r/pcgaming Dec 08 '21 Helpful 2 Silver 4

Steam removes popular Chinese strategy game after Ark: Survival Evolved studio claims it stole their source code

https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-removes-popular-chinese-strategy-game-after-ark-survival-evolved-studio-claims-it-stole-their-source-code/
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u/Phemus01 Dec 08 '21

I wondered where that DMCA came from. Everyone was blaming Conquerors Blade to the point they had to put out a statement denying it.

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u/Amnail Dec 09 '21

Damn, that’s insane.

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u/vizthex Dec 08 '21

Of all the games to steal source code from, they chose the worst one.

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u/BloodprinceOZ Dec 09 '21

its because according to the article, one of the founders of the studio was apparently a senior developer or something from snail games China, who publish Ark, and they would've had the capacity to see/take the source code.

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u/Dankdope420bruh Dec 09 '21

This is why ark sucks now. It got sold to the Chinese early on.

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u/BloodprinceOZ Dec 09 '21

honestly it sucked even before they got sold, its just gotten worse now

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u/NiwiGomila GTX 2080 TI | 32GB DDR4 | i7-9700K Dec 09 '21

I havent played in ages, why does it sucks now?

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u/BloodprinceOZ Dec 09 '21

theres a lot of content bloat, atleast in my opinion, and there hasn't actually been anything done to fix some of the core issues of the game, its been the same basically in how it feels to play since launch

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u/Kerso86 28d ago

I just picked it up and started playing...really like it tbh :)

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u/Carighan 3600X+1060GTX Dec 09 '21

No, Ark just sucks baseline. Didn't need Chinese consultation to do that.

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u/hornwalker Dec 09 '21

“Now”? Ark has always sucked and I say that as someone who has put thousands of hours into it.

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u/Yuno-Cake Dec 09 '21

Is Ark that bad ?

I've always been curious to try it, considering the very positive reviews on steam.

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u/beka13 Dec 09 '21

You get to ride dinosaurs.

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u/fman1854 Dec 09 '21

It’s one of the greatest game concepts and unlike a lot of games with how sandbox it really is but the execution is so bad with the glitches it’s frustrating

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u/Herlock Dec 09 '21

The core idea of making a survival game with dinosaurs is super cool.

The execution is terrible though. As many have mentioned already : performance is dog shit, like really.

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u/Mastur4 Dec 09 '21

It's not a bad game, it has a great idea It got badly implemented, however. I'd say the worst things are the bugs and hitboxes Still, the grind is weirdly fun (at least for me), the creatures are fun to tamdle and control, and the maps are amazing Most fans have a love-hate relation with it, and I'd say that you should try it out if it wasn't full price

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u/icon58 Dec 09 '21

My thing is it would glitch and the dinosaur would eat me through a rock I was hiding from...

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u/rocketcrap Dec 09 '21

I bought it on ps4 because it had splitscreen. To get it to run the resolution was so low that I couldn't read the text in the menu. I'm not kidding. I also tried it on a 1080 back when that was a top dog card and I had to lower a lot of settings. You can tweak the setting to give a 3090 a hard workout, consider how old the game is when you figure if that's a good thing or not. You know how some games have people with 5k hours and a thumbs down? Ark is the only time I understood that.

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u/casualrocket Dec 09 '21

I have 2k hours, there is no point where it feels like a polished game.

It had its charm for sure, its wonky rust with dinos. If its cheap play with a few buds and turn everythung up by 10x. The default rates for anything is way too low.

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u/workana Dec 09 '21

It's hard to recommend it to anyone, even with the thousands of hours I've spent in it. I personally just accepted the janky mess and still have fun with it, but not everyone will find it fun enough to ignore/accept the problems

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u/Mnawab Dec 09 '21

You get the right dinosaurs and throw poop at people, and the poop comes from your own character. That being said they released DLC during their alpha face so they're definitely kind of scumbags and their games don't always run that well. I'd look more into rust than ark.

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u/Z0mbiejay Dec 09 '21

I fucking love it on my private server doing PVE stuff with a shit ton of mods and tweaks.

On the flip side I absolutely can't be bothered with anything official. Taking real life hours to tame simple dinos is bonkers to me. Especially when someone can just shit on your parade in an instant wasting all that time.

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u/Prototype9 Dec 09 '21

Ark is good but too many bugs and glitches. Also the worst hitbox in human history

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u/MrTastix Dec 09 '21

As a builder it's one of the most frustratingly jank experiences, even with the Structures Plus mod to help it.

Snap points are all kinds of fucky and just because an object says it'll place doesn't mean it will, or if it does it'll do it in a spot completely unrelated to where it was showing it'd be placed.

Contrast this with, say, Conan Exiles and it's night and fucking day. Valheim and 7 Days to Die all have way better fucking experiences, too.

