r/nottheonion May 27 '22 Silver 3 Helpful 4 Wholesome 9 Facepalm 1 'MURICA 2 I'd Like to Thank... 1

Police didn't immediately confront the gunman as Texas school shooting unfolded because they 'could've been shot'

https://www.insider.com/texas-shooting-police-didnt-immediately-confront-gunman-lieutenant-explains-2022-5
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u/guvie May 28 '22

Oh. Well, that's good enough for me.

In 2006, there was a mass shooting at Dawson College in Montreal. One person was killed and 19 injured. It would have been much worse except that the first police officer on the scene went after the shooter instead of waiting for backup. The officer was following policy enacted in Montreal: you have minutes to get the shooter. Don't wait.

These fucks in Texas are a disgrace and this will be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes in American history.

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u/Malphos101 May 28 '22

Yup. Current tactics for active shooters says over and over: once the first bullet is fired you get your ass in there and make a target of yourself to protect innocents. Every bullet fired at the person who signed up for the danger is one less fired at an innocent bystander.

If this wasn't such a tragedy it would the epitome of comedy how these paul blarts acted.

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u/ZepyrusG97 May 28 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

Hey now, Paul Blart was braver than these asshats. He took on terrorists with nothing but his guard equipment and a scooter. These men had the shooter outnumbered and outgunned and chose to "play it safe" as if children weren't dying by the minute. They were worse than a comedy movie mall cop.

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u/sneakycatattack May 28 '22

Why did my heart soar for someone defended Paul Blart’s honor? But yeah that mall cop was a courageous man, how dare they

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 29d ago

Paul Blart got the job done and didn't even need a gun

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u/LouBerryManCakes May 28 '22

Yeah I was reading that comment and fully on board with every word and then there was that twist ending where Paul Blart is catching strays which I guess is better than kids catching strays so now I'm conflicted.

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u/anastasis19 May 28 '22 edited 29d ago

There is chance that it was worse. After waiting around for 40+ minutes, when the off-duty border patrol unit showed up, the Uvalde police officers at the school told them to stand down cause chances were all the kids were already dead they believed the kids were safe because the shooter had barricaded himself (he did, in the classroom with the children he killed). All this while elementary school children trapped in the school with an active shooter were calling 911 begging them to send in police to help them.

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u/Tzayad May 28 '22

paul blarts

That's an insult to Paul Blart comparing these cowards to him

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u/wargig May 28 '22

Yeah Blart would gone in ffs!

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u/Berkamin May 28 '22

The department even upgraded the police body armor to Level 4 body armor, the type that can stop rifle rounds, according to this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk/comments/uza8p5/cowards/

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u/Paladoc May 28 '22

Yeah... and we've had soooo many more opportunities to practice than the Canucks. They got it right in two, after lessons learned from the Polytechnique massacre.

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u/pirate135246 May 28 '22

It’s even more ironic because texas prides itself on guns and carrying for self defense

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u/killing31 May 27 '22 Helpful

In other news, firefighters prefer to only enter buildings that are not on fire. When questioned about this preference, they explain they don’t want to get any ouchies.

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u/juanjodic May 28 '22

Yes of course, firefighters don't like entering burning buildings because they might make the fire burn more stuff!

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u/mslauren2930 May 27 '22

Over 20 years later, whenever I watch video of the firefighters heading into the towers, my heart still breaks. :( Those were true heroes. The true definition of a hero.

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u/hakkai999 May 27 '22 Silver Take My Energy

Some people are heroes. Some cosplay as heroes to make their fragile egos feel better and compensate for their tiny weiners.

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u/BitsAndBobs304 May 28 '22 Silver

"No one wrote a song called fuck the fire department "

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u/CholetisCanon May 28 '22

Kind of shows it's a police culture thing, doesn't it?

A firefighter shows up, people calm down, they help, they feel safe. They show up to a lot of gnarly situations, too.

A police guy shows up and people know they are just going to fuck with you. Hell, people will react differently to "Relax, I'm a British cop" because they know their default mode isnt violence when they have the overwhelming advantage in power.

It's entirely about how they conduct their business.

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u/WillaBerble May 28 '22

That is true. I will ask a police officer for help in any other country, but I'd rather ask a random person on the street for assistance before I ask a cop, in any state in the US. They always seem to make any situation in which they are involved worse.

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u/remotetissuepaper May 28 '22

That video of the cop arresting the firefighter cuz the fire truck was parked over the line is pretty symbolic of the difference. The firefighters showed up to help people, the cops showed up to power trip

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u/Daikataro May 27 '22 Silver

Is it too much to ask, for all of the glory and recognition of a hero, with none of the duties or responsibilities?

