r/news 14d ago Silver 1 Helpful 2

California Gov. Newsom unveils historic $97.5 billion budget surplus

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-gov-newsom-unveils-historic-975-billion-budget-surplus-rcna28758
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u/ultrasuperbro 14d ago

There's a lot of infrastructure work which could be done with a portion of that. I hope it gets allocated well. Also, a nice chunk of that could be set aside for disaster relief. (Fires, quakes, etc.)

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u/angryshark 14d ago

Maybe investing in water desalination plants would be a good idea?

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u/CosmicMiru 14d ago

There have been 11 that have been approved for construction

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u/Tipop 14d ago

Any word on what they’re doing with the waste product?

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u/InOurMomsButts420 14d ago

Feeding horses instead of using salt lick.

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u/Tipop 14d ago edited 14d ago

Unfortunately there’s tons and TONS of salt and other waste products — more than all the cattle and horses in the world could consume.

… and if they just dump it back into the ocean it creates a dead zone where nothing can live.

EDIT: Why downvote me for stating the problems that have been discussed a thousand times before? We need to come up with solutions, not shush anyone who mentions the problem.

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u/stoicsilence 14d ago

Why downvote me for stating the problems that have been discussed a thousand times before?

Because the solutions have been discussed a thousand times before but everyone conveniently forgets the mitigation techniques.

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u/metal079 14d ago

Why dump it in the ocean? Why not just a big salt landfill?

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u/Malforus 14d ago

They really should lean into desalination, power generation, waste incineration, and salt/brine processing.
There is a real triple threat to solar/wind/nuclear adjacency to desalination coupled with brine processing.

Los of good heavy metals and things can be yanked out of ocean brine and garbage and by putting it near a power station they can use high heat steam from waste incineration to crack the brine or use it to store hydrogen.

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u/ericstern 14d ago

Desalination is a double edged sword, it destroys the local sea environment because the super salty brine byproducts have to be dumped somewhere.

Then again, what other alternatives does cali have… Other than California stopping almond/nut farming which uses ridiculous amounts of water.

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u/coldstar 14d ago

Cattle ranching uses more of California's water than nut production, both overall and by pound.

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u/Regressum 14d ago edited 14d ago

Always interesting to see the nut farming argument instead of the twice as large water consuming pasture & animal feed farming, why is that I wonder.

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u/TheOtherAisle 14d ago

Double edged swords are only bad if the person wielding it doesn't know what they're doing.

The resultant garbage doesn't have to be poured back into the sea. Nearly every major industry has industrial waste that is then reprocessed for other industrial or consumer use. Desalination plants can run on a similar principle. I'm sure there's plenty of uses for highly concentrated brine in other industrial fields.

Even if it can't, we can look to how the nuclear field handles it's industrial waste - they store it on site. I doubt it's harder to store brine then it is storing spent nuclear waste.

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u/Cucumber-250 13d ago

What about the pickle industry?

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u/DefiningTerrorism 14d ago

To provide the water needs of California you would need 1 desalination plant every 3 miles along the entire 1000 mile coastline. Look into it. Not a viable solution.

Most of the states water is used for profit-agriculture, the solution is to stop growing cash crops in the desert. The same can be said for other states, which are rapidly depleting their aquifers and are in no better place than CA.

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u/Malforus 14d ago

It's not about a 100% solution it's about producing enough to level set the value of water.

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u/Perfect_Inflation_70 14d ago

Perth, Western Australia is majority desal. It’s cheap enough and people don’t even realise it’s there. And sewage is treated to a drinkable standard then pumped into the ground water.

California will definitely end building desal, as will a lot of places.

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u/DefiningTerrorism 14d ago edited 14d ago

Perth is 2 million people and receives 28 inches of rain per year. Southern California has the population of the entirety of Australia, 30 million people, and is a Desert, which shares a common water source with another 15 million people in adjoining states, which are also desert cities.

Im not saying Desal isn’t a solution, it’s just not “the“ solution. Conservation is a more pragmatic, effective solution. It’s cheaper and it’s environmental impact is positive.

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u/RS994 14d ago

That is an absurd comparison, WA is under 3 million people, and Desal plants provide under half of the consumed water.

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u/Perfect_Inflation_70 14d ago edited 14d ago

https://www.watercorporation.com.au/Our-water/Desalination

2 plants produce 48%, with a third on its way.

No reason that can’t scale up to bigger cities.

Also, desalinated water is stored in the big dams that feed the water supply to inland WA. In effect, towns like Kalgoorlie are also running on desalinated water.

