r/pcgaming Dec 07 '21 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1

Wasteland 3 has reached 2 million players

https://twitter.com/inXile/status/1468284283227832324
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u/2Scribble Dec 07 '21

Pretty impressive for an isometric RPG in this day and age

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u/Drunk_Henri Dec 08 '21

Fallout was the spiritual successor to Wasteland

Now it seems that Wasteland is the spiritual successor to Fallout

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u/DtotheOUG Dec 08 '21

And now Obsidian, Bethesda, and InXile are all owned by Microsoft.

GIVE US A FALLOUT 1 AND 2 ISOMETRIC REMAKE PLEASE

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u/2Scribble Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

The circle is now complete

When I left you I was but the learner

Now I am the master

... ... ... ... ...

You gonna say anything, Fallout????

-taps-

FALLOUT???????

-glances at Bethesda and Microsoft-

I think... ... did it crash???

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u/VagrantShadow Digital Warrior Dec 08 '21

War.....War Never Changes.

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u/unopinionated1 Dec 08 '21

I once played a game called DOTA. It's a spiritual successor to League of Legends.

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

Yeah wild, I wonder if they ever fixed it, I tried it both on PC and One X and both times they were unplayable buggy.

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u/DefiantLoveLetter Dec 08 '21

It was never buggy for me.

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

It was buggy for you if you played it within the first 6 months or so because it's pretty well-documented that it was buggy. You may not have noticed the bugginess or lucked out, but I'm not just making this up to like Slander the game or whatever everybody knows it was buggy.

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u/tristanje Dec 08 '21

It may have been buggy for the majority, but I was in the same boat as the other guy. I never ran into an issue and I played as soon as it came out.

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u/gremlinclr Dec 08 '21

Played it at launch on PC, no bugs.

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

Lucky you didnt get or notice any, but it was buggy as shit and the publishers acknowledged that.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-05-inxile-takes-aim-at-wasteland-3-bugs-that-in-some-cases-make-the-game-unplayable

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u/2Scribble Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

-squint-

Who are you talking to????? I was talking about Isometric RPGS xD

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u/UpdatedMyGerbil Dec 07 '21

Great game, well deserved.

I haven't played the previous Wasteland games. But to me, this one felt like the Fallout 3 we never got.

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u/jane_911 Dec 07 '21

Did you ever try the multiplayer or co-op portion? Sounds amazing with a friend.

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u/UpdatedMyGerbil Dec 07 '21

I'm afraid I didn't. My experience with this game is limited to single player.

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u/NineJuanEight Dec 07 '21

I did with a buddy. We didn’t finish the game but played a lot. Was a lot of fun and we didn’t experience any major issues.

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u/AdmiralRed13 Dec 07 '21

I wish it had local coop like Divinty. Some people have partners and friends to couch game with.

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u/Reysona Dec 07 '21

Divinity: Original Sin I in local co-op produced some of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had, lol. Some highlight memories for an old relationship!

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u/jane_911 Dec 07 '21

This is what I was weighing it against. A friend and I wanted to pick up a CRPG Co-op game... I hear nothing but good things about Divinity, plus it's more open and less linear as Wasteland 3 (I assume), and you're not sort of chopping up a party in half for the co-op portion like WL3.

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u/Tulkor Dec 08 '21

Eh, at least in divinity 2 if you play solo you can control 4 characters, if you are coop you have 2 per Person, so you kinda chop a Party in half. The game is amazing, just wanted to clarify.

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u/Rocksteady6425 Dec 08 '21

Where is my pepper?

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u/HOU52k Dec 08 '21

Was it boring or difficult not being able to see his move to

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u/Blitzwinger5 Dec 08 '21

Played it with my bro on release through game pass and I will say it was plagued with connectivity issues and we had to restart the first 4 hours 3 times due to a bug in the ranger hq where we couldn’t leave. And despite all of that we still beat the entire thing and loved it, it’s such a good game. Ideally they’ve fixed those bugs and hopefully they discount the dlc going into the holidays. Should still be on game pass too I believe.

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u/jane_911 Dec 08 '21

Okay great thanks, is there any sort of replayability to it? Anything in the game that has randomized elements to it? Or is it just one and done aside from maybe trying different builds?

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u/Blitzwinger5 Dec 08 '21

Definitely the later, if it weren’t for the dlc plus how much I liked the game I probably wouldn’t replay it. A fantastic first time experience but not much replay value and I believe all the combat encounters are fixed (i.e. same number of enemies in the same locations). There’s a good amount of choices you can make in the game that lead to different companions and a final choice that’s impacted by what persuasion skills you chose to raise or not and how you solved other quests, but those more so flavor your playthrough rather than give a vastly different narrative. Not to say your choices don’t have a tangible effect in game mind you, I just don’t feel the narrative as a whole is strong enough you’d play it multiple times to see different outcomes. Perfect gamepass game or on sale.

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u/KilowogTrout Dec 08 '21

Literally just started it this week. Having a blast.

