r/pcgaming Dec 08 '21 Helpful 2

Budget graphics cards from Nvidia, AMD, and Intel may finally materialise in 2022

https://www.pcgamer.com/budget-graphics-cards-from-nvidia-amd-and-intel-may-finally-materialise-in-2022/
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u/dookarion Dec 08 '21

inb4 it's good at mining some memecoin and ends up 3x the MSRP.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

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u/dookarion Dec 08 '21

I honestly still haven't figured out how or why that market/economy even "works".

I half expect the bubble to burst at some point, or it to be legislated to death.

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u/Prince_Kassad Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

its deeper than you think, mining gpu is small part of it.

tbh this crypto things not gonna burst anytime soon since it turn into some kind of "online money game played by millions".

it had structured ecosystem now with high-tier/mid-tier/memeshit coin. people use coin btc/eth/bnb like bank account. they spend their money to gamble in other lower tier coin and then convert the profit to bigger coin.

I had one friend who out earn my 7-years income by only playing this money game in january 2021 on top of "Free of tax" since it not regulated yet. ofc for every lucky bastard like my friend who made it, there are also other people who lose their money because its a money game.

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u/drugusingthrowaway Dec 08 '21

I honestly still haven't figured out how or why that market/economy even "works".

You know that famous divorce photo, dividing up the beanie babies, because they were all pretty sure beanie babies will be worth thousands one day in the future? And then everyone got sick of the fad and now they're worth less than when you bought them.

Cryptocurrency is like that. You're absolutely right, the bubble will burst and it will be soon. It has one value - good for illicit transactions like drug dealing - but other than that, even the meme about it being "outside of the control of big banks or governments" is a lie.

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u/HailChipTheBlackBoy Dec 09 '21

Crypto isn't totally anonymous for one and has many uses such as a potential ssn replacement, representing ownership of something, publicly recorded contracts and etc. The govt makes a bunch of money off of capital gains taxes from crypto, so they'd be pretty stupid to sabotage it. It's technically one of the things that is funding your stimulus checks and infrastructure maintenance.

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u/carbombb Dec 09 '21

Crypto isn't totally anonymous

How about Monero?

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u/HailChipTheBlackBoy Dec 09 '21

In general crypto isn't, but Monero is special. There's also the ergo mixer.

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u/bonesnaps Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

Crypto can be used for global transactions quite efficiently.

It's probably about $2-3 in eth gas fees to perform any single monetary transaction, moving any amount of money across the world, securely and promptly, whereas my bank would already charge a minimum of $10 for a bank draft, and require humans to process the paperwork.

Crypto is here to stay whether we like it or not. Sure there will be bubble bursts, but it's not going to go away.

There's also the many other purposes folks are using it for, like a store of value to hedge against inflation because banks are greedy as fuck and only giving 0.1% "high interest" savings accounts for the last 2 entire years, and will likely continue to do so for another 2-4.

And like other buddy said, the government already does regulate it. They tax crypto on capital gains. So since their hand is already in the cookie jar, they have no reason to shut it down.

It sucks ass for pcgamers who need cards though, in the worst of ways.

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u/glowpipe Dec 09 '21

Not only will the bubble burst. But many things are happening now as well that go against crypto in general. Sweden has proposed a mining ban in all of EU and EU is pro this legislation. Due to crypto mining wasting, so much energy and the planet is hellbent on going green. It's just a matter of time before having a mining rig is the equivalent of owning a methlab. Except hiding off the grid when you are connected to an electricity grid with state of the art power draw monitoring, won't exactly be doable

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u/Enk1ndle Dec 08 '21

The same reason money works: someone else decides they will accept it for goods and/or services. Since it can easily get around taxes I wouldn't be suprised by legislation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

It's a speculative asset, not money.

People don't make these coins to actually do anything useful. They just buy and HODL because it worked last time, why won't it now?

Yes I get they actually are supposed to be traded "in theory". But let's be real crypto is only popular because people are so starved for opportunities in life to get ahead that people are going all in on crypto hoping it'll be their lottery ticket out of our foreclosed futures. So someone sells theirs to cash in on the next person who bought the hype, rinse wash repeat

Anyway... Back to pcgaming lol

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u/Quatro_Leches Dec 09 '21

its not really an asset even. money gets poured into the economy because it is exchanged for services or physical goods, it is coined to match those. cryptocurrency isnt being coined from a central system to match some sort of a useful production, its the opposite its wasting electricity to produce nothing

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u/carbombb Dec 09 '21

its the opposite its wasting electricity to produce nothing

BTC and ETH aren't the only cryptos. There are many coins, like Nano, that have ridiculously low energy consumption.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '21

It's not the fact that a central system has to make money work. Gold never needed that. Money is basically created when a society can produce so many things that it needs to be able to use an intermediary to exchange goods. Like gold had a certain amount of labor to go into mining it, which gave it value and the fact that you don't actually "use" gold nearly ss much meant it was good for exchange. The fact it's very easily portable compared to a cart of rice, for example, also helped. None of that needed a central system to necessarily give it value, even if eventually one was established.