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u/Prototype9 Dec 09 '21

Yeah Ark only had the novelty of a dinosaurs instead of the zombies everyone was doing at the time. I sunk over 2k hours on ark (started the day they added velociraptor).

Now 7 DtD I've spent more than 5k hours on, if only it didn't ran like shit. I have a pretty beefy pc and both Ark and 7DtD are horribly unoptimized. I also cried once because my house I was building ( couple WEEKS of solid build time ) collapsed after a badly placed catwalk.

Both game I have a massive love/hate relationship and with A20 out I might go back

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u/MrTastix Dec 09 '21

The big thing about both games is they're both made by super inexperienced development teams and they were both started during the general rise of the genre.

So you have an emerging genre being made by people with very little experience in said genre, if not making games at all, making rather complicated and performance-heavy products.

7 Days to Die seems to have ramped up it's dev team significantly in the past year or so so maybe that'll help speed up the cycle a bit because being in alpha for what, 7 years now, is a bit ridiculous. ARK on the other hand likely won't get better because the devs have always preferred making new content rather than fixing old shit. Best you can hope for is ARK 2 is improved from the start.

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u/NapsterKnowHow Dec 09 '21

They are some of the prime examples of games that truly never left the "early access" stage lol

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u/Pyrrhrick Dec 09 '21

You'll be pleased to know A20 has a structural integrity indicator now!

Still runs like arse but for a fully destructible world I guess that's the cost.

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u/LordCloverskull Dec 09 '21

Man 7Days is such a good game despite being such a shit game.

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u/ThatVlam Dec 09 '21

Conan exiles is so much fun

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u/vizthex Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

Yeah the concept is good, but the execution was awful.

The performance is dogshit too.

I've got a good mid-range PC, but even on the lowest settings the game just barely runs.

Every other game I own works perfectly fine, some even on the highest settings.

Not to mention the progression and overall goal is just not explained at all, on top of a myriad of other issues.

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u/Discobros Dec 09 '21

When ark was less than a year old I bought it to play on my 660m gaming laptop. The only way I could get semi-playable frames was graphics settings so low it looked like a van gogh painting. Fastest and first refund on steam.

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u/SadisticFerras Dec 09 '21

If it looked like a van Gogh painiting it was probable better than the original graphics on ultra.

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u/Mr_tarrasque Dec 09 '21

I mean a 660 mobile is also absolutely ancient even when ark came out.

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u/Discobros Dec 09 '21

True. I didn't build my first desktop until a year after Ark first released but by then I wasn't interested in Ark anymore.

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u/N00N3AT011 Dec 09 '21

I haven't played it myself but as far as I can tell ark bears all the signs of a newbie developer and not in a good way.

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u/asianwaste Dec 09 '21

All I know is that I tried playing the game and my starting spawn point was being encased in some player made warehouse that wouldn't let me out.

After that it was hours trying to find a server that wouldn't spawn kill me.

I gave up.

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u/Renegade_Meister RTX 3080, 5600X Dec 09 '21

Then you should post Ark content to /r/hitboxgore

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_MESMER Dec 09 '21

Also the worst hitbox in human history

Battlefield 2042 sweating

So glad I got my refund omg

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u/FremenDar979 . Dec 09 '21

Does it still have shitty storage space compression?

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u/ItsThanosNotThenos Dec 09 '21

Is it that bad? I'm enjoying Conan Exiles right now (but also lots of bugs as in Funcom's games) and planning to try Ark next Steam sale.

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u/Prototype9 Dec 09 '21

If you like dinosaurs and you can tolerate bugs and glitches it is good. Even better if you have friend to play with, or if you play on a server with a tribe ( but that just apply to any game really).

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u/NuclearReactions Dec 09 '21

Also we started playing all happy on the crappy ms store version of the game. We were 4 players 3 hours in and discovered only then that you couldn't disable player tethering. We dropped it instantaneously, such a beautiful world and we can't explore it independently? In 2020? Woah, why bother to put a shitty ass san andreas like coop mode in first place.

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u/Prototype9 Dec 09 '21

Oh I forgot about ARK tethering. I always hosted my own private dedicated server. Hosting and playing on the same machine always gave me some weird glitch and bug.

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u/Dankdope420bruh Dec 09 '21

Maybe they can do what studio wildcard never could. Fix the game.

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u/bongokhrusha Dec 08 '21

If this game used Ark's code, that would mean it would not be able to function at all

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u/TypeDefOne Dec 08 '21

Ark was basically duct tape and unreal assets. Hard to believe anyone would steal that crap

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u/AngryHoosky Dec 08 '21

Knowing this now, it's less surprising that their source code was stolen.

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u/RayzTheRoof Dec 08 '21

is there a source on the info about unreal assets?

