses proof of stake over proof of work, which is what ethereum (the currency used by the big nft sites) has been trying to switch to for a long time. Even at its worst PoS is still exponentially better than PoW for the environment.

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u/Komirade666 Dec 07 '21

Yup, and also the constant art theft.

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u/patrickkingart Dec 08 '21

I'm an artist as well, and even from the start they seemed odd because you basically own a receipt, as opposed to a tangible print or something. Plus the catastrophic environmental impact and bizarre culty community are massive turnoffs.

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u/Arithik Dec 07 '21

It's just fomo to the max.

Rockstar probably gonna jump on that bandwagon with gtaonline. Then EA will put it in Fifa and you'll have to renew/upgrade your nft every year because you're stupid enough to buy it.

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u/javaplsthanks Dec 08 '21

Word for word, this is EXACTLY what will happen..

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u/StealthedWorgen Dec 07 '21

If I wanted something unique,I'd collect rocks, not meaningless collections of pixels.

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u/IIIShrikeIII Dec 08 '21

They're minerals, Jesus Marie!

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u/OctopusGrift Dec 07 '21

Also fuck Ubisoft they cover up sexual assaults in their company.

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u/ziostraccette Dec 07 '21

I buy a game and that's it, I never spend a single extra cent kn games aside from the price of the base game and dlc if I'm interested.

I really find it stupid spending money (which is your time, I have to waste 1.5hours of my time to buy a 20€ skin) on cosmetics that you don't even see 90%of the time if you are on an fps. It's stupid and people keep falling for it

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u/Moderator-Admin Dec 07 '21

A lot of people have more money than sense.

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u/Nolive_Denion Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Thank you! And yet the same donkeys will buy limited editions of anything else.. it's cosmetic and no one is forcing them to buy this crap.

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u/EvidentlyEmpirical Dec 08 '21

I've never actually bought an Ubisoft game... so problem solved I guess?

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u/MassDriverOne Dec 07 '21

This is next generation microtransactions and it's both disgusting and insulting.

100% agree this cannot be allowed to launch gracefully or it will bleed across gaming

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u/Alecrizzle Dec 08 '21

Nft is such a scam lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

Sheep gonna sheep. Do what I do: point and laugh.

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u/Rushing_Russian91 Dec 07 '21

What is NFT?

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u/eldelshell Dec 07 '21

Have you seen those web sites that sell you stars? Like, they give you a paper that says you own Alpha Centauri B. NFT is that but instead of a paper, you get a digital paper.

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u/Concorditer Dec 07 '21

An NFT is basically an entry in a digital ledger, often representing "ownership" of a digital item. Usually a picture or some other kind of digital art. In this case, Ubisoft is going to start connecting some in-game cosmetics to NFTs. People are concerned that the hype around the NFT concept is going to lead to more microtransactions or other negative effects on gaming.

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u/Rushing_Russian91 Dec 07 '21

Thanks.

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u/CharginChuck42 Dec 07 '21

Also, people who buy NFTs don't actually own anything, even if a lot if them insist that they do. And the process for creating and selling them does a ton of environmental damage.

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u/TheQuatum Dec 07 '21

Yep, it's legitimately the dumbest invention of the modern day. You own an open ledger entry, nothing more than a freaking pointer to a data type.

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u/Ender444 Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Ubisoft continues to protect its abusers, by the way.

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u/Lethargickitten-L3K Dec 07 '21

Trying to get gamers to not support and defend corporations when said corporations are actively making the industry worse.

Lmfao to the highest degree. Hope you're ready to constantly be called an entitled whiner by bootlicking morons, because that is your future.

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u/The_Muznick Dec 07 '21

Don't support NFTs in general.

Shit seriously feels like a total scam.

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u/Southpaw_Soldier Dec 07 '21

I just saw the trailer for this nonsense and started laughing my ass off, do the suits at ubisoft seriously think that this trend will catch on? the kids dont get what it even is and the adults know that its a stupid scam, on top of even more pathetic monetization.