The crypto that is actually intriguing has a useful function, like SAFE coin or whatever, since you get it for performing the "labor" of hosting someone else's data, so it's derived from a genuine transaction that creates value to others. Most other coins don't have any bearing on the real world other than validating their own ledgers so they're just driven by hype.

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u/carbombb Dec 09 '21

People don't make these coins to actually do anything useful.

Coins like Stellar Lumens are very useful. You can send money to anyone without worrying about their currency and they'll receive the exact amount you sent them. You don't need a middleman to take money from the exchange.

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u/jonasnee Dec 09 '21

thing is real money is usually backed by a state promising that it is worth what they say and with the track-record of that state behind it.

states pay their employees in that currency which means you have a default userbase.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 09 '21

At the day's end, all of that money is backed by the size of economy using it. If that isn't there, the state can still try a lot of things, sure. But the results you'll get would probably look like 90s Russia or Venezuela.

Cryptocurrency today has legitimate economic uses, black market uses and speculative uses. Even if it were to lose its speculative value, it would lose a lot but wouldn't become worthless, because the other two will remain.

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u/DonaldLucas Dec 09 '21

I honestly still haven't figured out how or why that market/economy even "works".

It's all about supply and demand: there's demand for new coins, people who have money want to pay money for them. Yes, most of these coins are useless (I won't say all because there are serious developers out there), but people still want to throw money at them.

That's it, that's just it. Sounds stupid? Welcome to humanity.

PS: you can also think of it as a decentralized casino, to simplify.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 09 '21

Thats the entire reason GPU mining is still viable.

Nope, ETH is still the thing for GPU mining. Now, SSD mining and the Chia meme? Yeah that was a funny one, thank fuck it died.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 09 '21

ETH was specifically designed to be ASIC-resistant, as a response to ASIC mining becoming a dominant force in Bitcoin land. The creators wanted to prevent the extreme centralization of mining power, and this was the solution.

It worked, in the sense that ASICs don't dominate the Ethereum blockchain today, and the distribution of mining power is far less lopsided than it is for BTC.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 09 '21

No. I'm saying that it was designed to be ASIC-resistant. GPUs being the best hardware to mine it is a side effect.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 10 '21

How has that worked for Chia, pray tell me?

"Can be mined on GPUs" is not Ethereum's killer feature - it's a feature that a killer system happens to have. It basically set the standard for what a modern cryptocurrency should be able to do.

If those "specifically built currencies" can't deliver on the level of innovation required for a currency to actually establish itself today, they are doomed to worthlessness, or to live and die by the hype train.

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u/DoubleSpoiler Dec 08 '21

Sure, “budget,” especially once the scalpers get their hands on them.

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u/TiMeJ34nD1T Dec 08 '21

I should consider a 980ti a "budget card" given that it is 6 years old, yet it still sells for 300 bucks lmao. Thank God mine hasn't died on me yet.

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u/DoomGuyIII Dec 09 '21

Im still rocking my GTX 1070 that i bought 5 years ago for half the MSRP and i somehow can sell it for triple that price today.

I rue the day that, if the hardware market doesn't stabilize, my 1070 dies, the price of some of the newest low tier RTX cards are so outlandish it might push me back to beinga console user :/

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u/TiMeJ34nD1T Dec 09 '21

I fear the same, but let's not give up hope. I still have a 750ti laying around if all hell breaks loose lol. That'll definitely run 3440x1440p!

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u/DoomGuyIII Dec 09 '21

The 750ti at least will be able to run some fun 3D indies and old games.

I have no backup in case my 1070 bites the dust, here's hoping prices go down eventually so we can go to upgrade valhalla, my dude.

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u/CravinM1 Dec 08 '21

My son uses a 980ti xtreme and IA happy with it. Faster than a 1660s

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u/sugartrouts Dec 10 '21

980 ti club, still going strong. Was actually thinking of paying scalper price to upgrade for BF 2042 release. Needless to say, that didn't pan out. Guess I can thank Dice for saving me some cash...