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u/Sporeking97 i9-9900K | RTX 3070 Dec 08 '21

Not specifically what you asked for, but the game in general is known for having a lot of default Unreal stuff, and generally amateurish development. They didn’t even bother to rename the exe lol, it’s still “shootergame.exe”

I wouldn’t be surprised whatsoever if some of the assets used are base Unreal assets, that 100% sounds like something the Ark devs would do lol

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u/MuffinInACup Dec 08 '21

Not to say that ark isnt a janky game, but the 'shootergame.exe' has a reason.

If Im not mistaken, as I've worked in ue4 quite some time ago at this point, the executable name is pulled from the project name. Renaming things in ue4 is... Pain. With how the engine/editor is setup, at one point you may reach a state where renaming a singular thing will break everything, let alone renaming the project - that would mean fixing references in all your code which references the project by its name.

Often times you begin with a default preset like 'shootergame' and start prototyping, only to reach a point where it is an actual game, but it has gained enough mass that renaming will cause you too much pain to be worth it.

I remember a valorant dev literally commenting 'we didnt remove those assets because at this point removing them may break the whole game' while talking about unused assets in the game. Ue4's shitty reference spaghetti is the reason for that

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u/Sporeking97 i9-9900K | RTX 3070 Dec 08 '21

I mean yeah that absolutely tracks, pretty much what I assumed happened there. A lot of the settings are basically templates from the initial UE project, basically all the default switches are turned on, most of which are buried in the default ini’s with no dedicated GUI for any of it, so it’s kind of a common theme for them lol

Not like it’s a huge deal or anything, just one tiny part of the overall jank that Ark is made of, and usually the most fun/wtf example I can point to lol. It’s just one of those things that you never see outside of “baby’s first game” shovelware or work in progress stuff, so it’s funny to see it in a finished game, especially one as massively popular as Ark

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u/IlIIlllIIIlllIlIlIlI Dec 08 '21

eh just about every valve game was at one point just "hl2.exe"

pretty sure tf2 still is

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u/Amnail Dec 08 '21

TF2’s exe is still named that, yep.

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u/MrFluffyThing Motorola MC68000/512KB(text) + 512KB(graphic)/768x512@16 bit Dec 09 '21

The Source engine is different in that even in-house games were developed the same way total conversion mods were made by the community. The process hl2.exe is a bootstrap for the source engine that uses gameinfo.txt to load engine versions and asset packs and additional code. They could have named it source.exe instead and it would operate the same. They didn't care about the executable name since honestly the process name was unimportant on windows unless the gane crashed and you saw the process name.

Unreal executables tend to be self contained wrappers that unpack assets into memory before running compiled code for the game. Forcing the exe name to be the Project name is arbitrary but is a legacy thing that goes back 15+ years in the engine. Basically, both are arbitrary names for executables but Epic licenses the engine for third parties, you'd think rename support would be easier.

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u/TheTacoWombat Dec 09 '21

This was interesting, thank you.

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u/kommissarbanx Dec 09 '21

Most Valve games were Half Life/Counter Strike mods so it kinda makes sense. They didn’t really innovate until Portal 2/CS:GO and even then, it was still the source engine underneath.

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u/MuffinInACup Dec 08 '21

one of those things that you never see outside of "baby's first game"

Nope, its pretty common even in big titles tbh. Not that common, but its not a "first game" deal either

But yeah, ark (and many other) games on ue have that distinct ue feeling. Hell, even playing AAA titles I often can just say 'oh, its built on ue, right' just by looking at it or doing some basic actions for a bit, i.e. dishonored

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u/Gigadweeb Dec 09 '21

I watched my friend play Jump Force for the first time yesterday. Could tell instantly it was built in UE4. Really had a vibe of "SHUEISHA, HIRE THIS MAN"

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u/Robborboy i5 4690K @ 4.4GHZ, RX 580 8GB Aorus Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

I remember back when it was something as simple as the UE texture pop that gave it away

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u/HaggisMcNash Dec 09 '21

I always notice UE quickly because every surface is too shiny

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u/DY357LX . Dec 09 '21

Yeah, if you search Google for "shootergame.exe" there's a few references in there for Valorant too.

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u/Prince_Kassad Dec 09 '21

I remember seeing some tweet by senior valve dev about

"what your worst mistake as game dev?"

his answer:

naming the install folder for Dota 2 as "dota 2 beta"

changing it gonna cost them lot of trouble inside the core code. like renaming every line that had dota 2 beta as string or folder location.

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u/ChosenMate Dec 08 '21

is that the default name for unreal engine projects or what

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u/kukiric 5700G | 5700 XT | 32GB Dec 09 '21

One of the (freely downloadable and usable) sample projects. https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Resources/SampleGames/ShooterGame/index.html

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u/AlterEgo3561 Dec 09 '21

That sounds about right lol, didn't they also launch a pirate themed game that people immediately discovered used the same menu from ark just covered up, and they found it by selecting A on an xbox controller?