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u/Spacemn5piff Dec 07 '21

Very buggy in my experience

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u/MDM8801 Dec 07 '21

it's good but you're both restricted to the same instance. Can't wonder off alone to explore

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u/ZigZach707 Dec 08 '21

Is it possible to play coop if only 1 person owns the game, or does it require both players to own it?

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u/Twig Dec 08 '21

I believe both. No couch coop

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u/mtarascio Dec 07 '21

Just finished it last week and have Fallout 2 as one of my favorites of all time.

Can agree on this assessment. Although the scale of everything is smaller, but I appreciate that as I get older.

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u/chmilz Dec 07 '21

I liked 2 more than 3. You should definitely play it.

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u/DeedTheInky . Dec 08 '21

I had the opposite thing, I didn't really get on with 2 but I grabbed 3 in the recent sale and I'm having a great time with it so far. :)

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u/Mikeavelli Dec 08 '21

2 was better for the first half, but goes downhill hard on the second map. 3 is consistently good the whole way through.

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u/Can_of_Ubik Dec 08 '21

I didn't much care for snowy setting of the 3rd, however I'd put them very close judging by the amount of enjoyment I got from those. Definitely would recommend both for RPG/post-apoc/Fallout lovers.

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u/UpdatedMyGerbil Dec 07 '21

I tried. When I said I didn't play them, I guess I should've said for anything more than a few minutes.

I didn't mind reading through walls of text when I was a kid with all the time in the world and games couldn't make room for voice acting on the CDs they had to fit into.

But now we all these GBs to spare, and I have much less leisure time. I just don't have the time or patience for games that aren't fully voiced and don't try to make the most of my time anymore.

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u/RandsFlute Dec 08 '21

I just don't have the time or patience for games that aren't fully voiced and don't try to make the most of my time anymore

Uhh I am not sure that makes sense, don't you skip most of the voiced dialogue anyway? You will always read faster than the actor delivering the lines.

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u/UpdatedMyGerbil Dec 08 '21

don't you skip most of the voiced dialogue anyway?

No, I don't.

You do you. There are plenty of games out there with no/partial/skippable voice acting. Enjoy!

I, personally, spend all day reading tons of convoluted crap for a living. I rarely have any interest in doing any more of it for entertainment. And when I do, I'd much rather read a book. Even then, I usually prefer audiobooks.

In games, I don't find reading faster, I don't find it more immersive, I don't find it more enjoyable, and I don't find it preferable in any way.

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u/HugeMongo Dec 08 '21

I didn't mind reading through walls of text when I was a kid with all the time in the world and games couldn't make room for voice acting on the CDs they had to fit into.

But now we all these GBs to spare, and I have much less leisure time. I just don't have the time or patience for games that aren't fully voiced and don't try to make the most of my time anymore.

You do realize reading a dialogue is faster than hearing it, right?

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u/UpdatedMyGerbil Dec 08 '21

You do realize people read at different speeds, right?

Could I read the dialog faster than the voice actor speaks? Sure, in the few instances that I bothered trying. But they're not that common because I just don't enjoy it.

I do not get the same amount of fun/immersion/enjoyment per unit of time I invest in a game if I have to read through and imagine all the dialog. Simple as that.

Sounds like you do. Good for you! You have a greater selection of games to choose from. Enjoy.

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u/ZigZach707 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I'm with you there. I played and thoroughly enjoyed Wasteland 3, but I definitely only read enough to get the gist of a questline and then skipped the rest.

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u/HugeMongo Dec 08 '21

Well, you don't like to read, wich I understand. I just think the "time" justification doesn't hold up.

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u/fallsdarkness Dec 19 '21

I only started playing Wasteland 3 for the first time yesterday and this is exactly what I said to myself a few hours in. Definitely the game that Fallout 3 should have been. Thank you, devs.

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u/every_evening_i_bed Dec 07 '21

If only the humor was good instead of pure cringe

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u/Can_of_Ubik Dec 08 '21

The 2nd one was also pretty good, although I'm not sure how it holds up after the 3rd.

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u/RetroTheGameBro Dec 07 '21

This and 2 didn't click for me at first, but I stuck with it and its a great experience

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u/JackFunk Dec 08 '21

So you played both. I played 2 and enjoyed it, but I felt it lacked personality compared to Fallout 1 & 2, kind of like how the Icewind Dale games lacked personality compared to the Baldur's Gate games.

So, how was 3 compared to 2?

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u/ZigZach707 Dec 08 '21

3 has much more personality than 2. I immediately found the world and characters to be more vibrant and engaging.

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u/SoManyGoblins Dec 08 '21

And the combat is much, much improved. I didn't enjoy it one bit in 2.

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u/themiraclemaker Dec 08 '21

What do you not enjoy? Having only assault and sniper rifles as viable combat options? Or that reviving is skill gated and takes two turns in combat? Or that you automatically start last in initiative order if a combat starts with a cutscene or dialogue?