-The Police department

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u/dmkicksballs13 May 28 '22

I didn't sign up and go through 6 rigorous weeks of training to get in shootouts with armed psychos. I signed up to sample confiscated cocaine and shoot kids with squirt guns.

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u/Sapientiam May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

I've heard it said with the military but it applies here as well. Putting an asshole in a uniform doesn't make them a hero, it makes them an asshole in a uniform.

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u/ProfessorDowellsHead May 27 '22

Firefighters are the selfless and brave heroes that police want the public to think they are. And police hate that enough to fuck with firefighters on the regular, unfortunately.

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u/Fallingcities200 May 28 '22

It's okay. The firefighters usually win the fireman vs. cops charity softball games. This for the obvious stereotypical reasons like out of shape donut eating cops.

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u/chillyhellion May 28 '22

Firefighters vs softballs, lol

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u/Fluffy-Composer-2619 May 27 '22

There's a big difference - firefighters join up for duty and police officers join for power

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u/GetEquipped May 28 '22

You don't see people saying "Fuck the Fire dept" or "Fuck the EMTs"

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u/I-Fail-Forward May 28 '22 Silver

Actually, I'm fairly sure my cousin once said she would fuck every dude on the firemen calendar that the local fire depts sold to raise money...

Just saying.

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u/count023 May 28 '22

New York firefighters VS Texas cops, I guess we know which ones are the snowflakes now. Hint: not the liberal city trained emergency responders.

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u/kernanb May 27 '22

What would have happened if this was a military situation? Enemy in a barracks full of sleeping US solider for 40 minutes, shooting them dead. All the while other US soldiers are outside standing around fearful to go in. I'd assume they'd all be court martialed for dereliction of duty?

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u/LowEffortOutlaw May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

Googled it, the UCMJ has some pretty specific things to say about Misbehaviour before the enemy

It's funny that these cops like to cosplay as soldiers yet if an actual soldier behaved like a cop they'd be court martialed.

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u/ctaps148 May 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Rocket Like

For the lazy:

Any member of the armed forces who before or in the presence of the enemy—

(1) runs away;

(2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend;

(3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property;

(4) casts away his arms or ammunition;

(5) is guilty of cowardly conduct;

(6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage;

(7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces;

(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or

(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle;

shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

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u/Ffdmatt May 28 '22

I love how they leave the punishment vague to allow individual interpretation, but they define the default as death

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u/_okcody 29d ago

That’s the UCMJ for like everything lmao, desertion? Death. Treason? Death.

What’s worse is article 15 which allows officers discretion to levy unilateral administrative punishment without court proceedings.

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u/_okcody 29d ago

Rules for soldiers: death for overcooked chicken

Rules for police: paid vacation for wrongful murder of civilian

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u/rowenstraker May 28 '22

If they want to be armed like they are military and cosplay as soldiers, let us hold them to the same standards. The police of this country have far too few consequences of blatant misconduct and we need to overhaul the mechanism for holding cowards accountable for their inaction. You don't get to cherrypick what your job description entails. "Protect and serve" whom exactly?!?

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u/sonyka May 28 '22

SCOTUS says the Constitution doesn't require cops to actually protect people. Can Congress or states? I really want to ask r/AskALawyer: what would a viable duty-to-rescue law for police look like?

I'm sick of cops acting like they deserve inordinate "respect" (ie, groveling compliance and zero oversight) because they're ultra-brave specially trained superhumans who run towards the danger unlike your average 'civilian'… but then every time they fuck up it's, "well shit we're just people, you gotta understand, it's so dangerous" and/or some heavily bullshitted version of "I was scared, so I malfunctioned." Enough already, pick one. If you can't perform this job while scared, you can't perform this job.

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u/treefox May 28 '22

This doesn’t cover “forcefully restrains other allied units to prevent them from attempting a defense against the enemy”

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u/Dannei May 28 '22

I'd argue that 9 covers that - preventing them doing so would not be providing "all practicable relief and assistance". Potentially 3 and 8 as well.

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u/dontworrychief May 28 '22

I feel like 3 should be in bold as well

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u/Robert_Pawney_Junior May 28 '22

At least the text is bold, something you can't say of these cops.

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u/StinkOnAMonkey May 28 '22

On active duty in 2017 when I saw the cops turn their backs on the NYC mayor during a very publicized funeral procession...

Seeing this shit out of New York really put a spotlight on the stark difference between the person that enlists/commissions and the civilian that puts a badge on....

I didn't always agree with the commanding officer, but I could never imagine pulling shit like turning my back on him/her...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police/hundreds-of-police-turn-backs-on-nyc-mayor-at-slain-officers-funeral-idUSKBN0KD06A20150104

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u/GhostHeavenWord May 28 '22

That's because there are consequences for you.

The Cops run the Cops. No one else has any authority over them. They're just an armed racket.