You’d need less than 100 of Perth’s desal plants to supply all of California’s urban water usage. 90GL (currently running at 45GL) vs 8000GL urban usage.

https://www.water-technology.net/projects/perth/

For less than this years budget surplus you could build enough desal to make a big dent.

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u/MechMeister 14d ago

The whole water shortage deal is manufactured. We export insane amounts of water in the form of crops like soy and alfalfa. I get that trade deals are good for world peace and the economy, but we need to keep hydroelectric plants turned on and keep reserves for longer draughts. Nevermind depleting our water tables in the midwest which aren't being replenished.

Lots of it is domestic, as well. I have a hard time believing we can't grow almonds somewhere that isn't a desert. Appalachia used to export native Chestnuts in massive amounts until they were killed by foreign disease. Why can't we grow resistant Chestnut trees back east where there is plenty of water?

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u/beforeitcloy 14d ago

To provide the water needs of California

Why would adding desal plants eliminate all alternative sources of water?

We can talk about reducing wasteful commercial usage without being dishonest about desal needing to provide 100% of our water to be useful.

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u/rostov007 14d ago edited 12d ago

If they even desalinated enough to replace agriculture usage, that and kicking Nestle out of the state would make a huge dent. A huge dent is what’s needed. Conservation and outlawing grass lawns would make another huge dent.

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u/UrbanPugEsq 14d ago

Would they need to put them on the shore? If the water is being pumped inland anyway, why not pump the salt water inland then desalinate it?

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u/HansBlixJr 14d ago

and sell all that salt to the himalayas.

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u/Lotharofthepotatoppl 14d ago

You joke, but the pink Himalayan salt is cheaper and considered lower-class over there than processed granulated salt. It’s kinda silly.

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u/DrinkenDrunk 14d ago

LA gets enough water in a few days of rain to supply its annual water requirements, but it all ends up in the storm drains and Pacific Ocean.

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u/PrimaryCricket2 14d ago

Like osmosis?

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u/SLJis1BAMF 14d ago

As long as it's not in reverse.

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u/sgrams04 14d ago

Osmosis Jones

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u/TheIowan 14d ago

My state also has a multi billion dollar surplus, but refuses to use even a tenth of a percent of it on things like infrastructure because voters that are against spending don't have any idea how much more a billion is than a million.

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u/jsktrogdor 14d ago

I seem to remember my city running a ballot initiative that was basically like: "The roads are failing, we can spend 100 million now, or put it off and spend 1 billion in 5 years."

It didn't pass.

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u/kinda_guilty 14d ago

Why would you ask people whether or not to fix basic infrastructure? Isn't that like a given?

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u/Cookie_Eater108 13d ago

I love learning insights into the American way of life from comments like this.

I think with the exception of Alberta at times, everyone here understands that the role of government is to control and maintain common goods and public resources/infrastructure. There are signs in Toronto that say stuff like "Building a new park: 5M" or "New Hospital: 1.5B". Most folks I know can disagree on how that gets done, where or for how much- but not whether or not it should be handled by a central authority.

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u/cheesyshop 13d ago

Ronald Reagan poisoned Americans against the government so much that it’s almost in our country’s DNA that the government should have no role, except of course, the military.

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u/Artanthos 14d ago

I would say they could invest in desalination plants and permanently fix the water shortage, but the California Coastal Commission just disproved one for LA (a city that depends on the Colorado River).

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u/bunnyzclan 14d ago

The Coastal Commission staff had advised the commission to deny approval — citing, among other factors, the high cost of the water and lack of local demand for it, the risks to marine life and the possibility of flooding in the area as sea levels rise. 

Its kind of fucking stupid because of all the excuses they could've given, lack of local demand? Wtf are these people on.

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u/mycatisblackandtan 14d ago

And so many communities further north would be more than happy to wean LA off of the Colorado River. It's a literal win win that would actually help rebuild a lot of the watershed that LA drained/drains. (Way too late for Owens Lake tho...) It's not like desalination is an ecological death sentence anymore either what with how much money can be made off of using the brine.

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u/awilbraham 14d ago

“The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January…”

Out of curiosity, how can officials be so far off on their expectations? That seems like an outrageous miscalculation.

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u/trx1150 14d ago

There was a huge boom in tech IPOs in 2021 and companies had ridiculously inflated valuations. A ton of this is centralized in California, and California collects a substantial amount of tax revenue on sold stock

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u/Olbaidon 14d ago Silver

I don’t think California will be having a rainy day for a while unfortunately.