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u/D1xon_Cider Dec 09 '21

Correct. I forget the name, but in the UI with a controller you could go below the normal selection menu and access the ark map menu.

They also made a magic one called dark and light. Both flopped. Ark is still going strong

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u/Evonos 3080 FE, r5 3600X , 32gb 3600mhz 750W Enermaxx D.F Revolution Dec 08 '21

Ark is still kinda held together by bugs and performance issues.

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u/AbelBHernandez Dec 08 '21

Tbf the use of pre-made assets isn't what makes a game good or bad. I've played plenty of great games with pre-made assets, and plenty of dogshit games with original assets.

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u/Strider2126 Dec 08 '21

Especially because it's still a buggy mess

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u/Icarus_skies Dec 08 '21

Ark was one of my favorite games of all time....once I loaded 17 different mods and played on closed private servers.

Not exaggerating, I absolutely loved it. It was just unplayable in the state the devs left it. Quintessential example of how deeply flawed the bullshit early access system is. Beta testing should be a paid job, not an outsourced system that customers pay to be a part of.

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u/ChillFactory Dec 08 '21

Turns out that each bug in Ark is a honeypot so they can verify if someone stole their code.

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u/Amnail Dec 08 '21

I mean it has happened before.

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u/Lil_Jening Dec 09 '21

For example, Bethesda claimed that Warner Bros copied the source code of fallout shelter for their Westworld clone. They claimed this because of reproducible bugs that Bethesda had in earlier versions were present in the Westworld clone. More info here

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u/chipsandmustard Dec 09 '21

so winnie the pooh went for the honey...???

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u/PythonFuMaster Dec 08 '21

Try using their Linux port, it's somehow even worse.

Cries in corner

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u/MuffinInACup Dec 08 '21

Somehow

Its not unexpected, very few games actually do anything to optimise for linux, if make a build for linux at all

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u/FabAlien Dec 08 '21

And in a lot of cases the native build is worse than the windows build with proton

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u/Adskii Dec 08 '21

You are right, but the Proton support was great and I just ran the Windows version on my Linux PC

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u/kijour Dec 08 '21

Ark has its flaws for sure. But, the PVE private clusters with some QoL mods are really a lot of fun.

I’ve personally enjoyed it immensely, but I have not been on any official server or PvP servers.

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u/LUN4T1C-NL Dec 08 '21

I did like the game even though it was clearly made by people who just kept throwing things together without being able to fix the bugs that created. But today we call games like that AAA games as service.

Online pvp was super toxic though. People who were high level would just wipe you out for fun when you were starting. Did have fun hiding my bases from them and shitting myself at night when I heard something weird though. The atmosfere was kind of cool.

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u/stray1ight Dec 09 '21

This was the first thing to make me genuinely laugh out loud all day.

I used to make Ark mods (ECTC Katana, etc.), and there's never been a truer statement made than what you just said.

I couldn't do better, no way, but there was some serious kludge going on.

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u/peroxidex Dec 08 '21

To be fair, ATLAS uses ARK as a base.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/834910/ATLAS/

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u/Sporeking97 i9-9900K | RTX 3070 Dec 08 '21

Atlas was basically created as a copy+paste/expansion of Ark, you even used to be able to access Ark’s main menu in it too lol

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u/phenocode Dec 08 '21

It's even worse than that. Atlas actually started as a playable mod for Ark (I forget the name, but it was a pirate mod) -- that they shamelessly removed from the workshop and slapped the server stitching idea around when they saw the Skull and Bones release trailer. They even still use the mod name in the file structure last I checked.

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u/bongokhrusha Dec 08 '21

Which they created another company for… it is like a snake oil merchant

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u/Umber0010 Dec 08 '21

Atlas is made by the same parent company (Snailgames) and a lot of the same devs.

Same with that fantasy game released a few years back. Dark and light I belive? Pretty sure that was all Snail though.

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u/vizthex Dec 08 '21

Lmao yup

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u/Tornare Dec 08 '21

Ark ran horribly in the best PC years ago.

They got that shit running on mobile today.

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u/cluib Dec 08 '21

I played It not that long ago on my PC.. It still runs horrible lol. Got It for free on Epic and a friend was talking about playing it.

Super horrible performance on my PC even tho It's high end.

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u/ZeldaMaster32 R9 5900X | RTX 3080Ti | 16GB Dec 08 '21

The mobile game is very different, have you played it?

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u/yobakanzaki i9-12900k | 3080 | 32GB DDR5 Dec 09 '21

I tried it today and I still have unstable fps with distracting drops on top of the line PC.

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u/feedseed664 Dec 08 '21

And runs like shit while looking like shit

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u/StickAFork Dec 08 '21

Had not heard of this game, but this drama is interesting. So..