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u/JackFunk Dec 08 '21

Awesome. Thanks for replying.

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u/Stoicism0 Dec 08 '21

I'll be joining them soon

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u/cooldude5500 GTX 960 Dec 07 '21

TIL Wasteland 3 released...

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u/Tantric989 Dec 07 '21

I was sitting here like... I still have Wasteland 2 in my backlog though...

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u/WINDEX_DRINKER No, I don't think you understand ;) Dec 08 '21

I tried to, but it felt like such a slog compared to other iso crpgs.

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u/Khiva Dec 08 '21

It was. But Wasteland 3 is legit head and shoulders over Wasteland 2.

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u/ric2b . Dec 08 '21

Can I jump straight to 3 or is the story very dependent on the previous ones?

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u/TheRoguePatriot Dec 08 '21

You can honestly just read about the previous games and catch up, or you can watch this basic coverage of the Wasteland story so far

If you want a more in depth cover of Wasteland 2, I recommend this video

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u/GreenSpade7 Dec 07 '21

You're missing out. Make sure you grab it. Winter sales should kick in soon

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u/PapaNixon I own too many PCs Dec 08 '21

It's on Gamepass as well.

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u/kentonw223 Dec 08 '21

It was dirt cheap during the sale steam just had so I'm sure it'll be on deep discount again shortly

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u/Ithildin_cosplay Dec 08 '21

And it's even on gamepass xp

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u/CatatonicMatador Dec 07 '21

Is that a lot then?

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u/SoloKingRobert Dec 07 '21

It is for a role-playing game

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u/Darkersun Dec 07 '21

C RPG.

RPGs include all the Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Witcher 3, Monster Hunter: World, etc.

Sorry if its pedantic, but I didn't want people to get confused and rack-and-stack this game next to big budget FPS / Third-Person RPGs.

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u/arkzak Dec 08 '21

CRPG and RPG itself are generally meaningless terms. I would define an RPG as a game that lets you influence the story through decision making or conversation but that's completely subjective.

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u/SigmaWhy Dec 08 '21

There’s a huge difference between games like Witcher 3, Mass Effect, and Outer Worlds (general RPGs) and CRPGs like Wasteland 3, Pathfinder, and Divinity Original Sin. I don’t see how you could possibly say this difference is meaningless

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u/Darkersun Dec 08 '21

I agree that they aren't firm definitions but as I noted in another comment the CRPG is more of a subgenre with (sadly) less appeal than RPG games as a whole.

It was just an apples to apples thing. Wasteland 3 at 2 mil is nothing unless you look at others in its niche.

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u/NSMetroid Dec 08 '21

Crpg is just as firm a definition as arpg and jrpg.

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u/JustOneMorePuff Dec 08 '21

I would take it one step further and say an rpg must allow for the player to create and play as a certain role in a number of different ways. If you can’t roll a character and try different play styles, builds, and more importantly assume characters who have different backgrounds and personalities than in my opinion it’s not a role playing game. I’d class things like Zelda and the Witcher as open world adventure games, not RPGs in the classic sense.

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u/Mystycul Dec 07 '21

The C in CRPG stands for Computer. A CRPG just means an RPG style game on the computer, or more broadly just in a video game format. It was a thing because some of the most notable early RPGs were from the Dungeons & Dragons franchise and they used "Computer Role Playing Game" in the marketing and naming to make it clear that these weren't the pen & paper Dungeons & Dragons material, but games you played on a computer.

Witcher 3, Elder Scrolls, and all those others you listed are also CRPGs. Because they're video game RPGs.

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u/Either_Distance1440 Dec 07 '21

Yes but no. CRPG nowadays is understood to mean this type of rpg specifically

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Wholesome

Sorry, no. What? As someone who was actually around and grew up in the 80s, CRPG means all Computer Role-Playing Games then and now.

EDIT: Hey, a bunch of teenagers are out and downvoting. Amazing.

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

You may be thinking that but do yourself a favor and Google the current nomenclature thru steam tags because this style is pretty commonly referred to as a CRPG and not just any Compter RPG.

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u/Pluckerpluck Dec 08 '21

EDIT: Hey, a bunch of teenagers are out and downvoting. Amazing.

No. It's the children who are wrong

Whether you like it or not, "CRPG" has begun transforming into "Classic RPG". It's refering to the type of games that used to be called crpgs and the styles of gameplay associated with them (heavily stat based and more closely related to pen-and-paper RPGs). Witcher 3 and Elder Scrolls are thus not CRPGs and this can be easily verified by just googling "CRPG" and seeing what type of games come up. Just look at the tag on Steam.

If you're using CRPG to refer to any and all RPGs, then you are in the very small minority of gamers that were unable to adapt with the times and changing definitions.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

I did, and there are hundreds of results from modern, non-isometric games that pop up. But thanks?

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u/Pluckerpluck Dec 08 '21

Hundreds eh? Must have dug pretty deep to find that many under that tag. Or maybe you were just browsing a your old usenet groups?