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u/stopcounting 14d ago

Is that what they call it when the helicopters drop the water?

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u/8549176320 14d ago

California has water?

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u/TacticlTwinkie 14d ago

Oof it be getting mighty dry here

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u/djseifer 14d ago

Drier than Ben Shapiro's wife.

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u/UnitP2 14d ago

Ah, dry humor.

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u/EnigmaSpore 14d ago

They’re putting nearly half of it to the rainy day fund.

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u/sailingisgreat 14d ago

We have a constitutional amendment in Calif that sets aside a "rainy day reserve" of "%" of any surplus, so a bunch of a surplus for investment in case something like a pandemic happens (and during the pandemic it was forecast that we'd have a huge deficit that might even eat thru the reserve, except certain companies/industries in Calif flourished in pandemic so our surplus grew bigger). Then the amendment sets aside percentages of a surplus that have to be spent on education and some other stuff, then the rest has to be returned in some way to citizens (but only if we have had a surplus for at least two years in a row).
As a worker impacted by state budget cuts prior to this "rainy day reserve" I experienced furloughs and pay cuts as did any company or agency receiving state monies, so this reserve was a god-send to try to even out the small-to-moderate economic busts. No one I think ever envisioned a $100 billion surplus, so the fear is that too many hands will try to dip into it to create new things that will become some lobby group's "absolute necessity" to become permanent and thereby sink essential state services when a real bust comes. So one-time refunds like for outrageous gasoline increases make sense. Calif's economy is very diverse: ag, tech, venture capital, banking, manufacturing, tourism, ports/airports for imports/exports, etc. So we tend to "bounce" better than some states, especially with the large mandatory "rainy day reserve" to soften the blow in bad times.

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u/Fuckface_Whisperer 14d ago

Out of curiosity, how can officials be so far off on their expectations? That seems like an outrageous miscalculation.

Cap gains are extremely hard if not impossible to project.

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u/Chobopuffs 14d ago

2021 there were a lot of market gains I mean a lot.

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u/HairHeel 14d ago

And a lot of losses going to be reported in 2022. They should hang on to that money.

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u/exveelor 14d ago

How much can you write off on state income tax? Federal is only 3k per year.

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u/KaseTheAce 14d ago

Federal is only 3k per year.

For individuals. If you, an individual, loses money in the stock market, you can deduct $3k from your taxable income.

Businesses can deduct 80% of their taxable income. Before the tax act in 2017 they had to pay a higher tax rate AND were only allowed to carry their losses forward for 20 years. Now, however, they can carry their losses forward indefinitely.

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u/klikklak_HOTS 14d ago

And didn't stash the gains offshore or use a convoluted tax loophole designed for the rich? Rookie mistake.

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u/ThisIsSomebodyElse 14d ago

Half of the gains were from r/wallstreetbets people collecting their tendies. No one can predict it.

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u/tieris 14d ago edited 13d ago

Fake news. No one on WSB has ever made money. Well, except the goldfish.

Edit: I was making a joke. This shouldn’t need a /s, people.

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u/bubba-yo 14d ago

A lot of reasons. Happens a lot in California which has a VERY large and diverse economy. CA has a pretty high capital gains rate among states, so Elon Musk alone can arrive with a billion or more.

On the corporate side, those high gas prices - Chevron is a CA company. High food prices - CA supplies half of the nations produce. They don't track each and every company or even sector, they do broad first order projections but a lot of the details can vary a lot.

Plus, the state projections are tuned to losses, not gains. If the state brings in too little money, that's catastrophic. But too much? Oh to have such problems.

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u/Valdotain_1 14d ago

Capital gains are very hard to predict.

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u/Lilacsoftlips 14d ago

They should buy PG&E. The market cap is only $20B

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u/Versificator 14d ago

Be still my beating heart. They have taken enough from the taxpayers, time for them to give back. If that means nationalizing them, I'm all for it. Same for any other company that has the ability to burn down the state.

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u/Artanthos 14d ago

When the economy surges, so do income taxes/capital gains taxes.

When prices increase, the sales taxes those goods increase.

When home values increase, so does amount collected from property taxes and capital gains taxes.

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u/Cetun 14d ago

I'll point out that property taxes are assessed by cities and counties and not the state, so property tax increases won't go to the state budget.

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u/thomas7890 14d ago

Technically yes, but the state gets it indirectly because it doesn't have to pay the local county if they get enough money for things like education etc.