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u/Paladoc May 28 '22

It wouldn't have happened. The brotherhood mentality would have overriden any bullshit orders to stand outside the locked door.

I would assume anything similar happened in the military, it would start at 133 Conduct Unbecoming, traipsing thru 99 misbehavior before the enemy (covers cowardice), meandering these fucks through 107 false official statements, 81 conspiracy and 118 murder.

Then I suspect they would be shot.

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u/Heequwella May 28 '22

I don't for the life of me understand why we give police the ability to kill us and don't hold them to a higher standard. Instead z we actually hold them to a lower standard. Actually, I do understand it, but that's a different topic.

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u/bakjar May 27 '22

They should all be terminated. Not cut out for duty.

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u/codeine_inmycereal May 28 '22

Terminated and blacklisted from ever being LEO anywhere else or even associated with LEO

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u/Difficult-Value-9458 29d ago

no, you misunderstand what kind of termination we're hoping they receive...

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u/primalbluewolf May 28 '22

Terminated is the word for it, alright... dereliction of duty, cowardice...

That right there is a safe argument for Texan police to not be permitted to carry a firearm on duty. If they are too scared to use one, clearly they can't be trusted with them.

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u/LargeRegularCoffee May 27 '22

"At that point, if they pursued it any further — not knowing where the suspect was at — they could've been shot, they could've been killed and, at that point, that gunman would have the opportunity to kill other people inside that school."

The killer has unlimited opportunity to kill other people in the building when other people in the school aren't shooting back at him. I can't see any explanation that makes the police look like they made the right choice.

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful May 27 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

"Alright I think he finally unloaded all of his ammo into those kids it should be safe to go in now"

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u/auddobot May 28 '22 Silver

Also, he could be anywhere in the school! Better tell the kids inside to yell for help, nothing could possibly go wrong with that idea

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u/UpUpDnDnLRLRBAstart May 28 '22

That part broke my heart. That poor little girl thought help was coming when she called out but those fuckers got her shot.

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u/delukard May 28 '22

as a father of a 8 and a 10 yo

thus makes me really, really sad.

fuck the shooter and fuck the police...

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u/mattenthehat May 28 '22

He could be anywhere in the school, but also we contained him in one classroom!

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u/humans_ruin_planets May 28 '22

THAT motherfucker should be arrested and charged as an accomplice to first degree murder. They all should, in fact. Their cowardice was a direct factor in more children slaughtered.

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u/Drakore4 May 28 '22

Yeah I've been saying this since I first heard what happened. Every single one of those cops should get accessory to murder or at the bare minimum manslaughter. The best of them were literally holding parents back from saving kids, and the worst of them were literally tackling and tazing anyone trying to be a hero, or even worse yet telling the children to call out and come out of hiding. If you take away the badges and look at this from the outside, this is no different than a hostage situation. You have armed gunman outside the school keeping anyone from getting in while another one kills as many people as they can inside.

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u/SortedChaos May 28 '22

"but then no one will want to be police officers." - Yeah the cowards won't want to be police. All the others who have no problem doing the job will stay and actually be an effective force.

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u/DRAGONMASTER- May 28 '22

he won't even be suspended

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u/F8L-Fool May 28 '22

Alright kids, I know you're all hiding from the crazy gunman. But we need to evacuate you so he doesn't find you. Loudly reveal your location so we can get to you before he does. This can't possibly go wrong.

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u/HaveAWillieNiceDay May 28 '22

The fact that police called out to the students telling them to yell if they need help, then breached once the shooter fired at the kid who yelled, makes me wonder if they expected that outcome and used a kid as a decoy.

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u/DeathWrangler 29d ago

That's a twisted take thats not all that far fetched. Fuck.

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u/asmd315 May 28 '22

But what if he reloads! Too risky… better stay here threatening the parents and looking tough. If you want an argument to defund these dipshits this is a good one.

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u/jctwok May 28 '22

They weren't just threatening the parents,they were handcuffing, pepper-spraying, and tasing them.

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u/NewAccount4Friday May 28 '22

They didn't want the parents to make them look like fools and cowards. Oh, wait...

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u/Red-Panda-Bur May 28 '22

Are you fucking kidding me right now?

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u/A-Blind-Seer May 28 '22

The deeper you go, the worse it gets. They trained for this two months ago. Idk if assaulting parents and aiding the shooter was part of the training, but that's how it played out

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u/jctwok May 28 '22

It does just keep getting worse. Apparently the Border Patrol team was ready to go in immediately but were told to stand down. After a half hour they said "fuck this" and went in and ended it. If it were up to the local cops, they'd probably still be camped outside.

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u/Caelinus May 28 '22

The freaking border patrol guys went in, to something completely outside their wheelhouse, while SWAT sat outside.