Here's a quick exercise. Let's go down the list of CRPGs sorted by "Top Sellers" on Steam shall we:

  • Baldur's Gate 3
  • Divinity: Original Sin 2
  • Pathfinder: Wartah of the Righteous
  • Disco Elysium
  • Wasteland 3
  • Solasta
  • TaleSpire
  • Pathfinder: Kingmaker
  • Stolen Realm
  • Baldur's Gate
  • Pillars of Eternity II
  • Cultist Simulator (Our first anomoly!)
  • Baldur's Gate II
  • Tainted Grail: Conquest (Picking up a few tactical card games now, albeit rarely)
  • Divinity: Original Sin
  • Death Trash
  • Neverwinter Nights
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Tyranny
  • Gamedec
  • Vagrus
  • Encased

I mean... I could keep going. Definitley no games like The Witcher 3.

Whether you like it or not, the term has moved on and the vast majority of people use it to mean a specific style of RPG. I really hope you're at least 65, becuase otherwise you're way too young to have this "You kids get off my lawn" mentality. Do you also go around claiming that describing something as "fantastic" means that it's of fantasy? I think that changed in about the 1930s.

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u/Portgas Dec 09 '21

Crpg = coolest rpg, according to this list😎

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

Nah, early 40s. But the lists I'm looking at include games like Cyberpunk: 2070 and DA: Inquisition on them as well as the more classic style.

You and your zoomer friends aren't a "vast majority", but sure, whatever helps your day go by, kiddo. Just because people become older, doesn't mean that their language becomes bygone. Different cultural processes using different vernaculars is a thing. Look into it. But don't get back to me on it, because I won't see it.

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u/themiraclemaker Dec 08 '21

Look jackass, the CRPG refers now to the genre of games that resemble the rpg video games from 90s like baldur's gate, icewind dale, fallout and so on. The reason is that RPG now refers to video games. The old pen and paper/tabletop RPGs are called that Tabletop RPGs. The term is fluid and has changed a lot.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

Imagine not understanding that your tiny little echo chamber in this sub-Reddit isn’t the end all arbiter of language. You’re a fucking star aren’t ya, baldy?

And saying that RPG means exclusively video game RPGs now? Was the hair holding your brains in? Fuck me, you’re hilarious.

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u/themiraclemaker Dec 08 '21

And saying that RPG means exclusively video game RPGs now?

The general reception of it is, yes. The original term including tabletop doesn't mean anything when the majority doesn't acknowledges that

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u/slacktechne Dec 08 '21

You are completely wrong. Whining is simply embarrassing.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

No one is whining, just pointing out a fact, zoomer.

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u/imariaprime Dec 08 '21

The CRPGs of the 80s were of a specific style, a style that not all "RPGs on the computer" follow now. Hence, CRPG is now used to refer to games of that style (typically isometric, with "go there, do that, attack them" style commands) since "computer RPG" is now a massive market and there's no need for a special term for them.

The term's use changed because the market changed.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

You literally just said they weren't called CRPGs anymore, and then called them CRPGs. My fucking sides. Get out of here...

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u/imariaprime Dec 08 '21

The term is now used differently. For loudly trumpeting your age, you sure haven't kept up with the scene over the years. And before you call me a teenager, I'm likely around your age. I grew up on CRPGs when they were the only kind of computer RPG, and have seen the market shift and grow.

If you want to call them "old school RPGs" or whatever, you do that. On your own. Everyone else uses CRPG to refer to that classic style because nobody else gives a fuck if the acronym used the word "computer". Call it "classic" if it makes you feel better.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

Because a small number of kids don't use the term anymore to refer to modern games, it doesn't change the fact that games like The Witcher and Skyrim are still CRPGs. That's the point I'm trying to make.

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u/SigmaWhy Dec 08 '21

Words change meaning over time. Language is not set in stone, or else your definition of a computer must be totally wrong because it originally meant a person who does math calculations

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

No one is arguing that. But CRPG still means all computer RPGs. Just because a certain sub-culture uses it to just mean old-school flavored games, doesn't make it so. But thanks for your super deep, "I spent one week in a Linguistics 101" class explanation. You sure told me! My fucking sides.

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u/SigmaWhy Dec 08 '21

the fact that multiple people are disagreeing with your definition should tell you that crpg doesnt strictly mean all computer rpgs and the empirical evidence seems to favor our definition

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

It literally does. "Computer RPGS". Just because some teenagers have offered up some anecdotes doesn't change the fundamental meaning of the term.

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u/Either_Distance1440 Dec 08 '21

You are correct that that’s all that term meant originally, but nowadays it’s understood it specifically refers to a game in the vein of baldur’s gate, solasta, wasteland, etc.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

So Computer Roleplaying Game doesn't mean Computer Roleplaying Game anymore. Gotcha.

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u/Either_Distance1440 Dec 08 '21

Not really. Language does change and evolve over time, often “incorrectly” but nonetheless new meanings arrive from old words or in this case, an old acronym.