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u/ImperatorConor 14d ago edited 14d ago

As the other guy said, stocks and real-estate sales. In CA the property taxes often reset to the market value on the sale of the property so the hot market pumps up the budget, which reduces the amount the state subsidies the municipalities.

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u/Cetun 14d ago

It's important to point out that property taxes are usually collected by the cities and counties not the state. The state makes its money on things like sales tax and corporate taxes.

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u/somebunnny 14d ago

There are, however, capital gains taxes on real estate sales. And California properties are more likely to generate profit beyond the $250K/$500K exemption.

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u/iceman530 14d ago

That is a TON of infrastructure money. We could pretty much cover down our entire road and bridge situation with this money.

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u/SnapesGrayUnderpants 14d ago

Estabish a statewide health care system that covers all citizens. If California did that, businesses would move to California so they would no longer have to pay for health insurance for employees. People in other states who want to start their own businesses but can't leave their jobs because their jobs are tied to employer provided health insurance would leap at the chance to come to California to start businesses. When a province in Canada established health care for all its citizens, all the other provinces immediately followed. They couldn't afford not to.

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u/Numba1Dunner 14d ago

There's a way to get around all the insurance companys paying off politicians to never have single payer Healthcare/universal health care. The government of California should create its own insurance company called CalCare and have its premiums and copays super low and then create laws/subsidies that go to companies that have their premiums/copays under a certain threshold therefore cornering the market while also reducing prices for consumers. If you can't beat em, join em and then rig the system in your favor to win. The ol politicians way of doing things.

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u/5G_afterbirth 14d ago

Many dont realize Newsom has been laying the ground work for at minimum a public option at best single player since 2018. MediCal has been expanded to pretty much everyone except late 20s to 50, documented or not. Each year that age threshold has been getting narrower. They're also making MediCal more holistic, so not just medical, but mental and other related services. Give it another four years and we could be pretty close to it

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u/CptHampton 14d ago

What makes you think insurance companies aren't paying off politicians at the state level, too?

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u/leggpurnell 14d ago

NJ would like a word…

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u/will7788 14d ago Helpful

Funny you should say that. Unions dictate much of what gets done in California and essentially told Newsom he would lose their support if he established free healthcare. This was due to the fact that labor unions offer the best healthcare benefits around and losing that would mean losing members, since in many industries unions fall short in certain benefits for employees. Healthcare and wages not being one of them. But for example non union workers in CA are entitled to 2x hourly wage after working 12 hrs straight. Unions are exempt from this rule because they offer 'premium' wages. Also many unions do not require employers to pay sick days or vacations days, so naturally many employers do not.

As mentioned before they are exempt from some CA labor laws because they do offer premium benefits in other areas.

I'm currently in a union and I'm very happy with it for the most part but no organization is free from bias and sometimes flat out corruption.

Source: have a friend who is a lobbyist for a very influential union in Sacramento. Information about unions being exempt from labor laws can be found on CA.GOV.

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u/ImSpartacus811 14d ago edited 13d ago

Unions are exempt from this rule because they offer 'premium' wages. Also many unions do not require employers to pay sick days or vacations days, so naturally many employers do not.

That's misleading. Union employees are often exempt from most employee protection laws since it's assumed that they can negotiate for whatever they want, not because they have some kind of special "premium" wages.

The idea is that non-union employees can't negotiate, so they need the protection. Meanwhile, union employees can, so they benefit from flexibility of not having protections.

EDIT - Unions could easily negotiate for a copycat of non-union benefits. Employers would be thrilled if unions did that (much less paperwork). Unions choose to willingly give up certain benefits that they don't care for in exchange for things they actually do care for.

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u/AtlasJaxx 14d ago

Losing union support doesn’t seem like a big deal if it is I exchange for basically everyone else’s support. Also, as you have stated, many would just leave the union sense their reason for being unionized wouldn’t exist anymore. It stands to reason those that leave would still support him.

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u/will7788 14d ago

I wish it was that simple. Unions hold a lot of sway in government decisions particularly non 'right-to-work' states because a large chunk of their money goes toward lobbying and PACs.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing but it is the case. An example of this in recent memory is Newsom overruling the ruling of a state judge mandating prison guards to be vaccinated against COVID; because the prison guards' union was not happy with the decision, not because Newsom was against vaccine mandates. That's one example but there are many like it.

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u/rydan 14d ago

He would lose all the Republican support and he'd lose all the Union support. That just leaves a small number of Democrats.