When someone is so bad at protecting children that they make border patrol look heroic, there is something deeply wrong with them.

I don't know what the real cause of the problem was inside all of this noise. There is so much information flying around that it is hard to get a super clear picture between reality and rumor, but the simple fact is this: It does not matter.

SWAT exists for this purpose. They failed completely. Children died.

No amount of excuses can change the fact that they failed at the very purpose they are empowered to accomplish.

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u/delightfuldylan May 28 '22

I will say it’s definitely not outside their wheelhouse. Those guys were trained to take on the Cartel, which is no joke. The fucked part is the cops at Uvdale made a special program that they paid out the ass for yet did not prepare them in the slightest. A special police force just for the school, $200k in security upgrades for the school - I imagine the training consisted of a 15 min walk through the school followed by hanging out and shooting the shit for an easy couple hours of work because that’s EXACTLY what they did as children got murdered.

I mean jesus he stood in the field of the school shooting bullets, even shooting AT the school building FOR TEN MINUTES. If they showed up quick they’d have taken him out before he even entered, i believe that’s what he wanted to happen. After shooting at a school full of children for ten minutes with no response he said fuck it and marched in there and killed with no mercy. They should all be out of a job and face charges.

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u/Caelinus May 28 '22

It is not that they are not trained or never face a threat, they just can't really specialize in hostage/terrorism stuff the way SWAT should be.

Border Patrol is unlikely to have been doing any school shooting related training, whereas that is exactly what SWAT is meant to do.

Obviously these Border Patrol guys were way more capable than the police here, but they probably assumed that SWAT knew what it was doing, and so did not know that. Without that assumption they probably would have gone in faster, but they probably thought that the specialists were better prepared to go in. Until they never did.

But yeah, regardless, these police are obviously bad. I cannot express in words how strongly I feel about this.

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u/I_SUCK__AMA May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/please-send-police-now-uvalde-student-called-911-multiple-shooting-rcna30898

And the students repeatedly called 911 the whole time, and nothing fucking happened. What the fuck is going on? The whole town conspiring to kill kids??..

So the police commander's excuse is he thought the shooter was contained. Bt they have 911 calls saying more & more people are dying. They 100% told the commander. So that's a blatant lie.

These police 100% are guilty of killing kids, there's no other way to slice it.

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u/treefox May 28 '22

And they allegedly got a kid killed by encouraging them to call for help.

The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it. He also shared how one student who had survived most of the ordeal was shot just before officers breached the door after somebody told anyone in the room to call out for help.

“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-response-robb-elementary-school-shooter/273-cc582fbf-3ddc-48e4-8a1b-90fb9e90140c

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u/Facky May 28 '22

They told the kids to scream out if they needed help. One kid did and got shot.

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u/FakeTherapist May 28 '22

literal zapp branigan

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u/mr_biscuits93 May 28 '22

“I knew the killer had a limited amount of bullets so I sent wave after wave of 4th graders into him until he ran out of ammo at which point we heroically stormed in and killed him.”

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u/GrapeSoda223 May 28 '22

This is basically what they're saying which is really unfortunate seems like a quote that would be on the onion

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u/Magellanic_Cloudz May 27 '22

And yet they somehow don't understand that by doing nothing they essentially presented the equivalent of them already being dead to the shooter?

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u/UreMomNotGay May 28 '22

Earlier in the interview this man stated they couldn't rush in. They couldn't possibly know where the shooter was or where he was headed to. Seconds later he's talking about how they took the right decision because they were able to contain him into a room.

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u/KeyanReid May 28 '22

Trained liars lying, more at eleven.

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u/UrbanDryad May 28 '22

Not even trained.

This is a person that is just used to being able to say whatever they want, assert it as fact, and arrest/harass anyone who dares disagree.

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u/1202_ProgramAlarm May 28 '22

Looks like they're as trained in lying as they are with anything else cause that makes no sense at all

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u/echoabyss May 28 '22

A room full of children, smh.

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u/Colosso95 May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

They understand it perfectly.
You can tell by this man's manner of speech that he's trying to come up with some sort of excuse on the spot, simply because there isn't one.
Any sane person would see that it doesn't make any sense, it's just a way not to say that they were too scared to try and stop him

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u/CoG_Brotato May 28 '22

Not only that. God forbid they go in and save the other children while saving theirs. Every single police officer should be ashamed by what happened.

I'd like to think that most of us are tired of seeing this same exact news cycle every other week

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u/novavegasxiii May 28 '22

Come to think of it I could be wrong on this but I can't remember any mass shooting where I was impressed by the police response.

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u/Worth-Conclusion-66 May 27 '22

And they did know where he was. There were students literally calling 911 and telling them what room he was fucking in.