Myth of Empires : Angela Game is the independent developer behind this game, with this LinkedIn blurb, "Founded in 2019 and headquartered in Suzhou, China"

Ark: Survival Evolved : some info digging into the companies behind this game brings you to Snail Games (https://www.snailgamesusa.com/portfolio/ark-survival-evolved). According to LinkedIn the actual company HQ is in... Suzhou, China.

Hmm... furthermore, if you look up their HQ building addresses.. they are 1.5km from each other. Interesting drama indeed.

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u/Danjiano Dec 08 '21

And, as they said in the article:

"Key employees of the developer of Myth of Empires worked at the Chinese parent of Snail Games USA Inc and at least one of them had the credentials that enabled them to access the Ark: Survival Evolved source code."

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u/StickAFork Dec 08 '21

Aha, I can definitely see how that could happen. I suppose that would also explain how Ark devs might have been suspicious enough to dig into MoE's executables, given that the HQs were practically neighbors.

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u/EirikurG Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Helpful

The game was Myth of Legends
No need to click the article now, like I had to. Never heard of the game though

Edit:
Is it Legends or Empire, they've got both names in the article lmao

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u/EmbodimentOfAgonies Dec 08 '21

How did they get that wrong haha

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u/Arohseekay Dec 08 '21

Myth of Empires, I've been playing a ton but have now moved to private servers due to zerg guilds of 1000+ Chinese players that server hop and destroy everything through numbers.

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u/SexualizedCucumber Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

That's funny because back in Planetside 2, when they shut down the Chinese server that's EXACTLY what caused me to stop playing. The hoards of Chinese mega-guilds that would just jump from fight to fight and sit around crushing everything with huge volumes of low-skill players.. it was just annoying. There were very few Chinese guilds that didn't operate like this (there were some western guilds that did this, but most western guilds were small to medium in size and before the server changes I'd never seen zergs anywhere near that same level)

What is it with gaming culture over there that causes this to be a regular thing? I say this as someone with exactly 0 issue with Chinese people, it's just weird that this specific trait in gaming seems to be common when Chinese players are involved.

It's even weirder because 90% of their fights had those players sitting around not actually fighting anyone due to their numbers. Always seemed like it must be super boring to play that way, even if they won almost every fight.

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u/hondajvx Dec 09 '21

In China they will cheat at a game because winning at all costs is what matters. This is why on games like Escape from Tarkov the Western US servers are plagued with Chinese hackers.

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u/SexualizedCucumber Dec 09 '21

I always assumed Chinese cheating was just because more population = more people that want to cheat

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u/hondajvx Dec 09 '21

It just doesn’t have a negative stigma there. If you lose to a cheater then you should have cheated. You could have so why didn’t you?

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u/karlnite Dec 09 '21

They see it as a gambit culturally. Cheat at cards, well if you were caught you instantly loss, so if you succeed you deserve the win, you took the gamble. Others could have also taken that risk, maybe you both are equal at the game but they cheat better, well then they out compete you with their willingness to take a big risk.

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u/Teftell Dec 09 '21

What is it with gaming culture over there that causes this to be a regular thing?

IRL conscript army tactic, I guess. Imagine this mega guild is actual Chinese army training exercise.

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u/JeannotVD Dec 09 '21

Well irl they can’t respawn.

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u/Teftell Dec 09 '21

Never can be sure

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u/KakkaKarrot Dec 09 '21

What is it with gaming culture over there that causes this to be a regular thing?

Cheating is considered to be acceptable as long as you're not caught/reprimanded. Its seen as being resourceful

Dell China actually made an advertisement a couple years back for a gaming laptop saying "Our players are the best in the world because our multicore CPUs allow them to use lots of external tools/programs in multiplayer games".

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u/Amnail Dec 09 '21

Sounds like being an asshole to be an asshole.

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u/Rooster1981 Dec 09 '21

I'm more and more convinced that 30% of every nation, every culture, every large enough group, are just assholes. This is why we can't have nice things.

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u/qab-jih-nagil Dec 09 '21

True, but there is specifically a Chinese asshole/hacker problem when it comes to survival games. Mostly because of PC bangs.

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u/JACrazy Dec 08 '21

Legends of Legends

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u/Dassive_Mick . Dec 09 '21

Shit, they really did rip off ARK.

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u/Ninja_Pirate21 Dec 08 '21

The Hero, fuck all the clickbait shit....They rather type out "Popular Chinese Strategy game" than the actual name that is probably shorter. Worst part, no game fits that description.

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u/Danjiano Dec 08 '21

It's not even a strategy game, it's a survival/crafting game.

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u/Canadiancookie Does anyone actually care about specs? Dec 09 '21

Not really clickbait as much as it is basic sense. Most people don't know what myths of empires is, so it's best to change it to a more general description that is still accurate.

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u/doublah Dec 08 '21

Article was clearly written in about 5 minutes by the intern, game is Myth of Empires

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u/kalarepar Dec 08 '21

I wonder how many iterations of those shitty titles can they make up.