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u/Wai-Sing 14d ago

which province did this??

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u/MooseFlyer 14d ago

Saskatchewan. They were the first to introduce a universal hospital care plan in 1947, and the first to introduce a universal medical insurance plan in 1962.

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u/frogsbollocks 14d ago

Maybe a couple of miles of high speed train? /s

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u/perverse_panda 14d ago

Forget trains, they can buy two Twitters with that kind of money.

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u/texburgle 14d ago

So what California is either getting a new copier or new chairs. Which is it?

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u/joe24lions 14d ago

When Pam gets Michael’s old chair, I get Pam’s old chair. Then I’ll have 2 chairs. Only one to go

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u/oh_what_a_surprise 14d ago

I would just take the bonus.

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u/stephruvy 13d ago

Lemme see the copier again.

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u/adderallanalyst 13d ago

2 miles of railway.

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u/Toadfinger 14d ago

Here in broke-ass Alabama, our shit for brains, Republican Governor once said "We're not California!"

NO SHIT!

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u/Random_Orphan 14d ago

Wait was it ivy or that creep Bently?

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u/Toadfinger 14d ago

Ivey. Not long ago. In reference to a Covid issue. I'll give you three guesses and the first two dont count.

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u/Random_Orphan 14d ago

Jfc. Can you believe these dumbfucks are criticizing her for gas prices now?

Not that I'm defending her, but at least choose a valid criticism.

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u/Toadfinger 14d ago

I can certainly believe it. All of them accuse each other for illegal immigration ffs. Not a single one of them offers any solutions to bring in revenue in their campaign ads. It's nauseating.

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u/fanklok 14d ago

I've been seeing political ads on YouTube recently and it's like they were written by an eight grader that reads at a third grade level.

"This guy traded his wall street business suit for a fleece vest, he's so woke. In fact he's too woke for Washington."

"This crazy lady (who is black) likes Black Lives Matter. clip of her saying Black people are upset about white racism WhITe RAcIsM????? Crazy lady is wrong for Washington"

I might have paraphrased those a little bit but I think I got the intent across. I honestly thought that comedians and cartoon sitcoms were doing exaggerated parodies of these ads not quoting them verbatim.

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u/Novembus 14d ago

yeah..theyre not really comparable regions...

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u/carefree-and-happy 14d ago edited 13d ago

Well Texas is comparable and while I can’t find the 2021-2022 end of cycle they finished 2020-2022 with $725 million surplus.

So a $97 billion surplus is mind blowing.

That’s insane!

Edit: Californias GDP per capita is 22% more than Texas. However, Californias surplus is more than 13,380% more than Texas surplus. I hope they put the surplus to good use.

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u/Kr3dibl3 14d ago

The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.4 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2021. If California were a sovereign nation (2021), it would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, ahead India and behind Germany.

So California (the fucking state) has a larger economy than like 97% of the countries in the world. THAT is mind-blowing.

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u/Novembus 14d ago

Ahead India is crazy

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u/DarkChurro 14d ago

34 Million people vs 1 Billion people. Yikes.

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u/Unfair-Tap-850 13d ago

India has 1.35 billion people.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

We do A LOT of stuff.

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u/Wasteland-Scum 14d ago

Yet my co-worker and her boyfriend work a combined 100 hours a week to afford to rent a room in someone else's house. That's pretty mind-blowing as well

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u/peatoast 14d ago

Do they live in San Francisco? Because that's crazy.

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u/Shes_so_Ratchet 14d ago

725 million surplus

Sounds like they had the means to upgrade their grid a bit, no?

Amazing how there's money when it works for the rich but a deficit when the people need it.

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u/carefree-and-happy 13d ago

My dad is visiting my brother in Texas right now, they are receiving alerts to try to conserve power because of the heatwave and the power grid not being able to keep up.

They definitely need to upgrade their power grid!

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u/confessionbearday 14d ago

Well yeah, real America has made economic gains for the last 7 decades while 'Bama is still rocking it like its 1957.

In EVERY way.

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u/odin_the_wiggler 14d ago

Can you imagine how many temporary classroom trailers Alabama could buy with $97.5b?

At least 3, while giving every business a one time tax break and just straight out losing about $90b.

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u/WilliamStonerock 14d ago

Cries in Tennesseean...😥

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u/MrNewReno 14d ago

Economically, Tennessee is doing just fine. State legislature just voted to put 200M more in the state savings of an already 1.6B.