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u/FreeFortuna May 28 '22

My heart breaks for all of those children so fucking much. They must have been so terrified and felt so abandoned. They’re never going to be able to trust that anyone will protect them ever again.

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u/mattenthehat May 28 '22 Eureka!

I mean it should make us all feel that way. If they won't protect a classroom full of children, they certainly aren't gonna go out of their way to protect my adult male ass.

What those kids must be feeling is... unimaginably worse.

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u/dayzdayv May 28 '22

On the live stream video there are two school nurses telling an officer room numbers and where in the building those rooms are / where the shooter entered.

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u/Korazair May 28 '22

They also got another hint when they told the children to yell for help and he came in and shot the girl that followed their directions.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Cop: "If I get shot doing my job and die, how will I ever collect my benefits and paid time off?"

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u/xseannnn May 27 '22

"Who else is going to abuse my wife if I'm not here?"

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u/ScintillatingSilver May 28 '22

"How will I shoot dogs with utter abandon if I go into this active shooter zone?"

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u/duckdae May 27 '22

"Wait, wait. Let me snapchat this photo of me with the school massacre in the background."

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u/debacol May 28 '22

Lets rephrase this for other jobs we all acknowledge they intuitively risk their lives for:

"Firefighters couldnt go into the building to save people, because they didnt know if there was a gas leak, or the exact location of the fire".

Or

"Doctors could not treat the patients, because they didnt know where the airborne pathogen was, and not wanting to contract it, they stayed away."

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u/DjehutyCatfish May 28 '22

Also because doctors (and nurses) sometimes have to deal with uncooperative, disoriented, and/or violent patients. That's a real risk, and if someone doesn't think it is then they can tell me why the police would probably harm or kill someone for that same behavior.

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u/420blazeit69nubz May 27 '22

Apparently they could only engage him if his back was to them

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u/dangotang May 27 '22

Kinda undermines the whole "I thought he had a gun" defense, doesn't it?

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u/sabeltann780 May 28 '22 Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

I guess the logic is: shoot if you think they have a gun, hide if you know they have a gun

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u/eyekunt May 28 '22

Bunch of wussies

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u/Ebola714 May 28 '22

1st to respond, last to take action. Bravery at its worst. To top that, they held back unarmed grandmothers who wanted to rush in!

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u/stcloudjeeper May 28 '22

Also, so much for the good guy with a gun defense

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u/michaelrulaz May 28 '22

To be fair some parents were trying to go in there to handle it themselves and the police threatened to taze them and arrested others…

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u/GWR8197 May 28 '22

To be fair… Parents were trying to go in there because the cops were standing there with their thumbs up their assess. Some cops even went into the school and got their own kids out without doing anything to stop this guy. And the the police chief and soup brain Abbott say, “ it could’ve been a lot worse.” Disgusting. Every one of those cops The responded that day need to be fired and put in prison.

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u/michaelrulaz May 28 '22

I’m just waiting for one of those parents that lost a child, to go off the deep end and take some revenge on the police. This is literally how you create extremists. But I bet the police would respond pretty quick when it’s one of their own.

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u/CoronaMcFarm May 28 '22

In two separate incidents during the manhunt, police shot at three civilians unrelated to Dorner, mistaking their pickup trucks for the vehicle being driven by Dorner (which was a dark gray 2005 Nissan Titan).

I always believed South Park is a parody :')

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u/UniformUnion May 28 '22

They unloaded into occupied vehicles without making a positive ID on the driver?

Hell, even if they did, they should have attempted to stop and arrest him, first.

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u/Aeseld 29d ago

Oh, heaven forbid! That could have put them of danger of being shot!

Just thinking of the terrible risks would have given them the vapors! Thank goodness they bravely fired into vehicles vaguely matching the description and didn't even verify the license plates.

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u/GWR8197 May 28 '22

The Dorner story is WILD.

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u/CircleDog May 28 '22

In two separate incidents during the manhunt, police shot at three civilians unrelated to Dorner, mistaking their pickup trucks for the vehicle being driven by Dorner (which was a dark gray 2005 Nissan Titan).[9] One of the civilians was hit by the police gunfire, another was wounded by shattered glass, and a third individual was injured when police rammed his vehicle and opened fire. The officers involved were not charged with any crime.[10][11]

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u/Logseman May 28 '22

And to top it off, this Dorner guy was an ex-cop who went off the deep end after an excessive force complaint against a colleague, which earned him the scorn of the department and eventually his firing. When he went amok, they just bombed him like they bombed Tulsa. Of course, Dorner was black.

There is a problem when a man like Dorner is right.

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u/My3rstAccount May 28 '22

It's already been done, by a cop, to other cops families because he thought it was the only way to get people to wake up. I'll try to find a link and come back.