I noticed some other people were insulting you and I’m genuinely not trying to do that. But if you go on to an online forum, discussion board, lobby, whatever right now in December 2021 and start talking about CRPGs, the majority of people are going to assume you are specifically talking about the type of game I mentioned. This is simply how things are in the majority of cases, telling people they are wrong (even when they technically are) isn’t going to change anything, this is just how the term is understood these days.

Is this due to younger people? Probably, I’m in my 30’s and don’t remember the term referring to those games specifically when I was a kid, and I’ve noticed the term really only referring to that type of game in the past 5-10 years. Is it technically incorrect? Absolutely, but that doesn’t change the fact that that’s how the term is being used nowadays.

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u/foot_enjoyer_6969 Dec 08 '21

The "C" is understood to mean "classic", and this has been the case for about the previous decade. That's a more functional definition now that RPGs are more diverse, and PC platforms are not so dominant.

FWIW I'm not a zoomer.

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u/Darkersun Dec 07 '21

And originally "RPG" meant a table-top game like Dungeons and Dragons, but as the person above used it, its more common to refer to RPG as a video game, since the genre is more commonly associated with video games, and usually people say "tabletop RPG" to refer to D&D and similar style games.

The "c" in CRPG today usually refers to "Classic". Wasteland 3 has a quite different look/feel than RPG games today. Plus there's plenty of other "C"RPGs that have come up recently, Divinity Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity, etc. Plus the reboots/remakes of some older titles.

Just google "CRPG" and you will see that the definition has shifted. Games like Pillars, Planescape, etc. are all included (although, Skyrim is in there for some reason?)...if you google "RPG" you get the more common associations...Skyrim...again, but also Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Dark Souls, etc.

More information about these term evolutioon is here:

https://www.makeuseof.com/what-does-crpg-mean/

https://www.pcgamer.com/2014-the-first-year-of-the-crpg-renaissance/

https://happymag.tv/crpg-best-crpgs/

So, to be fair to Wasteland 3, we probably shouldn't stack it against the 10 million sales of Dark Souls 3, 13 million Cyberpunk 2077 copies, or 30 million Skyrim.

But if you look at like, Pillars of Eternity, at roughly 1 million, its doing rather swell, I couldn't even find exact numbers for Divinity Original Sin 2 but it looks like its above 1 million but probably lower than 2 million. That's more fitting for the genre.

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u/iztek Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Nowadays CRPG is a subgenre of RPG and refers to top-down RPGs like Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland etc. Just like Diablo-likes are referred to as ARPG (action rpg). They are all RPGs but belong to different subgenres. There are also JRPGs (japanese).

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u/Yabboi_2 Dec 07 '21

Nowadays Crpgs are isometric deep rpgs

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u/mattsimis Dec 07 '21

Ive never seen or heard that new definition...

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u/iztek Dec 08 '21

When people mention CRPGs today they refer to topdown RPGs. I’ve seen this all over the internet the past decade including Reddit.

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u/segamastersystemfan Dec 08 '21

It's actually not all that new. It was starting to be used in that way pretty commonly over a decade ago, and in the early to mid 2010s, when the so-called "crpg renaissance" really kicked into gear, it pretty much became the standard way to refer to old-school-style isometric or top-down RPGs like Shadowrun, Wasteland, etc.

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u/Spacemn5piff Dec 07 '21

I thought the C was Character and had to do with using multiple characters with deep stat sheets

Never bothered to check I just assumed

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u/MadameBlueJay Dec 08 '21

Video game genres mean literally nothing. Witcher isn't even an RPG, but no one cares. Just call anything anything.

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

Witcher is a role playing game unless you have a incredibly narrow definition of role-playing games.

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u/rdj45 Dec 07 '21

I still think its good for the genre that it is in.

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u/CatatonicMatador Dec 07 '21

I found ATOM RPG's writing a lot more original and interesting than Wastelands

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u/whostheme Dec 07 '21

Did you play any other CRPGs like that? Wasteland's 3 writing, atmosphere, and tone of the game just felt incredible flat and non-immersive for me.

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u/pseudolf Dec 07 '21

i am not "you" but for me it was the atmosphere of wasteland that is very off-putting

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u/HorrorScopeZ Dec 07 '21

If MS say it is, yes.

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u/probywan1337 i7-7700k/RTX3080 Dec 07 '21

I just started it a few days ago. It's fucking amazing. Can't believe it didn't get much attention when it launched. It really deserves way more recognition than it gets

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u/StarbuckTheDeer Dec 08 '21

It was semi-broken on launch unfortunately, which probably detracted from it's attention a fair bit.

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u/ReeG Dec 08 '21

It launched on Game Pass and I played a dozen or so hours on there for $1 so I didn't really mind that it was kind of broken but it was why I stopped playing and moved onto other games. It was still enjoyable though so I'd give it another shot assuming it's been updated and improved since then

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u/rileyk Dec 08 '21

As far as I was concerned it was unplayable for about six months after launch so I didn't get much attention because it was a broken dump of a game.