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u/IrrelevantPuppy Dec 08 '21

Pretty sure I saw a sponsored Markiplier episode of this game recently. I immediately realized the game is a scam and straight up terrible. I remember thinking, “holy shit how much did they pay Mark for this?”

This news is 100% unsurprising to me. Because I also remember thinking “how can a game be so bad, yet the graphics and character models be this decent?”. I bet every line of this game is stolen.

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u/alexislemarie Dec 08 '21

Because you just need to pay Mark to do anything and he will do it, like any other streamer. Any dev can come to them and ask them to jump, they will all do it for money.

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u/OmniRed Dec 08 '21

Its super sad that credible gaming coverage seemlingy died with TotalBiscuit.

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u/Add32 Dec 09 '21

You should check out SkillUp he doesn't dive into the settings menu as his first point in a review, but his weekly news updates are great.

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u/OmniRed Dec 09 '21

Thanks I'll check it out. With TB dead and the giantbomb podcast disbanding I didn't really have any competent games coverage.

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u/Amnail Dec 09 '21

Not all streamers at least. Vinny and Joel seem to be pure in that regard. Joel even faked broken English one time to an offer just to piss them off.

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u/ProdigiousPlays Dec 09 '21

“holy shit how much did they pay Mark for this?”

A lot.

The dude got a free Alienware pc and is an epic games store partner. Probably big money to get on his schedule.

Also he probably has somebody who handles all that for him but anyhow yeah weird how that got through. Other than money.

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u/cluib Dec 08 '21

Myth Of Empires..

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u/cloudsheep0 Dec 08 '21

So that's why the game got delisted. Pretty insane if true.

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u/NoDepthButDeep Dec 08 '21

Uhhh have you looked at tencents history? This is just Wednesday homie

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u/onespiker Dec 08 '21

To be fair this isn't Tencent as far as I understand but yea. Chinease market is filled with it.

Or just mobile legends who pretty much copied lol assets and put it on mobile.

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u/Jewbaccah Dec 08 '21

And have you looked at their fighter jet J-31 lately?

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u/NoDepthButDeep Dec 09 '21

Lmao it's literally just a copy of the f-35. The Chinese really have mastered their reverse engineering.

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u/Biologist1989 Dec 09 '21

Far from it. The Chinese can’t build jet engines worth a damn. Sure, they can it to look right, but defense specialists have doubts about function.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/china-trying-to-fix-engine-problem-plaguing-fighter-jets-2021-6%3Famp

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u/bullintheheather Dec 08 '21

Pretty insane if untrue. Chinese games stall assets and code all the time.

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u/Isaacvithurston Ardiuno + A Potato Dec 09 '21

This is like stealing the recipe to McDonalds coffee. You could but why the hell

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u/HercUlysses Dec 09 '21

Coffee beans boiled for 72 hours, then watered down by about 78%.

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u/CorrectInfoBelow Dec 09 '21

Would someone explain how this? It doesn't make sense.

Comparing code headers in the Myth of Empires executable, Studio Wildcard developers claim to have found hundreds of matching class, variable, and function names in a preliminary analysis

Are UE executables not stripped? Was debug information left in?

Is Myth of Empires UE? Does that not explain the similar components?

Why would devs reverse engineer a UE game when the engine is open source? That doesn't even save dev time. Any time I've disassembled an executable it's a mess that definitely doesn't serve as the foundation for a program. Is UE different somehow?

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u/KJBenson Dec 09 '21

I’m no expert, but it sounds like both studios shared staff at some point. So I think the staff just took the original ark code and pasted it into the other game.

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u/MaarekStele7 Dec 08 '21

Cool that STEAM removed the game, but stealing code... or just stealing in general is typical from these Chinese companies. I mean you can buy licenses from companies to use their engines. But it's just not... ugh... nvm, smh.

HIstory:

AT&T was brought in to build the tele communications infrastructure decades ago. Once completed. China kicked AT&T out and installed their own company to run the system stating that it was 100% built by this new company.

Microsoft WinXP. M$ had a Chinese HQ. It was raided by the chinese government for unknown circumstances when the latest version of the OS was completed at the time(XP or 7). The reason, China wanted the source code so they can create their own version of Windows. Too bad there was no source code at that office to steal.

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u/WIbigdog Dec 09 '21

AT&T was brought in to build the tele communications infrastructure decades ago. Once completed. China kicked AT&T out and installed their own company to run the system stating that it was 100% built by this new company.

This sounds like some IngSoc shit. Rewriting history to whatever The Party wants it to be.

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u/Ill1lllII Dec 08 '21

Huawei stole 5G tech from Nortel.

They designed none of the tech, just badly copied what a Canadian company did.

Hell, their COVID Vaccine is also stolen Canadian tech(thank you Trudeau for agreeing to that stupid deal).