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u/Tiny_Mirror22 Dec 08 '21

Introducing the RTX3050Super FE with an MSRP of $649 and performance of a 3060.

Why wouldn't you just buy a 3060? Because we don't make them any more. You can buy this, a 3080Ti for $1199, or the upcoming 3070Super which retails for $999. And soon we'll be introducing the 3095 FU edition, with an MSRP of $4999 and your dignity.

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 08 '21

Yeah mate the GPU situation is a lose lose for gamers atm

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u/NutsackEuphoria Dec 09 '21

This is why I'm so glad that Valve is making the steamdeck.

Assuming those won't get scalped that much, I won't have to worry about them absurd GPU prices, and will finally have a handheld PC I can bring with me during travels.

Gaming laptops ain't portable enuff.

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 09 '21

I hope you got your pre-order in, I'm sure scalpers have...

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u/BDNeon i5 9400f EVGA GTX 1070SC 16GB DDR4 Win10 1080p 144hz Dec 09 '21

Valve made it very hard for the scalpers. Only accounts that already existed and had a purchase history could place an order, so nobody could make new accounts to snatch them up.

I got my order in easily enough, Q2 2022.

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 09 '21

Congrats mate!

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u/NutsackEuphoria Dec 09 '21

Sadly, I haven't as preordering it on Steam wasn't available for my country.

I'm hoping that it'll be sold in retail stores like the ps5 and xboxsex since those aren't in shortage here because most would rather play games on their phones.

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 09 '21

Are you in Japan? Either way, all the best!

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u/SmashingFalcon Dec 09 '21

Just stop buying them. Problem solved. But gamers aren't smart enough to know that stuff works.

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u/Fred_The_Farmer Dec 09 '21

I guess I'll continue to game with my 10 year old video card.

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u/SmashingFalcon Dec 09 '21

Or contribute to overpriced GPUs and keep the price at ridiculous levels. You're your own boss, just don't cry about your own choices.

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u/Fred_The_Farmer Dec 09 '21

I guess I'll continue to game with my 10 year old video card.

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u/BlueDraconis Dec 09 '21

Like, seriously. I should've upgraded my card to something like a GTX 1050ti back in 2018.

I'm still using a 6 year old 750ti and it kinda crashes every now and then. And a 1050ti costs like $300 the last time I asked the store.

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u/mittromniknight Dec 09 '21

At this point I generally recommend to people in your position that tehy buy either a PS5 or a Series X while waiting for the GPU situation to normalise.

They're both very easy to get hold of nowadays at RRP.

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u/DoomGuyIII Dec 09 '21

Hell, even a Series S is great for the price.

Over here it's being sold for like 280 bucks and it's an amazing little machine, it runs Warzone at 120 fps 1080p with 0 issues, which comparatively you CANT get a PC on that range that can do that.

It has issues ofc, like the limited internal drive space, but it can be mildly fixed with an external SSD where you can run store your S/X games and transfer them whenever you want to play em (a 40gb game took around 2 or so mins to go from external to internal, and you can do other stuff while the games are being transfered so you aint locked to the transfer screen)

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u/h4ppyj3d1 Dec 09 '21

Damn, you're right! I should stop buying and hoarding gpus starting today!

On a serious note, scalpers are enabled by those with a lot of disposable income, not the average user. A clan mate recently purchased a 3080Ti for the UK equivalent of 2400 eurodollars and his justification was "there are none available elsewhere and I want it, I have the money so stfu" while at the same time another clan member had his GTX 960 broken and is playing nothing because his integrated graphics are useless.

I should tell this guy to stop buying gpus and enjoy his Intel HD graphics like a real Chad.

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u/World_of_Warshipgirl Dec 09 '21

What do you suggest? I quit gaming and take up painting instead?

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u/Earl_of_Cola GTX 1080ti | I7-8700k | 32gb DDR4 3kMHZ | Quadstellar Case Dec 09 '21

At this rate it is going to happen sooner or later. I have been PC gaming since the late 90s and with GPUs pushing $2k, I am at the point where I don't know if I will replace my 1080ti if it burns out. Painting sounds nice, affordable, and I can hang it up on my wall when its done.

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u/KittenOfIncompetence Dec 09 '21

When the gpu shortage lasts long enough that people are no longer thinking "I'll overclock my old card to help keep up with new games" to "I should think about underclocking and undervolting my card so that it will last longer"

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u/World_of_Warshipgirl Dec 09 '21

I was kinda making a joke, since painting is not at all cheap. Especially when you get into premium paints, where a single 1x1m painting with premium acrylic paint can cost you over 400 Euros In materials.