Edit: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt

The cops also famously botched that manhunt too.

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u/ElephantSharts May 28 '22

All boastful and proud when pinning grandma to the ground. Let the real shit happen and they back up like fucking cowards.

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u/Playonwords329 May 27 '22

Its crazy how they act when they're legitimately scared for their lives vs what they do when they pretend to be "scared fir their lives". Cowards

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u/mason_savoy71 May 28 '22 Gold Take My Energy This

Black person with cell phone: "it could have been a gun. There was no time to think."

Actual armed shooter: "we need to assess the situation."

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u/Fmanow May 28 '22 edited 29d ago Gold

Black person with cell phone: let’s empty a few magazines in him just to be on the safe side, then we’ll cover it up later.

Actual Shooter in an elementary school full of kids with endless ammo: let’s wait and see and don’t take any chances now, we have all day to figure this out once back up arrives.

Edit: thank you for supporting this comment. Honestly, today I’m losing it on Reddit.

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u/MtnMaiden May 28 '22

They waited 1 hour, for the border patrol from Mexico.

0.o

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u/Jwishh 29d ago

When the boarder patrol arrived they found the door locked and the key no where to be seen, meaning the police for that hour (and twenty minutes) never even attempted to open the door or get a key in preparation. They did literally nothing. Assess the situation? You’d think getting the door key would be part of that

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u/NariandColds May 28 '22

Worse. Black child with what may look like a gun on park playground? Shoot first, ask questions never. Armed suspect? Hold on a minute

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u/WasabiPics May 27 '22 Silver Gold All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy hehehehe

If only the shooter was unarmed then they would've been able to shower him in bullets.

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u/UrQuanKzinti May 27 '22

Unarmed and minding their own business in their home or car you mean. Maybe also bonus courage points if the person is asleep.

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u/GORILLAGOOAAAT May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome Starry

What happened was….The shooting was at 12pm not 12am and as such we lost the opportunity to “no-knock”….err…ummm…he was also already armed and shooting and it was SCARY!!!

“What the public needs to understand is that these brave officers have a primary mission, and that is to make it home to their families” I would like to congratulate all officers on accomplishing their mission today.

“Excuse me chief, what about the terrified, wounded and dying fourth graders?”

“WHAT PART OF MISSION ACCOMPLISHED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?” We are brave, you can tell by our badges, also God Bless Texas and all these “good guys” with guns!

I have to leave now, there is a young brown girl in the maternity ward that miss-carried as a result of her nephew not being able to escape on his own, weird cause I know they know how to cross fences, anyways I need to arrest that young woman for murder. “

“Have I already said God Bless Texas? Oh, I did, well Don’t Mess with Texas then”

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u/Shufflebuzz May 28 '22

WHAT PART OF MISSION ACCOMPLISHED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

I recall another Texan standing in front of a huge "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner.

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u/jackp0t789 May 28 '22

Narrator: the mission, was in fact not accomplished.

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u/p_m_a May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

If only he had a joint on him

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u/Bicyclesofviolence May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

THATS YOUR FUCKING JOB

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u/Just_wanna_talk May 28 '22

Ya, I don't want to apply to be a cop because I don't want to be shot at. Apparently these guys just applied despite of that and refuse to do the job when the occasion arises.

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u/Efficient-Library792 May 28 '22

Being a cop is one of the safest jobs in the country. Im a trucker..my job is almost exactly 11 times as dangerous as theirs. And half their tiny number of fatalities (35ish a year across the us) are accidents

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u/Ehcksit May 28 '22

Far more than half of police deaths in the past two years were from Covid.

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u/4Quin5Decim1 May 28 '22

So the Texas cops are cosplayers?????

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u/malignantbacon May 28 '22 Take My Energy Dread

Even the cowards are bigger in texas

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u/thefluxthing May 28 '22

I’m a teacher. Should I not go to work but expect pay because I might get shot????

(Please read the eye rolling and sarcasm in this)

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u/Cornfapper May 28 '22

Actually yes. Not a single student or teacher should go to school again before this is fixed. General teacher and student strike.

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u/stevo1078 May 28 '22

I feel horrible for the kids.

2 years of covid bullshit having to try manoeuvre and adapt to how education is facilitated to going back to fucking mass shootings. My heart breaks for American children. Because millions of adults are inept and unwilling and unable to protect them.

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u/showme_yourdogs May 27 '22

I've met some cops in my life. But I don't remember them ever talking about the section of the academy that said let the active shooter expend the ammo on the children before you take action.

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u/Magellanic_Cloudz May 27 '22 Helpful

"Let's wait and see if this resolves itself"

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u/wantsTostopdrinking May 27 '22

Marge : [on radio] Husband on murderous rampage. Send help. Over.