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u/CooperKeith Dec 08 '21

The entirety of Huawei's infrastructure catalogue felt like it was stolen when I worked in telecoms 6-8 years ago.

You'd find other companies names referenced in official Huawei documentation where they'd forgotten to Find/Replace.

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u/gab1213 Dec 08 '21

Nortel went bankrupt in 2009 after years of mismanagement, way before 5g was a thing.

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u/WIbigdog Dec 09 '21

People are worried China will pass the west militarily and technologically. Well first they'd have to actually start innovating. This would involve encouraging free thinking among their people. Free thought is the enemy of authoritarianism. The day China becomes democratic is the day I will worry about their technological prowess.

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u/garlicroastedpotato Dec 08 '21

Weird how this story keeps getting rebranded over the years.

Huawei did not steal 5G tech from Nortel in 2012. Huawei stole 3G and 4G tech from Nortel in 2009. The Chinese government had created a backdoor into Nortel's networks (and Nortel's network was connected to just about EVERYTHING). Nortel was informed of this but decided that if they just changed their e-mail passwords they'd be fine (literally their answer).

Huawei decided to bid on some Nortel work and Nortel basically gave Huawei everything through this backdoor. Some of the patents for Huawei's 5G technology was from Nortel's 4G designs. But most of Huawei's 5G isn't stolen from Nortel.

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u/Ill1lllII Dec 08 '21

It keeps coming out because it's true.

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u/garlicroastedpotato Dec 09 '21

There is a true story, but it's not that Nortel had 5G technology that Huawei stole. 5G was invented by Qualcomm, Intel, Ericsson and Samsung. In a few years magical unicorn Nortel will have invented 6G too.

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u/Zantrap Dec 09 '21

You literally explained HOW they stole it whilst claiming they didnt steal it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '21

Too bad there was no source code at that office to steal.

Lmao. They knew what was coming.

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u/Thirdlight Dec 09 '21

You mean like literally every product that any American company sells and thrn you find 50 versions of it with just different names From china? Heavens no! No copyright infringement going on there!

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u/FlockOfBacon Dec 08 '21

M$

No one does this edgy stuff anymore.

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u/barc0debaby Dec 08 '21

Wasn't Microsoft notorious for stealing ideas?

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u/MaarekStele7 Dec 08 '21

"buy them out boys"

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u/paultimate14 Dec 09 '21

Fuck the CCP, but I'm not shedding any tears for any corporations here. They've used regulatory capture to change laws, they've found loopholes through laws, they've outright broken laws and gotten away with fines a fraction of their profits.

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u/IAmHarmony i7 4790K MSi GTX 970 Dec 08 '21

Who would have thought working with the Chinese government could have gone wrong? /s

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u/sonofjorell33 Dec 09 '21

Just bought it was actually digging it,wonder if steam will refund me

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u/WaddlingHippos Dec 09 '21

If you're under 2 hours they will. They've refused to refund me at 4 hours. It's absurd. They sold me a scam and won't even refund to steam wallet.

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u/ChileHunter Dec 09 '21

China? Oh you mean Northern Taiwan.

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u/ThirtyMileSniper Dec 08 '21

Chines tech firm co-opts someone else's IP.

Shocked face...

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u/Tiny_Mirror22 Dec 08 '21

Tech companies 10 years ago: We're paving the way setting up offices in China so we can make use of cheap Chinese labor and be the first in our sector to penetrate the massive Chinese market.

Tech companies now: We're moving everything out of China to stop them stealing all our IP.

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u/Ghost_OPM Dec 09 '21

No way. I refuse to believe this… Not the chinese…. They’d never steal intellectual property!!!

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u/Difinitus Dec 09 '21

Watched a dev stream on the store page and the animations to sound effects when gathering resources seemed like I was watching ARK: Survival Evolved. I brought it up on the stream chat but was ignored.. guess my assumption was right. Even the UI was similar just re-skinned enough to make it feel different.

Went back the next day or so to check it out again but I couldn't find it on the store and just assumed I couldn't locate it, but now I know why. That was last weekend.

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u/Hugh00Mungus Dec 08 '21

Damn, this game actually looked interesting. Too bad.

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u/LeviathanLX Dec 09 '21

Why would you take from such a terrible product?

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u/SgtGirthquake Dec 08 '21

China stealing proprietary information and using it for personal gain? No, never no way.

/s

Also, fuck China.

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u/derage88 Dec 09 '21

Didn't the Ark devs sold what they advertised as a 'new' game a few years ago that literally had reused assets and even had hidden menus referring to the fact it was just an Ark clone? I believe it flopped very hard too.

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u/Teftell Dec 09 '21

It was ATLAS

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u/KANAFAW Dec 09 '21

Why innovate when you can just steal? Very common for certain nations.