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u/BruceSerrano Dec 08 '21

What's the comparison to Wasteland 2 in quality?

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u/markyymark13 RTX 3070 | i7-8700K | 32GB | UW Masterrace Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

I have this in my wishlist but can't get myself to pull the trigger. I've heard that this is a great RPG but I'm really just not a fan of turn based combat and, at least going by the steam page, seems like there is a lot of that.

Wonder if there is anyone else in my position that ended up getting it.

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u/Grabbsy2 i5-4590 / intel HD Dec 08 '21

I loved, and played the heck out of XCOM, so I do like turn based combat, but some other games I've played that had it I didn't like so much. Sadly I never have finished Fallout 1 or 2.

Combat is a little janky, and gameplay is a bit too difficult. The last time I tried to play in earnest, I permanently fucked up my save file by going to the glow and not bringing any rad-x/radaway. Every time I leave, I die of radiation poisoning before I can go buy more radaway.

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u/Grasssss_Tastes_Bad Dec 07 '21

I played it on game pass. Never really been too much into turn based or isometric games. Got a few hours in but just never got into it. Wasn't too into the combat mechanics and the writing felt like it was trying to be too edgy. Also had a lot of weird stuttering problems, but hopefully they fixed that by now. The game otherwise looked pretty good.

Probably super fun for people who are into those type of games though.

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u/every_evening_i_bed Dec 07 '21

It's a 6/10 really, wasteland 2 was better in every regard except graphics and sound

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u/HattedSandwich Dec 07 '21

Agreed. The writing in 3 is 90% cringe

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u/Dcoll132 Dec 08 '21

I only played 3 and thought it was fine, what does 2 have that makes it superior just curious?

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u/HattedSandwich Dec 08 '21

2 has silly moments but overall is much less over the top. 3 has Saturday morning villains for major characters and pandering. I liked how much more grounded most of the central characters in 2 were.

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u/Eissa_Cozorav Dec 08 '21

Please the villain doesn't seem to be that silly, we got IRL warlords that often worse than them. Beside the Patriarch is really cool guy that makes it difficult to not just outright...what you think the best thing to do (imprisoning instead of shoot to kill...some characters)

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u/HorrorScopeZ Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

And the ability to coop. EDIT: You could coop in 2?

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u/Paulo27 Dec 08 '21

I really feel you but give it a try eventually, just don't force yourself to play more than you should.

Personally I "love" the concept for these games but the gameplay loops usually don't have enough variety to last more than 20 hours at which point I just drop the game until I feel like playing it again a year later.

This and Turbograd are recent examples.

People will also praise these games for narrative and whatever but to put it blunty it's all shit. You're here for the gameplay and if you play for any other reason then don't bother.

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u/pzschrek1 Dec 08 '21

I’ve always wanted to love these isometric games but since way back in dragon age origins I haven’t found a way to love them tbh

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u/El-Impoluto4423 Dec 07 '21

Wasteland 3 is a great old-school sort of game. It doesn't hold your hands, it requires time investment to acquire assets, craft gear & level up your character (ie, a bit of grind) AND the decisions you make have a significant impact on how you are perceived by the world & how things play out. Even better, the game has no "pay-to-win" or MTX nonsense. Probably not a game for people who just want to run around & "pew-pew" at everything; but for gamers who can enjoy the Fallout tone of the game and who enjoy having to use their brains it can be very deep & satisfying.

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u/Paulo27 Dec 08 '21

Outside of having actual choices in some quests, the game really isn't that challenging outside of a couple of encounters. It's not like it forces you to live with your gameplay-related mistakes and if you just explore the zones entirely you'll always have what you need.

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u/bongo1138 Dec 07 '21

Wasteland is a niche series in a niche genre. Yes it’s available on GamePass but that doesn’t mean people are going to always venture outside their comfort zone.

2m users is a good number and if it wasn’t, they wouldn’t be celebrating this.

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u/Confuciusz Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

I love isometric RPG's, adore Fallout 1+2, liked Wasteland 2 but really disliked Wasteland 3 for its writing. Played it for about 20 hours and realized I just wasn't having fun with it and anticipating another 20-40 hours of going through the motions made me shove it aside.

The combat and gameplay systems are solid though. It was just the writing, voice acting and the game's general zany antics that made it really hard to care about anything happening in the world. And no, not every game needs to be grimdark and super serious (I recently played/finished/loved D:OS2 and that's sort of zany, but that world felt a lot more coherent) but it needs to have some stakes.

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u/Bankrotas Dec 07 '21

What stakes were you missing in it?

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u/Confuciusz Dec 07 '21

Some aspect of the story/world I could latch onto. Since everything was goofy and clownish, I had a hard time relating to anything and thus didn't care about the plot or most of the side quests really (some sidequests were pretty okay to be fair).