Just ignore the roads. And the schools. And anywhere that's not Nashville, Knoxville, or Chattanooga.

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u/WilliamStonerock 14d ago

I'm from Knoxville. Trust me, we have infrastructure issues too!

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u/garvap 14d ago

Knoxville traditions, UT football and constant construction on 40

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u/SteveHeaves 14d ago

Hey, the State Legislature pretends Nashville and Memphis don't exist most of the time. And Nashville got diced up in redistricting, so we don't even have a voice anymore.

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u/CadburyBunnyPoo 14d ago

cries in banjo

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u/WilliamStonerock 14d ago

squeals in pig

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u/gildedtreehouse 14d ago

Rocky Top?

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u/WilliamStonerock 14d ago

Tennessee Waltz

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u/Heyo__Maggots 14d ago

Tell them to stop comparing them then i guess. The red states who screech the loudest about how they don’t want to become CA also leech the most in federal aid money and are the biggest welfare queens in the country, technically. Without those blue states, those southern red states would crumble and be broke in a matter of days…

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u/Dinosar-DNA 14d ago

Republicans - complain about “welfare states”.

Meanwhile - Republican states receive more welfare than they put in and can realistically thank blue states for propping them up.

End the US experiment, let Republicans have their shitholes.

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u/AppleDane 14d ago

They can even be "one nation under God".

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u/FrankyDonkeyBrain 14d ago

meanwhile in Texas:

"Marijuana is a dangerous drug that must remain illegal so I can keep getting my $10,000 a year bribe from the cartel"

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u/DredgenYorMother 14d ago

A bribe from the cartel isn't really a bribe.

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u/0110bot 14d ago

"Here, this should get you to keep your mouth shut about how absolutely fucked you will be if you open your mouth."

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u/scrivensB 14d ago

What does that have to do with the other 96.5billion in budget surplus?

They collected aprox 800millon in Marijuana tax revenue.

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u/TechGuy95 14d ago

There's still millions every state could be making if they legalised marijuana.

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u/satoshisfeverdream 14d ago

You spelt private prisons wrong.

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u/Denslayer 14d ago

Need some long term mental hospitals and get the crazies off the streets

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u/digitalwankster 14d ago

I would love to see them fund mental hospitals. A lot of the homeless people I've run into are clearly in need of mental health services.

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u/Permanenceisall 14d ago edited 14d ago

You can’t force people into hospitals against their will, and as it stands now a court has remand them to the hospital, and courts backed up, because the process of a fair and speedy trial actually makes them move slow.

I totally agree that we should return to mental health institutions, that are tax payer funded or oligarch/“tycoon”/“philanthropist” funded, built in Second-Empire Victorian styles situated right on the beach or in the middle of nowhere, because clearly the sympathy has largely dried up for people living on the streets and now tends to manifest as animus.

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u/DopestDope42069 14d ago

My brother went to jail countless times against his will ( well deserved IMO ). The only thing that actually got him clean was a PROPER rehab with a team of therapists, psychologists, etc. Getting the infrastructure in place and these places funded is the first step toward the right direction.

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u/gingerkids1234 14d ago

Jails weren’t designed to function as a mental hospital, which is exactly what they’re doing now. No amount of kindness or the change in your pocket will solve the massive homeless/ mental health problem California has.

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u/Absolute_Walnut69420 14d ago

uh yes you actually can.

source: i work at a mental hospital

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u/FinanceAnalyst 14d ago

At this point the money is better spent in education, job accessibility, and housing affordability to bring down the overall crazies/homeless population. Prevention usually yields much better results per $ spent.

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u/TechYeahTony 14d ago

I dont know why we keep bragging about surpluses when so much of the state needs money.

I live in Hollywood, the streets are in a terrible state, the homeless problem is immense, we are rationing water usage. How is a surplus a good thing at this point?

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u/Drg84 14d ago

Petition your governor to use some of that surplus for a desalination plant to refill your reservoirs. I somehow don't see that costing 97 billion

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u/anothercar 14d ago

We have a desal plant in Carlsbad, San Diego and it's doing pretty good work. It would be nice to see more of them in LA and the Bay Area.

Water reclamation is a better solution overall though

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u/who519 14d ago

Yeah current desal tech is crazy inefficient. I think there have been some breakthroughs lately though.

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u/AgAero 14d ago

I love how the answer that is, "consume less," is always the obvious one people don't want to do. We always bet on technology bailing us out.

I always hear that the southwest is full of farming practices that use absurd amounts of water.