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u/PmMeYourTitsAndToes Dec 07 '21

Do you think they would stoop to paying you tubers and twitch streamers to market it for them?

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u/0neek Dec 07 '21

That's kind of a low hanging fruit. There is nothing 99% of steamers won't do for attention, good or bad.

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u/eldelshell Dec 07 '21

Absolutely they will fucking do and some streamers are already doing this shit targeted at kids.

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u/bobi1 Dec 07 '21

Not a fan of nfts but in a few years this shit will be everywhere

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u/LoanSurviver101 Dec 07 '21

Yes. Cause there are so many morons in the gaming sphere that buy games like fifa and madden and cod every year. This won’t be much different.

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u/riderer Dec 08 '21

you understand that it is exactly the same as steam community market? but i guess selling skins on steam market is very different /s

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u/PhasmaFelis Dec 07 '21

Nobody wanted pay-to-win microtransaction games, but software devs successfully shoved them down our throats.

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u/joestaff Dec 07 '21

To my understanding, NFTs are just a means of uniquely identifying a digital thing. For example, Ubisoft creates a randomly generated ID, attaches it to a weapon skin, then anyone with that ID can claim that skin as theirs.

I don't see this being tremendously different than game assets being traded through Steam.

It's still not good to have a potential cash-value market for game assets, but that'll be left to the discretion of the Game Dev.

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u/Moos3-2 Dec 07 '21

I was going to say... what about Cs go skins? Ain't those technically NFT.

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u/XTRIxEDGEx Dec 08 '21

NFTs are an extra step in the middle that aren't needed. To Valve you just own the skin. You don't need an NFT to say you own the skin independent of valve saying you own the skin.

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u/joestaff Dec 07 '21

Not specifically, but it's an apt comparison for Ubisoft's use case here. NFTs are more like a vehicle's VIN, not the vehicle itself.

Edit: I'm willing to bet that's Steam's reason for banning games utilizing NFTs. They'll lose control of the game asset market, also potentially getting caught in another gambling lawsuit.

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u/CatttoFren PC Dec 07 '21

NFTs? More like No Fucking Thanks.

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u/Error-451 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

They're just doing it because of the hype. But y'all are mistaken to think that NFTs are the cause of or will drive microtransactions. The reason why companies are moving toward loot boxes and building games around them is because microtransactions work and a metric fuck ton of people buy them.

The gaming companies aren't going to make a ton of money off of NFTs because overpricing them means they won't sell shit. Therefore, they'll still price them the same as they would normal microtransactions. But here is kicker, now they'll have to start competing with a secondary market (players who want to sell the NFTs they own) which will cut into their revenue. Without NFTs they can sell millions of copies of a microtransaction and make money through volume.

They know that selling a limited number of NFTs for outrageous prices will alienate players. Which will ultimately kill the game.

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u/INFsleeper Dec 07 '21

Genuine question; how is the proposed Ubi system worse than what we've currently got on steam? The 2500$ CS GO skins for example. Just because they used the letters NFT?

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u/WillzyxandOnandOn Dec 07 '21

It's not UBisoft can do this without even using an NFT system. NFT's are something that everyone is talking about so they want to get in on the action.

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u/TheCrimsonKing Dec 07 '21

I'm trying to figure this out as well and so far I'm just seeing a general objection to those letters from people who don't seem to understand the core concept of an NFT. There are some objections to crypo and Etherium as well but nothing specific to gaming.

I suspect it's more of a general objection as publishers continue to shift focus to making games as a vehicle for in-game and real world merchandising similar to how the movie industry has been working for a few decades.

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u/LoanSurviver101 Dec 07 '21

Yes to the last part of your comment

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u/LocusShadow Dec 07 '21

NFT’s are so dumb lmao

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u/SanityOrLackThereof Dec 08 '21

Mate. I like the mentality. I really do. But the reality is that the vast majority of people don't care. All they want is to play their games and not have to think about anything else.