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u/Earl_of_Cola GTX 1080ti | I7-8700k | 32gb DDR4 3kMHZ | Quadstellar Case Dec 09 '21

Shoot, well there goes my backup plan. Maybe I will get into farming then. Play some real life Stardew Valley (now I just need to find a redheaded school teacher...)

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 09 '21

Or... Pick up an instrument. A decent guitar isn't too expensive these days.

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u/HailChipTheBlackBoy Dec 09 '21

That 1080ti isn't going to burn out for quite a while and it runs even VR pretty nicely. The only part that may fail on it is the moving parts, which is just the fans. Start mining with it and use the profits for your next card in a year.

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u/SmashingFalcon Dec 09 '21

As it is right now we don't even have a choice in Denmark. We literally don't have any GPUs.

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u/sidspacewalker Dec 09 '21

I've literally been playing Excite Bike on my Nintendo Switch haha

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u/MainerZ 5900x | RTX 3080ti Dec 09 '21

Warhammer exists, covers both.

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u/Comrade_Kitten Dec 09 '21

+Dungeons & Dragons/Pathfinder, crafting and painting terrain (both D&D and Warhammer) & getting more mini's to paint and play with.

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u/chizburger999 Dec 09 '21

Get into fighting games in the meantime. Its fun and dont need a very high hardware

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u/demoncarcass i7-10700k / RTX 3080 Dec 09 '21

Lmfao, the fact you think this is an intelligent reply is amazing.

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u/MozzyZ Dec 09 '21

Most people here already aren't buying them so this comment is useless. Literally preaching to the choir.

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u/World_of_Warshipgirl Dec 09 '21

Just for you, I went and got myself this from a scalper. Norway btw.

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u/XenoAlyce 5800X 3080 Dec 09 '21

3095 FU

They've just listed the 3090ti actually

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u/Tiny_Mirror22 Dec 09 '21

Wow, 450W power draw, that's going to be fun in summer.

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u/glowpipe Dec 09 '21

The US has put aside 50 billion USD to start new production lines on semi-conductors which is the only issue for us now. And the US Commerce secretary has told them to get their asses moving asap and start building the factories.

The moment supply starts to get back to normal. Scalpers will disappear. They can only scalp now when there is a scarcity. When stores fill up faster than scalpers can move their product and buy up all stock. They can't move their shit and will only sit with a bunch of stuff that won't sell

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

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u/Fob0bqAd34 Dec 08 '21

New 1050TIs are currently going for around £220 in the UK. When they launched 5 years ago they were £139. 5 year old cards for only 158% of their original price. What a time to be alive!

https://www.ebuyer.com/780604-msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-graphics-card-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-lp

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1050ti-stormx-4096mb-pci-express-gddr5-graphics-card-gx-03t-pl.html

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u/phatboi23 Dec 08 '21

i've seen 970's go for £250 easy.

they were in CEX a few years back for £140 and i refused to get a 2nd one for the spare machine as seemed a bit pricey...

boy was i fuckin' wrong.

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u/DiVine92 . Dec 08 '21

Prices are so absurd that I consider myself lucky grabbing 6600 XT for around $700 back in August. Now, here in Poland they cost around 100-150 dollars more. Not my first choice but for the time being it gets the job done.

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u/Fishamatician . Dec 08 '21

In the UK a 6600xt is around £549 at the moment, msrp is £285.

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u/militantnegro_IV Dec 09 '21

Ebuyer has them for £490...if you can get it into your basket before a bot.

Problem I found with Ebuyer is they don't reserve the item once it's in the basket, only on check out, so you could get it in the basket and it would still go out of stock from under you.

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u/AWilsonFTM Dec 08 '21

….And this is one of the many reasons I don’t like crypto

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u/fuelter Dec 08 '21

RTX 3060 12GB at $359.

More like 600€

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u/Aedeus Dec 08 '21

3060's are 800$+ on PCPartPicker right now. This article is essentially gaslighting.

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u/jonasnee Dec 09 '21

i dont think any of those cards has cost that where i live either, maybe the 1650 esp in pre built systems.

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u/elheber Ghost Canyon: Core i9-9980HK | 32GB | RTX 3060 Ti | 2TB SSD Dec 08 '21

The timing is both a rumor and up in the air. Low-tier cards aren't coming until Nvidia and AMD are confident the mid-tier market is nearly satisfied or ,more likely, if they're afraid Intel will gain ground in the bottom tier if they don't compete.