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u/fartassmcjesus 14d ago

I think my state gets 8% revenue from ag, while using some crazy number like… 70% of water. Blows my mind.

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u/8004MikeJones 14d ago

I'm calling it now, the first company to land a patent that makes it economically viable to desalinate large quantities of water cheaply will be a trillion dollar company.

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u/RockSaltnNails 14d ago

This is all the DD I need

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u/Iohet 14d ago

Coastal Commission is voting on one next week. They've indicated they're going to reject it for environmental concerns

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u/bubba-yo 14d ago

They rejected it yesterday. It was a bad plan.

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u/Valdotain_1 14d ago

It was voted down yesterday. It dumps super saturated salt water into the fragile ecosystem.

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u/FizzWigget 14d ago edited 14d ago

California had a budget crisis less then a decade ago. Hopefully this money will be reinvested well. State parks funds was majorly cut

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u/AdamantiumBalls 14d ago

Throwing money at the homeless problem doesn't fix it , we have to reverse what Ronald Reagan did. It's a mental health issue, and drug addict issue , they don't want housing , they want to be on the streets doing drugs and not follow the shelters rule

In 1980 President Jimmy Carter signs the Mental Health Systems Act to improve on Kennedy’s dream.

In 1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act.

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u/yellowsm42 14d ago

It just fucking blows my mind everyone here thinks this shit happened in the last three years.

No.

You just see it more because the entire population has grown.

"It's getting worse"

It's always been this bad, there's just more of it. More of a need. It was bad in the 80's too.

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u/Teddyturntup 14d ago

Isn’t that the definition of getting worse?

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u/CottaBird 14d ago

Right? We voted to set aside $3.2B for a new reservoir. Nothing has started and we haven’t heard a peep about progress. I talked to a legislator about this a few years back, and he said, and I paraphrase, “someone is blocking progress because they can’t get what they want in their bills, and it makes the person in charge look bad by slowing it down. They’re doing it to make sure the person in charge doesn’t get elected.” I heard the same story from two or three other state legislators, but nobody named names, so I don’t know if they knew or didn’t know or just weren’t throwing someone under the bus. Either way, someone is being petty at the price of hurting all of California.

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u/Mayor__Defacto 14d ago

Building a new reservoir is pointless without new water to fill it up with. Reservoirs don’t magically create water out of thin air, all they do is impound existing water.

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u/xmmdrive 14d ago

Good, now invest it into your power grid and stop burning all that gas. Reviving their nuclear and solar initiatives would be a good start.

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u/VyseTheSwift 14d ago Wholesome

Everyone keeps saying we’re doomed over here in California and push people to leave this liberal hell hole, but I dunno seems like we’re doing ok. I understand that inflation is hitting hard but it would be nice to tackle housing.

If we could only get some of that money back that we have to give up to red states to keep them afloat, as they vote against everything we stand for.

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u/margalolwut 14d ago

Would be nice if California reinvested in infrastructure. Put that excess to good use

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u/tinoynk 14d ago

Right wing media loves to shit on liberal places. They’ve tried telling us that NYC has become some The Warriors-style hellhole when it’s still the safest big city in the country and is Pleasantville compared to any red state big city.

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u/TirayShell 14d ago

They'll just say that the surplus was from all those hard-working conservatives in Orange County.

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u/NotMrBuncat 14d ago

The same Orange County that couldn't even make their municipal bond payments?

lmao

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u/ImJLu 14d ago

Like yeah, NYC has some bad stuff. But that's because it has some of everything. That's what makes it great. You can probably find basically anything you can think of.

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u/Ssider69 14d ago

The people that say that usually live in areas of the country that are hell holes. my father lives near la. Last time I was out there to visit him I was amazed it seems like the entire town he lives in his air conditioned

It's some place you want to live. Unlike festering swampland or frigid prairie

And because of this California attracts the best and brightest. And the companies they work for produce trillions of dollars in revenue.

So all that bad-mouthing of California should be called for what it is. Jealousy

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u/FamousLastName 14d ago

Eh it genuinely depends on where you live. I’ve lived here my entire life and it’s better than most places but it’s not perfect. La has plenty of places that are truly hell holes.

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u/Ssider69 14d ago

Any place with that many people will. But fact remains nobody but nobody is lining up to go to Alabama

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u/usrevenge 14d ago edited 14d ago Silver

This is roughly $2800 per person.

Hopefully they either have rebates or better yet fund something big to help the entire state.