Not to say that I hated everything about it, but a lot of the aspects of the world/lore/dialogues felt so forced in their absurdity (while also failing to be, in my opinion, humorous) that it got on my nerves. It did serve to make certain parts memorable (with it being so outlandish) but I just didn't care to spend more than the 20 hours I did in the game. Which is a pity because again, I like isometric cRPG's, like turn-based games, like inXile and wanted to like W3.

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u/Bankrotas Dec 08 '21

everything was goofy and clownish

My first thought was that you were talking about Payasos vs Monster Army in Bizzare. But more I gave it a thought, yeah most of the story and world sounds goofy, DLCs included. And I can fully understand that some people wouldn't like that tone of the game.

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u/specter800 Ryzen 5800X RTX3080 Dec 07 '21

I'm so not a CRPG person, I don't think I've sat through one in my life. I just don't have the attention span. BUT for some reason over the past couple weeks I've actually sat down and started playing through Atom and I'm really liking it. I don't know how it stacks up to the classics like Fallout 1+2 or Wasteland but it may be worth checking out if you like that stuff.

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u/Confuciusz Dec 08 '21

It's been on and off my radar for a while now. I'll might give it a whirl, thanks for the suggestion :)!

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u/lanster100 Dec 08 '21

My problem was that you had to make crazy life and death decisions with no real context to role play a choice with. So it sucked as an RPG. Which added to the goofiness as I wasn't invested in any situation.

Like you meet someone for the first time and 2 seconds later need to choice if they live or die. And I'm just like i don't care i don't know who this is.

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u/every_evening_i_bed Dec 07 '21

Same, humor was so low effort and ham fisted everywhere

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u/PhilLuckyCat Dec 07 '21

Eradicating the followers of Reagan. So satisfying. :)

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u/HorrorScopeZ Dec 07 '21

Wasteland 3 is a fun game, congrats.

Anthem sold 5 million in year one and was cancelled due to poor sales to the point the GaaS couldn't be supported. Perhaps MS should buy Bioware and fix them.

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u/The_Frostweaver Dec 08 '21

EA already bought Bioware back in 2008 so it's unlikely MS will get the opportunity to buy bioware

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u/HorrorScopeZ Dec 08 '21

I understand.

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u/Havelok Dec 07 '21

Just don't play it without the DLCs, the game feels short without them!

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u/Trader_Tea Dec 07 '21

They obviously put a ton of work into patching it after a somewhat shoddy release. Got to give them credit for that.

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u/CataclysmDM Dec 08 '21

Loved this game a lot. Ending felt really rushed and anticlimactic though... But whatever, the rest of the game was so good that I still loved it overall.

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u/PermaDerpFace Dec 08 '21

No hate, because I'm a fan of the series, but it was unplayably buggy (especially multiplayer!) when I got it. Looking forward to trying it again sometime in the future since it seems to be in better shape now.

One thing I'm a bit disappointed about is that you can play on console, but not Steam Link? Maybe that's changed too.

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u/Grosjeaner Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I downloaded the game on Game Pass to try it out. Played it for about an hour, wasn't a fan, then uninstalled it. I'm counted as one of the players within the 2 million. Game was releasd even on PlayStation, and how many subscribers are there on Game Pass? Like 25-30 million? Some people here acting like the game had 2 million copies sold lol.

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u/velve666 Dec 08 '21

I enjoyed it.

Wasteland 2 however frustrated me, the end was never in sight. At 90 hours and what I assume was a few final engagements I just dropped it.

Did not care for the story anymore and it just took so long. Wasteland 3 I finished in about 30 hours or so

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u/KGhaleon Dec 07 '21

I mean, the game was $12 during the steam sales.

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u/foundyetti Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

The game costed 3m to create and was crowdfunded. If it only sold at $12 then it made $24,000,000. That’s quite a success story

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u/whostheme Dec 07 '21

Didn't realize it was crowdfunded TIL

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u/HeroicMe Dec 07 '21

I guess you multiplied that $12 by Wasteland 3, not 2 million players :D

But $30 millions is not impossible - while game pass will eat a lot of that revenue, game was $60 on release.

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u/foundyetti Dec 07 '21

I did! Shit lol. Only 24M. Still pretty good.

Also, we don’t know how much Microsoft payed them for it to be on the game pass.

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u/mbcn Dec 07 '21

InXile are Microsoft, so I guess they don't get paid for Wasteland 3 to be on gamepass. In any case InXile don't need money from sales anymore

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u/DoomPurveyor Dec 07 '21

Those numbers most certainly include gamepass downloads

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u/foundyetti Dec 07 '21

Sure. And Microsoft most certainly paid them for it to be on the game pass. I assume the more downloads there are bonuses etc.

It’s also crowdfunded. Even if only 100k bought the game at full price that’s double the crowdfund which is zero risk

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u/FallenAdvocate 5800x/3080 Dec 07 '21

Microsoft owns them, I don't think they have to pay them to put their games on Gamepass.

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u/foundyetti Dec 08 '21

I didn’t know that! Thanks for the info

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u/DoomPurveyor Dec 07 '21

It was funded on FIG, which isn't the same as a Kickstarter.