"Low tier" sound better. I don't think any card has the right to call itself "budget" anymore. Not for a long time.

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u/AFaultyUnit Dec 08 '21

News: New budget cards incoming!

Reality: Refreshed 3 year old cards at 3 times the 3-year-old price.

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u/EldenRingworm Dec 08 '21

Bullshit

The 3060 was meant to be a budget card and look what happened

There needs to be a scalper genocide or something (jk so people don't get mad at me)

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u/fuelter Dec 08 '21

330€ MSRP isn't budget, it's mid range. It sells for 600€ though.

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u/mittromniknight Dec 09 '21

£300 (around 330 euro) was high end until just like 2-3 years ago. The ultra-high end cards like the **80ti cards were only £400.

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u/Muppet1616 Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 10 '21

In 2016/2017;

The 1080 started at ~800 Euros and dropped to ~600 Euros when the 1080ti was released, which remained around ~800 Euros during its lifecycle.

In 2015/2016 the 980ti was introduced at 700 Euros and dropped to 600 a year later.

In 2014 the 980 started off at 550 Euros and stayed around that price until the 10 series was released.

So I think your memories that newly released high end cards cost 400 pounds back in the day are inaccurate.

However even at 550 Euros the 3070 wasn't an amazing deal imho. Although I did consider upgrading my 1080 at that price, but no way I'm willing to pay much more than that or have a smaller performance increase.

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u/kuug 3700X, Radeon VII Dec 09 '21

This guy is like “haha jk but not really”

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u/badsectoracula Ryzen 7 3700X, 32GB, RX 5700 XT, SSD, Win10, 2560x1440 165Hz Dec 08 '21

Scalpers, miners, etc all seem like easily digestible scapegoats to me when the real issue is more likely that the entire high end semiconductor industry has decided to outsource their fab needs to a single company (which is better in short term) instead of developing their own tech (which is better in long term).

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u/jonasnee Dec 09 '21

its better long term as well because it means you only put forward a fraction of the research cost of the chips compared to if you had to make them from the ground up.

the only negative is that you pay more per chip and that you have to compete with others for the existing chips, but when you got margins in 100s of % then losing a bit on that doesn't matter as much as falling behind on tech would.

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u/badsectoracula Ryzen 7 3700X, 32GB, RX 5700 XT, SSD, Win10, 2560x1440 165Hz Dec 09 '21

With "better" i don't mean just "cheaper", otherwise i'd have used that word.

What you describe isn't really long term but - lack of a better word - a series of "short terms" :-P. Basically expecting things to be in the (relative) far future as they are likely to be tomorrow, because that is how they were yesterday and the day before yesterday. But that isn't really long term planning, it is focusing just on the immediate tomorrow and "planning" to handle things after that as they come.

Also not having your own tech puts you at the mercy of whoever owns the tech you are relying on and their circumstances - as is clearly the case here with everyone essentially relying on TSMC's tech and knowhow (knowhow that, in case you at some point decide to make your own tech, can become harder to find elsewhere as years go by - again, due to planning for the immediate instead of long term future).

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u/cronedog Dec 08 '21

I can't blame the scalpers. The retail price should be higher so that the money goes to the hardworking people who make the cards.

If I won a 3080 in a lottery and I was offered $1200 for it, am I supposed to turn that money down? That money could make a big different to a lot of people.

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u/Pittaandchicken Dec 08 '21

Yep. If you look at the market in the UK after every FE drop, you'll see it's mainly teenagers/young adults selling.

Turning down an extra £500 profit is just too enticing at that age. If you work part time that is literally your entire months wage.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

“What happened” was unprecedented demand for GPUs. There aren’t enough to go around, so the price went up. Even if it were somehow illegal to resell a product at a higher price than you bought it, you still wouldn’t be getting a cheap GPU. In fact, in that world, you’d be less likely to get a GPU than ever, because no one would be reselling and so there would be no movement in the market. At least now it’s possible to buy one, albeit at inflated prices.