New high density housing could be nice especially if the state ensures people who live there can't be businesses and must be home owners with only that as their significant property aka no land lords.

Or they could possibly find universal healthcare

For like 1/16th that amount of money they can give every teacher in the state a massive pay raise too

By what I can find there are 320,000 or so teachers. 1/16th this surplus is $6billion

This could be a flat pay increase of over 18,000 for all teachers

Edit sorry if I did math wrong I only slept 4 hours today.

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u/Randvek 14d ago Silver

Forget all that shit, they need to spend it on sustainable water solutions. That should be their first priority for any funds.

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u/RaZeByFire 14d ago

Nah, that won't impact the coming election cycle. The fruit of that sort of thing wouldn't be visible for years, maybe even a decade!

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u/Interesting_Total_98 14d ago

Several desalination plants are being built.

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u/3-Putt-Pete 14d ago

Lisa needs braces

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u/Diarygirl 14d ago

Dental plan!

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u/techn0scho0lbus 14d ago

Lisa needs braces

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u/bushman622 14d ago

I think the last estimate for that fancy high speed rail from Bako to SF was projected to be right around $100 billion.

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u/Seniortomox 14d ago

They have public pensions to fund.

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u/kzlife76 14d ago

Could do what my state did when asked if they would refund it. "nah. We'll keep it for a rainy day."

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u/Nayko214 14d ago

To be fair, with all the wildfires, droughts, and being on a fault line that's not a terrible idea for Cali assuming they'd use it correctly.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 14d ago

I think they should keep it for a rainy day considering the times that we’re in.

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u/Apostalis 14d ago

The problem is CA is in a huge drought, so no rainy days coming anytime soon.

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u/authorPGAusten 14d ago

Maybe could get another half a mile of high speed rail in

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u/InflamedLiver 14d ago

I'm all for having a surplus to pay off outstanding debts and all, but doesn't that mean they could, ya know, just tax us less too?

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u/Drak_is_Right 14d ago

Pay down things like pension debts before cutting it.

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u/obtuse_bluebird 14d ago

Would the reduced taxes help with your liver issues?

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u/Hot_Mathematician357 14d ago

Cut taxes and we can all afford a Costco membership.

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u/UnbiasedDuck 14d ago

Just buy a Costco membership, purchase ten 10 dollar gift cards, return membership for full refund.. bam, 10 trips to Costco.. duh

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u/Krabban 14d ago edited 14d ago

As long as the taxes are sustainable then keeping them high is good, you want to tax when times are good so you have something to fall back on when times are hard. You can never have too much surplus.

However, are Californias current taxes actually sustainable for the average person and/or are they harming business innovation and should they be lower? That's certainly debatable.

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u/DeepBlueNoSpace 14d ago

You can actually have too much surplus. A surplus hurts economic growth by removing money from the circular flow of income

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u/DeaconSage 14d ago

The cannabis industry is certainly at that debate

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u/poki_stick 14d ago

The tax on weed is ridiculous plus they killed the high THC edibles and now are thinking of going after high THC concentrates. It's fucking lame, everyone complains that the process is too fucked for most to get into. The budtenders n most workers in the industry aren't making crazy money either.

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u/Stubbly_Poonjab 14d ago

wait really? do they think thc is deadly or something?

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u/Rebellion111 14d ago

part of their idea of regulating it, like alcohol proofs, except there's no limit to how much alcohol you can buy, just a limit to how potent the alcohol can be, there's a limit to how much weed you can buy per day.

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u/Teabagger_Vance 14d ago

You can absolutely have too much. Why does the government get first dibs on money I earned?

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u/liegesmash 14d ago

Maybe they can open the desalination plants now

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u/Valtar99 13d ago

Social Issues ✅ Budget Surplus ✅ Republicans froth at the mouth upon mention of his name ✅

I’ll take one please

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u/whendovesfly 13d ago

Water shortages be like “I got plans for that money.”

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u/PhuckCalumbo 14d ago

Now- are they going to get new chairs, or a new printer?

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u/CurrentlyLucid 13d ago

I like that he wants to give most of it, back to us. I am sure he could come up with endless reasons to keep it and spend it on things that were never planned for, this is better.

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u/Joele1 14d ago

They need to put it towards desalination. They have a serious drought for God’s sake.

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u/sariisa 14d ago

But I thought the republicans said California was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and about to collapse into a third-world failed state any day now??

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u/PhilCollinsLive 14d ago

Water, hobos, or forest fires…fix it

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