Chief Wiggum : Whew, thank God that's over. I was worried for a little bit.

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u/Trax852 May 28 '22

'A 10-year-old killed in the Texas school massacre was shot when Salvador Ramos heard her "yell for help" after she was encouraged to do so by police officers, a surviving classmate claims'

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsOfTheStupid/comments/uzbeuh/texas_schoolgirl_shot_when_gunman_heard_her/

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u/TheresA_LobsterLoose 29d ago

Every new story you hear about this is somehow even more preposterous than the last.

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u/BrakaFlocka May 28 '22

"Ewh, you expect us to get shot? Who do you think we are? School kids??" -The Police

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u/the_idea_pig May 27 '22

Police in the United States have been an embarrassment for decades. A violent, authoritarian embarrassment. Further proof you can't rely on them.

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u/altriaa May 28 '22

I genuinely still can't believe police training doesn't even last for a year. That's fucking insane.

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u/TomatoFettuccini May 28 '22

Literally why we pay them so much fucking money.

What are police for, if not to put themselves between criminals and victims?

Oh, right, I forgot, they're to enforce our corporate masters' will, not protect the populace.

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u/changerofbits May 28 '22

I’m sorry, but fuck each and every cop that was there.

I mean, c’mon, is there ever a more compelling situation where you would feel it’s justified to put yourself in danger if the lives at stakes are children? Even if you’re a narcissistic, power-tripping shit who shouldn’t be allowed within a mile of pinning on a badge, this is your moment to fucking shine. Cowards, all of them. Even the junior officers should have fucking tazed the officer in charge if he told them not to go in.

Shame!

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u/PeachyNude May 28 '22

Oh they were power tripping alright! They had fun tazing, tackling and handcuffing parents that tried to run inside to save their own children.

Meanwhile these fuckers already saved their own children!

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u/Kevy96 May 27 '22

So based off this logic I dont have to go to work anymore because I might get into a car accident

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u/theXsquid May 27 '22

But as law enforcement you would still expect a pension for not doing your job.

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u/RobsEvilTwin May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

If they are "brave" enough to kill unarmed people, but not brave enough to save children, of what actual fucking use are they?

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u/hyart May 28 '22

If the police don't want to get shot, you'd think they would be for gun control...

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u/hamberder_burglar May 27 '22

It's almost as though people don't become cops to protect the community, even at risk to themselves, but rather to be given license to exercise their pitiful power fantasies while enjoying unearned respect.

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u/OmarLittleFinger May 27 '22

You get a better return on investment paying the mob. Actual fucking protection.

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u/Deuce232 May 28 '22

I got off the wrong stop in chicago on my way to the DMV. Was a little worried about getting mugged until I saw just, so many open drug deals going down.

I knew whoever was keeping that corner organized would absolutely not tolerate anyone bringing any heat down there. So I was pretty relaxed after that.

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u/AlphaWhelp May 27 '22

Actual mafioso probably wouldn't have sold the kid the gun.

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u/Carbidekiller May 28 '22

Actual mafia would be "taking care" of the negligent police right now.

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u/hausenpepper May 28 '22

They become cops because they miss their bullying days in school.

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u/ambermage May 27 '22

My old roommate was fired from his position as a security guard at a theme park because he brought a taser to work and used it on a guy who was having a heart attack on a roller coaster.

He tried to claim that the old man was "attacking people" by flailing his arms and legs trying to get the attention of the ride operator.

He told me that he wanted to become a cop so that he could "have a gun and the right to use it."

I moved out ASAP.

Last I heard he posted on Facebook that he was hired as a Vermont State Trooper.

Good luck Vermont, beware of Joshua.

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u/Fmanow May 28 '22

This is exactly how cops are. They live in this fantasy world of cops and robbers and they’re out fighting crime and shooting bad guys and getting accolades and awards and girls nervously admiring them and kids wanting to be like them. This or some variation of this is basically their wet dream. I mean, you know the reality once they do become cops and can now carry guns legally.

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u/deezx1010 May 28 '22

If you ever get the opportunity to go to a police academy graduation. Do it. Fucking eye opening

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u/Grimalkin May 27 '22

It's become so clear in recent years, and especially in recent days.

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u/SmokeAbeer May 27 '22

Meanwhile parents are apprehended for trying to save their own children, looks like sickening display thus far.

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u/celtic1888 May 27 '22

They only kill you if you are selling loose cigs or being accused of passing a fake $20

Or a 12 year old with a BB gun

Or talking back to a surly cop

Or a POC for just existing

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u/beanzinabox May 27 '22

50 armed and "trained professionals" against 1 teenager. Guess they think that they deserve even more OT and hazard pay. Name and shame every single one of them. I hope they all realize how shit they are one day

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u/Kemyst May 27 '22

I never want to hear a policeman talk about how “scary” their job is when they won’t even do the “scary” part of their job. Fuck police.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum May 28 '22

Pizza delivery drivers put themselves at bigger risk.