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u/DoomGuyIII Dec 09 '21

There needs to be a scalper genocide or something (jk so people don't get mad at me)

This but without the jk

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u/hohobar Dec 08 '21

Not gonna believe until I can actually buy it

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u/badtaker22 Dec 08 '21

NV,AMD and Intel MSRP $200
Scalpers MSRP $500

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u/MundaneYoghurt | i5-9400F | GTX 1650 | 16GB | 512GB SSD | 1.5GB HDD | Dec 08 '21

My country's MSRP $950

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u/Diagonet R5 1600 @3.8 GTX 1060 Dec 08 '21

That moment when you have a 5th of the spending power of a developed country and electronics costs 3x more

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u/senseven Dec 08 '21

A 2060 goes for about 700$ used(!) here in Europe, the same price is a 6600XT new. Both make about 5 bucks a day with Etherium, that is the reason the slightly faster modder cards cost even more.

The only relevant news would be that these cards got severely gimped for crypto. But they won't and Intel already "told" miners that they are accepting triple MSRP batch orders in the next quarter. They also won't gimp the cards.

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u/HeroicMe Dec 08 '21

Really wonder why they didn't up the MSRP price by 100% (or even 200%...) - gamers would still be fucked, miners would still buy, companies would get more money, scalpers would need to find new items.

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u/Ywaina Dec 08 '21

It gives the illusion of them not greedily raising the price ceiling. When people complain about insane price raise there would be their knights in shining armor using that non-existent MSRP as their holy argument.

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u/Ywaina Dec 08 '21

This or higher is likely going to be the pricetag imo. There are currently tons of overpriced 1650 and 1660 in stock no way they're going to undercut and ruin their own market. For reference, it's $600 for 1660 and $300 for 1650 right now.

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u/penguished Dec 08 '21

And then be marked up to $800 because these awful companies have done nothing about gouging.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

What could they do? It’s not illegal to resell a product at a higher price than you bought it, and you wouldn’t want it to be.

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u/penguished Dec 08 '21

Lots of states have ticket scalping laws. It's a good idea when you get weasels that just try to poach stock of something to flip it for a ridiculous markup.

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u/VerrucktMed I7 8700k | RTX 2070 Dec 08 '21

I think the issue here is that, as you said, the state governments get involved. The company can’t really do jack. Amazon and such could do more I guess, but really this isn’t in the hands of manufactures.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Scalping is illegal in many cases because it is (or was) easy to acquire a lot of tickets at once and artificially inflate the price. This is harder to do with ticketmaster, etc, but it still happens. Hence the laws.

That is not what is happening with GPUs. Yes, some people are buying the cards and reselling them for higher prices, but that's because the MSRP is clearly way too low and you have to basically win the lottery in order to buy them at that price. This is what happens when supply does not mean demand. And like I said, you don't want it to be illegal to resell something for more than you bought it for.

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u/Earl_of_Cola GTX 1080ti | I7-8700k | 32gb DDR4 3kMHZ | Quadstellar Case Dec 09 '21

you have to basically win the lottery in order to buy them at that price

Because you are competing with hundreds scalpers who will buy dozens if not hundreds of cards.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '21

No. They will not. That is not a thing. You are competing with thousands of normies who want the exact same thing you do, and you can’t all have it.

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u/Earl_of_Cola GTX 1080ti | I7-8700k | 32gb DDR4 3kMHZ | Quadstellar Case Dec 09 '21

If a hundred scalpers buy a dozen cards each, then there are 1,200 cards denied to gamers at MSRP. 1,200 gamers now have a problem because of scalpers.

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u/NegaDeath . Dec 08 '21

All for the low low MSRP of $300 $400 $500 $599 $699.99

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u/Generation_REEEEE Dec 08 '21

I was in MicroCenter last week and the video card cabinets were cleared out except for some current-generation AMD cards selling for 200% of MSRP...and then I saw a guy walking around with a cart full of gear including a RTX3070. Not that I'm not happy with my current card (5700XT purchased in 2019) but in a more perfect world I've have tackled him and thrown cash at the register on my rush out the door.

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u/Generation_REEEEE Dec 09 '21

I appreciate the idea but I you know what they say - a card in the hand is worth two out of the trunk in the parking lot at Denny's!

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u/Notarussianbot2020 Dec 08 '21

That's still a good sign if high end cards are on the shelves.

If you keep checking back that guy with the 3070 in his cart could be you.

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u/Generation_REEEEE Dec 08 '21

Like I need an excuse to check into MicroCenter and see what's new.

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u/MonteBellmond Dec 08 '21

3060 starts at $800 here at retail

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u/michelobX10 Dec 08 '21

Budget cards for $500.

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u/mahius19 Dec 08 '21

Budget: GT 4010 only $200!
What a bargain!

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u/GreenKumara Dec 08 '21

GPU Fanfiction.