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u/chinchila5 Dec 09 '21

China gonna China

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u/SirBMsALot Dec 09 '21

In the end it’ll probably be one of tencent’s thousands of little children game companies that fight each and nothing big happens because Tencent always wins

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u/Mugmoor Dec 08 '21

This does not surprise me in the least. I was having the same thoughts when playing this game.

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u/micheal213 Dec 08 '21

I’m surprised the ark devs didn’t just bend over backwards and let them walk all over them. Seems like they only do that for the Chinese mega tribes they allow to server transfer to us servers from there servers they own and have bots to fill the servers so raiders can’t join and then they’ll raid onto us servers and wipe everything yku own.

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u/Jaklcide Oculus Rift/Rift S/Quest Dec 08 '21

Joining an Official Ark server is like asking yourself "Why does this server even exist? There are no trees or rocks and only TEK stuff everywhere. Why they do this and how is this even fun for them?"

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u/exjerry Dec 09 '21

If you lived in China long enough you’ll know why,it’s kinda complicated,a really short answer is nationalisms,they love fuck with non Chinese people not only US(but US is their primary punching bag),another trivia they tend to make a surge of negative reviews on games that doesn’t have simplified Chinese (not traditional Chinese because that’s the language uses in Hong Kong and Taiwan)look it up,it’s a really deep rabbit hole

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u/klingers Dec 09 '21

I am shocked and amazed that a Chinese software company would show such disrespect to a fellow developer. Such an unprecedented occurrence not-at-all reflective of a deep, culturally-entrenched entitlement to the work of others and a general disregard for intellectual property.

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u/kudoshinchi Dec 08 '21

don't worry it will be on Epic Store /s

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u/vizthex Dec 08 '21

Then it would give me one more reason not to use that shit launcher.

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u/SeanMirrsen Dec 08 '21

That being said, they do innovate quite a bit in the field of "copy and make cheaper". I won't be surprised if they make the world's first commercially viable fusion reactors, just because they'll find how to do it on the cheap.

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u/Darky57 Dec 08 '21

Can’t wait for Chernobyl 2.0 and the resulting spike in the same “nuclear power is scary” mass hysteria that killed fission power the first time.

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u/Yukisuna Dec 08 '21

It was stolen from ARK? That's a surprise, when i looked at it it struck me as a Conan exiles ripoff.

I verbatim described it as "Chinese Conan Exiles". Turns out it really was chinese, not just china-themed.

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u/Danjiano Dec 08 '21

It does looks more like Conan Exiles (especially with the whole thrall stuff), but the point is that they (alledgedly) stole the code of ARK, not ripped off the mechanics.

Comparing code headers in the Myth of Empires executable, Studio Wildcard developers claim to have found hundreds of matching class, variable, and function names in a preliminary analysis, which they say confirms that the Ark source code was used in Myth of Empires.

"Key employees of the developer of Myth of Empires worked at the Chinese parent of Snail Games USA Inc and at least one of them had the credentials that enabled them to access the Ark: Survival Evolved source code."

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u/MK18_Ocelot Dec 08 '21

Stealing peoples IP is Chinas national pastime…

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u/jane_911 Dec 08 '21

This game was teeming with awesome reviews in the small window it was available before shutdown. Something like Conan Exiles mixed with Mount and Blade / Castle Sieges etc.

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u/LordVile95 Dec 08 '21

Reviews from Chinese bots

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u/Decado7 Dec 09 '21

Ive got about 35 hours in it and am honestly very impressed by it. All the folks I know playing it are of a similar view. There's an unofficial aussie server with around 70+ people on it nightly.

It's definitely an amalgamation of games like ARK, Conan, Last Oasis, Mount n Blade - even Rust, but it's its own entity.

It has a surprising level of detail when it comes to the building, crafting, base building, NPC management. This is no cash grab/has been pulled out of the ass to make money type game, this has been carefully thought out and built accordingly (even if the source code was stolen lol).

I definitely hear assets from ark in the game, but in no way to me does it feel like playing a reskinned Ark - like Atlas was/is.

I can say that in the pre-release media for this one, i thought the game looked shit - ie watching people play the early tests. The actual game has been a pleasant surprise - key word being surprise.

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u/eighthourlunch Dec 09 '21

When you bundle a crime with the most appropriate punishment.

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u/JDragonblade Dec 09 '21

as someone with 1200 hours in ARK, why the fuck is that the game u choose to steal code from? i mean don’t get me wrong, it’s beautiful graphically but holy shit does it have some bad mechanics

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u/blizzard_youaintme Dec 09 '21

this crap game ark should be removed from steam just for existing

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u/KGhaleon Dec 08 '21

China stealing? no way how can you say something so bold

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u/Laue Dec 08 '21

Thieves were caught stealing. Gasp!

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u/Sivick314 Dec 08 '21

Not surprised

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u/Naekyr Dec 08 '21

Lol imagine stealing code for the worst game ever created, but then again it may be quite high to standard for Chinese game quality