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u/fate_the_magnificent May 27 '22

Tough way for most folks to come to the realization that cops do not exist to protect you.

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u/Rronde May 27 '22

If the police did their job, no one would be mad. There's a reason why there's not a song called "F*ck Tha Fire Department"

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u/scriptapuella May 27 '22

Where were the GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS?

Oh.

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u/nobody_home_ May 27 '22

Literally outside the building while children were being murdered

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u/Nivosus May 27 '22

Don't worry, they were tasing the parents who were trying to enter the building to save their children who were actively being murdered.

#Justice

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u/jamseph May 27 '22

Whoa whoa whoa. Only the cops that didn't go in to save their own children were tasing parents outside.

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u/Bubbagumpredditor May 27 '22

No, they were inside in the hallway waiting for 40 minutes. 20 of them. For 40 minutes. In the hall rightouse the rooms. For 40 minutes. Check the timeline.

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u/ProfessorDowellsHead May 27 '22

And they have the balls to claim 'they thought they were dealing with a barricaded shooter who was done shooting'. While they stood in the hallway listening to children getting shot. While children were following their direction to yell for help and getting shot after. While they were calling 911 over and over asking for help.

These fucks stood outside classrooms full of children, with their guns on their hips, listening as those children were murdered. Listening to gunshots go off in classrooms. Over and over and over again. For 40 minutes. And they have the gall to claim they 'didn't know' shooting was happening. And their POS leader is talking about how he "would apologize if I thought it would help" but doesn't even apologize. The shameless fucks.

This is one of the rare situations where every one of those people's names and pictures should be everywhere in the country. They should have to escape to some place that doesn't even get news to stop hearing about how despicable they are, and to be reminded of it anyway every time they think of trying to return to the lives they led.

'Course, most of them will still be working in some police department or another in a few years until retiring with full pension at 55 and a few will probably take early disability retirement for the trauma they suffered while waiting in a hallway listening to children get murdered and doing nothing about it. For 40 minutes.

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u/3dymesdown May 28 '22

A mother drove 40 miles, arrived on the scene, tried to break the perimeter, was handcuffed, let go, climbed a fence, and got her kids out of the school.

All in the time it took from the active shooter call to the shooter being killed.

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u/sergius64 May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Yeah... like in all those cop shows where they yell at the hero cop to wait for backup - but he refuses and goes in. Well, no hero cop in this reality. Just 20 dudes waiting for backup.

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u/Martine_V May 27 '22

Cops most likely dressed in full body armor

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u/williamfbuckwheat May 27 '22

What backup were they waiting for??? The marines???

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Texas police need better writers.

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u/scriptapuella May 27 '22

Meanwhile, asshole politicians want to arm TEACHERS to do the job of cops when cops won’t even do that job?

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u/jeffreynbooboo May 27 '22

You are confusing the cop with good guys, the one good guy boarder agent showed up and acted like a good guy with a gun.

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u/ant3k May 27 '22

If we’re going to have guns, we need people willing to act and not wait in these situations.

These officers are not fit to serve their community.

We wouldn’t retain fire fighters who don’t run into burning buildings. They must be relieved of their jobs.

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u/Juwanna_man_chu May 28 '22

3 border patrol agents came in and did your job for you. 19 resignations should be coming.

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u/Vermonter623 May 27 '22

I’ve defended the use of force when necessary time after time. However. This lieutenant needs to hand his badge in. He is a coward. His claim that if the shooter shoots a cop then he will shoot more people? Sounds like coward logic

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

It's actually called cowardice.

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u/Slimmynorthfish May 28 '22

Thats just a fucking disgrace. How did anybody think the optics of this statement wouldnt look fucking atrocious?

This literally implies that the police officers at that moment valued their lives more than the children that got shot. Fucking pathetic.

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u/thecatonthehat2000 May 28 '22

Fire fighters : “we let those people burn because the fire was hot! “

We wouldn’t tolerate it from firemen.

We shouldn’t tolerate it from police.

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u/gerberag May 27 '22

Then why do they have guns?

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u/paul-cus May 28 '22

To intimidate people who don't.

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u/L0uZilla May 28 '22

I don’t remember fire fighters looking up at the burning towers on 9/11 and being like, “nah not going up there I could get burned”

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u/Equivalent-Ad-9710 May 28 '22

Police failed to do their job again. Not surprised

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u/pcm2a May 27 '22

I was told by a police officer in Nashville, who was speaking about gun rights (pro gun rights), that it was up to us to protect/stop/prevent/etc. It was their job to come later and clean up the mess.

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