Just pointing out the reason they are using 'players' and not units sold is because of Gamepass. So doing hypothetical steam sales math is futile.

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u/foundyetti Dec 07 '21

Steam spy puts it at 200-500k, with 81k followers to the community

https://steamspy.com/app/719040

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u/mtarascio Dec 07 '21

Do people that buy it on Steam but never play it count toward the player numbers?

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u/gloryday23 Dec 08 '21

Fargo said the budget was going to be $7 million in 2016, it's fairly likely it ended up over even that amount. Nonetheless it's likely it made a fair bit of money, but that pie is split a lot of different ways.

Fargo says that Wasteland 2 earned his team more than $12 million dollars, and he’s using a portion of that money to contribute to the total budget for Wasteland 3 which is somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 million.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/28/13081728/wasteland-3-announcement-fig-kickstarter-crowdfunding-release-date

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u/Helphaer Dec 07 '21

I felt the difficulty was unnecessary punishing and deaths of companions to easy to get even early game. I had to look up builds too ala pathfinder kingmaker and wrath.

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u/Sudden_Parsley Dec 08 '21

Welcome to old-school CRPGs.

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u/goodbyekitty83 Dec 08 '21

How is it that a simple fact for a game is cause for a post, but mine that spark discussion gets fucking removed? This is the lowest effort of lower effort posts. mods are trash

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u/bassbeater Dec 07 '21

Go figure, I picked up Wasteland 2 deluxe. Now if only I made time for it lol.

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u/ericneo3 3970X 256GB RAM 2080RTX Dec 08 '21

Is this game more like Fallout 2 or Fallout: Tactics?

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u/Eissa_Cozorav Dec 08 '21

Fallout Tactics with RPG of classic fallout. But yeah lot's of XCOM like mechanic including tactical and strategic use of vehicles (instead of just tactical use in Tactics, or stategical use in Fallout 2)

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u/DannyzPlay R9 5900X | RTX 2080WC | 3733CL16 Dec 08 '21

Idk what it is, I just can't get into top down games.

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u/SirJustin90 Dec 08 '21

Just played it again last night after not playing for months.

Awesome news, amazing game.

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Dec 08 '21

Does it mean we will get more eventually?

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u/free_mustacherides Dec 08 '21

Was playing on gamepass with a friend but it became a glitchy mess and we couldn't continue playing.

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u/SilverBack88 Dec 08 '21

I may have to pick this one up!

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u/empathetical Nvidia Titan XP · I7-8086k · 1440p Dec 08 '21

Really enjoyed this game!!

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u/CheekyBreekyYoloswag Dec 08 '21

So can anyone tell me whether the combat in this game is frustrating RNG-% based shit like XCOM? If yes, I will pass, lol.

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u/Swan__Ronson Dec 08 '21

I really want to play this game but I still can't get it to work on Games Pass..

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u/youAreHere Dec 08 '21

PC? download using the Windows Store app instead of the xbox app

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u/BearBlaq Dec 08 '21

I played a good bit of it on PS4 and haven’t picked it up for my PC yet, but soon I will and play nothing like that. Then there’s divinity original sin 2 left to cross off.

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u/danhoyuen Dec 08 '21

i couldn't enjoy this game... when I first got it when it came out. It was a buggy mess. Then when I want to enjoy it when it's fixed, i already know the story and the twists...

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u/TMM1991 Dec 08 '21

Incredible game

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u/foxhoundvolta2112 Dec 08 '21

Good game. 👌

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u/Galore67 Dec 08 '21

Wasteland 3 was a banger. We need more people to buy it. Love the Wasteland series.

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u/Fightmilk87 Dec 08 '21

Wasteland 2 was already amazing but 3 improved upon basically every aspect. A true RPG experience that no one should miss out on.

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u/elitewillie Dec 08 '21

Fun game. Glad it's getting some praise.

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u/-eschguy- Eschguy Dec 08 '21

I keep meaning to pick this one up on sale.

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u/Ravoss1 Dec 08 '21

Wasteland 3 is amazing....

They took an honest look at wasteland two and the remake and focused on what was good.

No game is perfect and there are issues here but I played start to finish without any hesitation. I think wasteland 3 was the first game I finished in years.

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u/Freefromcrazy Dec 08 '21

I have not played Wasteland since the 80s. Even though i have the sequels. Guess I need to get busy.

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u/thewezel1995 Dec 08 '21

That was a really fun game! Pretty good replay value too! Immediately bought it after they lowered the price. I refunded it the first time around because of a game breaking bug, and rebought it after it was a bit cheaper. Totally worth it the wait.

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u/BrianElsen Dec 08 '21

It's an amazing game; challenging and storytelling A+. Play 1-3, do it right.

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u/reddituserzerosix Dec 08 '21

Fell off but what I played was good classic CRPG

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u/nofriender4life Dec 08 '21

fun game, wish it hooked me more so i could go back to it