It's the reason why we lost to DLCs. It's the reason why we lost to microtransactions. It's the reason why we lost to ingame stores and currencies. It's the reason why we lost to lootboxes. It's the reason why we lost to cosmetics. It's the reason why we lost to ingame boosts and p2w, and it's the reason why we will most likely lose to whatever they come up with to try to sell us next.

The average player just doesn't care enough to do something about it, and would happily throw some extra money at the game for a skin or a boost. The demand is there. It doesn't matter how the rest of us scream and yell that we don't want it because modern games are not made for us. We are no longer the target demographic for AAA studios, and we haven't been for a long time. People who pay for microtransactions are the target demographic for most modern games. And so long as these people play games, it doesn't matter what we do to protest or boycott these games. The studios will just smile and wave as they leave us behind, happy in the knowledge that they'll be making gross amounts of money from microtransactions without us.

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u/Hhukkaa Dec 07 '21

All the focus will be put on NFTs. All the good cosmetics will be NFTs. Only those who can afford it will have cool things. Its just another way to chop up content and sell it for extra.

Knowing ubisoft it will happen, but nfts do not have to cost anything, nor be limited etc, it is up to the creator (Ubisoft, so most likely will be expensive)

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u/Dex_LV Dec 07 '21

Many of us were warning people since horse armour. Nothing will stop this shit. Average gamer doesn't grasp any consequences.

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u/Nolan_W Dec 08 '21

Hell, can simplify this to 'don't support ubisoft'

They harboured and protected abusers and other scum, fuck em.

Do the right thing and pirate their games

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u/JDHannan Dec 07 '21

Why is this NSFW?? Hate to sound conspiratorial, but is it an attempt to not make people read this thread?

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u/kuemmel234 Dec 08 '21

I didn't know what NFT was so I googled for quartz and they sure are able to go cynical about it.

Ubisoft Quartz is a new experience for our players, built upon our vision of creating an ever-greater connection between you and the game worlds you love. It aims at offering you more autonomy and agency when interacting with the in-game items that help you craft your own story.

Does have a particular smell to it.

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u/mrjigglejam Dec 08 '21

Dont give ubisoft money, and while you're at it, dont waste money on stupid ass NFTs.

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u/Blehgopie Dec 08 '21

Don't support NFTs, period.

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u/klaad3 Dec 08 '21

God fucking damit I already have to monetise all my other hobbies to make it possible to do anything just let me smoke pot and game. I only do it one day a month. Just give me one fucking thing that makes me happy.

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u/BadMain85 Dec 08 '21

Fuck Ubisoft

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u/bold_new_day Dec 08 '21

Let's just not support NFTs in general. People used to pay big bucks for pre-made furry art with slight deviations on deviantart back in the day. NFTs are literally that but also destroying the planet. It's cringe, and one of the most chronically-online things I've ever heard of.

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u/elissass Dec 08 '21

Do not support NFTs, period.

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u/ft4200 Dec 08 '21

Thankfully Ubisoft doesn't make any good games so it's easy to avoid supporting them

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u/angrypoliticsposter Dec 07 '21

I will only pirate Ubi games in the future if they do this.

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u/BraveLittleToaster77 Dec 07 '21

you had me at "ubisoft".

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u/ShoockWave Dec 07 '21

Ubi is making the wrong decision in history! NFT is a cancer in gaming... NFT is a pyramid and it destroys everything it touches.

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u/SubZeroDestruction Dec 07 '21

Reminder that these games have had "NFTs" for years, and don't kill the environment (as badly) in comparison: TF2, Warframe, CS:GO, Dota, EVE, WoW, Don't Starve, PUBG, Rust, Unturned, and so many more.

Each of these games actually have a form of value tied to each item based on player economies, which already exist, and also have rarity and limited amounts for some of their items... and if you want actual money from them, you can literally sell them for money. (And they can't be copied with right clicks!)

Anyone supporting NFTs is either ignorant to how they work, or is just trying to take advantage of idiots.

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