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u/skylinestar1986 Dec 09 '21

My term for budget: Less than US$80 store price. Wake me up when 1050Ti performance is available at such price.

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u/inssein Dec 09 '21

After 13 years of pc gaming i gave up on upgrading pc and bought xbox series s. Couldn't find parts to save my life.

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u/walkinman19 . Dec 09 '21

I'm hoping the steam deck will be my gaming savior. No way in hell can I ever upgrade a PC again at these current insane prices.

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u/inssein Dec 09 '21

Same here! really hoping that the steam deck will save me gaming wise!

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u/Grahomir Dec 09 '21

And dematerialise 5 seconds later

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u/Skoop963 Dec 09 '21

Bullshit. They’ve been saying we “may” get graphics cards for the past two years already.

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u/quarknaught Dec 08 '21

3050 ti? Who fucking cares about getting a 3050 ti? These sonsofbitches need to stop making new card designs and just make more of the ones they have already released. FFS.

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u/fuelter Dec 08 '21

"Budget" GPU is probably more expensive with worse performance than a PS5 though.

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u/TheCosmicPanda i5 4690k, GTX 970, 8GB RAM Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I've given up trying to find a GPU at msrp. I planned on building a new rig in 2020 to move on from my aging 970 but it's been impossible. I've missed out on many games over the last 3 years because I can't run them at decent settings. I refuse to play on low-medium at 30fps. My 970 is now listed as the minimum requirement for most games and for some it's too old even for minimum. Bots are a huge issue. A real person doesn't stand a chance against bots. I don't know what the solution is. Sony tried implementing a queue and captchas but that didn't work well. I was never able to buy a PS5 even when I was signed in on time. The other issue is AIB price gouging. I miss the days when a good card was $380. That's how much my Gigabyte 970 was at launch. Now MSRP doesn't really exist and a 3060 12GB goes for $900+.In 2014 I built my first PC with a 970 and could run all games with ultra settings at 1080p60fps for years. For all of the parts, a keyboard, mouse, and monitor I spent around $1300-1400 IIRC. Today a similar spec'd PC is $2000+ not including a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Shit sucks. I'm just ranting.

Also, most PC gamers want a 3060-3070 level GPU in terms of performance not a budget card. I'm considering buying a lightly used Gigabyte 3060 12GB Vision for around $600 or a new one on StockX for a bit under $800. I've also seriously considered a prebuilt which I thought I'd never do. They all seem to have build quality issues. The only ones I've considered are Ironside PC and NZXT. They both use high quality parts and are the best I've found.

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u/Oskarvlc Dec 08 '21

I miss the days when a good card was $380

I miss the days when a good card was $200

PC gaming has become a luxury. Not many time ago you could buy a $120 card and play quite decently on mainstream resolutions.

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u/walkinman19 . Dec 09 '21

PC gaming has become a luxury.

PC gaming used to be the best bang for a gamers buck. Now it's ruled by greedy bots and greedy companies and is a rich man's game.

You can't even retreat to consoles anymore because they are doing the same thing! The steam deck is my only hope for playing PC games in the future.

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u/alfador01 R5 3600/16GB 3200 DDR4/RTX 3070 Ti Dec 09 '21

Your best bet is to catch the next BestBuy in-store drop and camp out the night prior. It sucks, but I did it and got an MSRP card. It was worth the weird 13 hours imo lol.

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u/J_B16 Dec 09 '21

I was like you a couple of months ago,i was contemplating about a prebuilt or laptop, the prebuilt had awesome deals but in some of then you had to switch the power supply, add/ switch ram sticks with a laptop I was trying to find deals with rtx 3060 below USD$1,000.

Well since most of us are not from the US it is easier(and cheaper) to send a laptop out the country, end up buying one, a Lenovo IdeaPad gaming 3 rtx 3060 (max-q 90w) for 930 after taxes and to me that's awesome I just had to buy a new SSD and stick of ram I'm be set for 3-4 years.

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u/Chopstick84 Dec 08 '21

I feel like I got lucky picking up an GTX 980 for £136 a month ago. Randomly listed at 2am with 1 blurry photo on ebay. Took the risk and seems to be fine. Smells like the previous owner vaped 24/7 though.

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u/yugdax Dec 08 '21

Lmaoooo

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u/TenshiBR Dec 09 '21

Finally materialize in a mining rig near you!

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u/n1ght0wlx Dec 09 '21

Budget? Just get the normal GPUs out on the market again. What's wrong with the 10 and 20 series cards?

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u/generalecchi 7empest Dec 09 '21

budget of a couple hundreds $

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u/Burninate09 Dec 08 '21

MSRP for entry level cards still needs to come way down, but also resellers need to stop price gouging. Too bad our governments care more about getting theirs than implementing some price gouging protections for goods.

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u/CaptainDouchington Dec 08 '21

No one wants your low level trash. Make the high end shit in mass to reduce costs. Fucks sake.

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u/celestiaequestria Ryzen 5900x | RTX 3090 FE Dec 08 '21

That's what they do.

They attempt to make as many 3090s as possible, but because they're making thousands of chips at the same time on a die, not all of them will have as perfect of traces, some of them will run slower, some of them will have defects. The portion of the die that has the most perfect chips are turned into 3090s, the rest are turned into 3080s.

They do the same thing with every chip down the stack, the 3070s are the "best" of the 3060s and so on. Often time a middle chip will be a high-end chip that has faulty portions deactivated until it's at the specs of the mid-range part.

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u/Notarussianbot2020 Dec 08 '21

They are building 2 or 3 (IIRC) new fab facilities in the US. Earliest production estimate is 2024.

Gotta be patient.

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u/CaptainDouchington Dec 08 '21

Finally, a 3080! :p

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u/MarioDesigns Manjaro Linux | 2700x | 1660 Super Dec 08 '21

Unless they would manage to reduce the prices of their high end cards to the same level as a 1660 cost before the shortage, then it wouldn't be a "good" decision.

Obviously, people who are able to afford these cards would be able to get the high end card for cheaper than before, but then there would be no option for anyone who doesn't afford it.

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u/CaptainDouchington Dec 08 '21

If you truly are producing one product, consistently, the price of that product is reduced. The high level stuff is expensive cause of all the tiers we have and because the manufacturing process is a crap shoot instead of a consistent thing.

I think there's a comment below me here by /u/DisastrousBarnacle60 talking about Binning. To me it seems like an issue in QC and that fab production seems to be inconsistent

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u/feyenord Dec 08 '21

I just want a 3080ti under 1k €.

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u/x_Darkon Dec 08 '21

Can barely find them under 2k € now, so good luck with that.

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u/MojitoBurrito-AE Ryzen 5 5600X | GTX 750ti | 32 GB DDR4 @3600MHz Dec 08 '21

I just want a card

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u/unknown_nut Dec 09 '21

Surprise surprise, AMD and Nvidia finally releases their "budget" cards when Intel is about to release their new GPUs.

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u/pabpab999 Dec 09 '21

I hope I can get one, I currently have a 1050

I wanted to upgrade to a 3060 but the cheapest I can find is $650

I hope it doesn't get scalped that much, but I'm not really enthusiastic

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u/chedamix Dec 09 '21

"budget" more like actually having to innovative and improve the existing technology that has been rehashed since 2018?

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u/sirgarballs Dec 09 '21

A month or so I got tired of waiting for price drops and just went on craigslist and low balled everyone with a decent card. Ended up getting a 2080 Fe for 450. Worth a try at least.

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u/walkinman19 . Dec 09 '21

They will be immediately be snapped up by bots and held for a king's ransom I bet.

When I see one on the shelf at MSRP price I will believe it.

Same with the PS5 and a Xbox series X as far as that goes. These things only exist in price gougers closets.

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u/bonesnaps Dec 09 '21

The RTX 3060 12GB is a $329 graphics card. It's supposed to be, anyway.

Really makes me curious how the RTX 3070 just immediately jumps up to $1000 CAD MSRP.

It's almost as if they need a wider model range.

$400 -> $1000 -> $2000 -> $3000 is not good scaling lol. They need a model in the 600-700 range. Buying a $1000 card was painful.

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u/ParanoidQ Dec 09 '21

I don't want a budget card. I want the mid level cards at mid-level prices, not mid-level cards at Titan level prices...

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u/sadta2020 Dec 09 '21

Lol

Either they come in drips and drabs, or they get scalped, actually both.

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u/thebogeyman777 Ryzen 5 1600 | EVGA GTX 1660 Dec 10 '21

I bought a 1660 at launch in March 2019.

Definitely didn't expect to not only still be rocking it 2.5 years later, but also to not have a choice in the matter.

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u/kaisersolo Dec 10 '21

Too late everyone's on console - lol.

Pathetic

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u/RonaldoComebackSZN Dec 08 '21

just buy the best thing that you can right now with the most money that you can afford , remember the people telling you to "just wait, don't give in to the scalpers " when 30 series cards first started coming out? how did that go?