r/politics The Independent Jan 21 '22 Silver 35 Gold 1 Helpful 32 Wholesome 33 All-Seeing Upvote 3 Take My Energy 2 hehehehe 1 Endless Coolness 1 Evil Cackle 1 Lawyer Up 3 Brighten My Day 1

Trump White House records are now in the hands of Jan 6 committee

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-riot-committee-records-b1998102.html
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u/BadAsBroccoli Jan 21 '22 Silver

10 months to election time.

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u/SPXJ Ohio Jan 21 '22

The real issue here. They better be quick and tidy with recommendations, because I have a bad feeling that there may be no J6 committee after January 2023 because the House is no longer controlled by the Democratic Party.

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u/Accomplished_Ad113 Jan 21 '22

Republicans can shut down the committee but can’t stop the justice department. The goal will be to get all of the information out there.. make a final referral before the committee is shut down.. and hopefully force the hand of the justice department

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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 Jan 21 '22

We all saw what happened to Andrew McCabe getting fired a day before his pension. James Comey being a klutz. Mueller being hands-off. These things are never guarantees.

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u/Comfortable-Wrap-723 Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

I never had any faith on Mueller investigation because Trump justice department was not independent.

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u/Accomplished_Ad113 Jan 22 '22

Biden has 3 years in charge of the justice department. That’s the real timeline is all I’m saying

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u/travel_nerdiness Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

Am I the only one still angry at Comey? Hillary wasn’t my favorite, but she would’ve won and put three liberal justices on SCOTUS if it hadn’t been for his arrogance

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u/AtheistSuperSloth Jan 22 '22

You're far, far, FAR from being alone in your musings.

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u/Horusisalreadychosen Jan 22 '22

I’ll hate Comey until the day I die. Blowhard might have given American Democracy the final push down the hill to fascism by accommodating fascists in his own agency rather than telling them to pound sand.

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u/BSnod Jan 21 '22

The committee is planning on being completely finished by this summer. So even if Republicans win big in the upcoming midterms, they won't be able to do a damn thing.

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u/Unadvantaged Jan 21 '22 Helpful

It's true that each election is unique in the circumstances driving the electorate, but we're talking about one trend reinforced by another: The president's party loses seats in the House in the mid-terms, combined with presidents losing seats when they're doing poorly in the polls. Obviously the polls may be very different between now and November, so that factor may change. There are just a lot of people saying the odds are not good that the Democrats will defy the trend.

A betting man would say they lose seats, and since they have a pretty slim majority right now, that betting man would also say they lose the majority. It's not foregone that they will, just likely they will.

So how do you affect that? Motivate the Democratic voters to turn out, for one, and turn around Biden's approval rating, two. It appears the Supreme Court will effectively overturn Roe v. Wade this summer, so that will motivate Dems (voter psychology says those "out of power" are more motivated than those "in power"), Trump appears to be looming over the race in a palpable way by considering endorsements, floating his re-election bid and picking fights with sitting Republicans. His presence drives Democratic turnout.

Regarding Biden's approval rating, it's expected the economy will continue to improve in 2022, if you're to believe America's biggest bankers. Covid will diminish in significance (young kids will be vaccinated by then and the Army's all-variant vaccine could be available), boosting consumer optimism, it's still a job-seeker's market, and supply chain disruptions will gradually diminish, though "normal" won't exist in time for the election. The messy Afghanistan withdrawal will be out of mind (except for Republican ads that will fall flat), people will be looking forward to a Thanksgiving maskless with their families again, and hopefully Biden will benefit from quality of life being better all-around in 10 months than it has been in the last couple of years.

Hopefully broken-up bits of Build Back Better and the Freedom to Vote Act will have passed by then, too, and what hasn't passed can be used to lure people to the polls who know it will pass if the Democrats control both the House and Senate. It's a rather optimistic-looking sales pitch for Democratic candidates in 2022 if they can say, "We will definitely pass X, Y, and Z if you vote for us."

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u/rebeltrillionaire Jan 22 '22

Not to mention, potential convictions of sitting Republican congress memebers re: Jan. 6th.

And my personal belief that Biden cancels $10,000 of student debt during the congressional summer vacation.

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u/Seikoholic Jan 21 '22

I had a dream last night that Trump won in 2024. I did not enjoy it.

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u/osdre Jan 21 '22 Silver Wholesome

That’s a strange way to spell nightmare

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u/crewchief535 Colorado Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22 Starry

I want to see Boebert, McCarthy, Cruz, Hawley, and every other seditious mother fucked in handcuffs well before Nov rolls around. I know it won't happen,but a guy from Colorado can dream.

Edit: Seems I hit a nerve with a few Qtards

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u/BadAsBroccoli Jan 22 '22

That is so true. It's like Garland's DOJ can only investigate one case at a time when there's several people in and outside Congress who need the same attention as Trump.

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u/Famous_Pig_Lawyer Jan 21 '22

The records could reveal Trump and his compatriots ordered a hit on an orphanage and a puppy hospital on Christmas morning and Republicans honestly would not give a shit.

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u/NickNitro19 Jan 21 '22

It's an absolute travesty they were able to delay this for as long as they did and it had to involve the Supreme Court to issue a ruling your average joe could have figured out.

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u/F_Twelve Texas Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy Narwhal Salute

SC never ruled on the merits per se, they just blocked a stay of the lower courts ruling, in effect not taking up the case. The lower court had essentially issued a scathing opinion that who is Trump to try and exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch. Roberts agreed at its ridiculousness. Trump never stood a chance and it only took a few months overall, which is lightning quick. Remember this started around August/September, not last January.

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u/BenedictD0nald Jan 21 '22

This. The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause.. The severity of what he was trying to hide (evidence of his coup attempt) is what pushed three decisions to be made and for the Court not to flounder/delay decision at any level.

This was resolved VERY quickly, for our judicial system.

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u/officialkfc United Kingdom Jan 21 '22

I really hope he and all the others who took part pay for this this time. What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is?

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u/VerucaBlind Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Gold Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is?

Given that the US never punished those responsible for the Civil War, never punished those responsible for the business plot, never punished Nixon and Kissinger, never punished GW Bush and his cabinet, and haven't punished any politicians involved with the Jan 6 sedition, it's pretty close to 100%.

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u/sovamind California Jan 21 '22

At least they prosecuted all the people that caused the 2008 financial crisis. /s

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u/tkynysf Jan 21 '22

I think you spelled *promoted wrong.

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u/thermalcry Jan 21 '22

Haha exactly, punished them with hundreds of millions of dollars! That'll show em! /big ol S

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u/woodlor Jan 21 '22

100 percent. This entire exercise will end up with nothing more than 1000 page report that no one will read and end up collecting dust in some warehouse

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u/SugarBeef Jan 21 '22 Helpful

We'll see some people arrested, they've gotten many of the rioters already.

Nobody important will see charges, and people like that oath keeper leader with the eye patch are finding they aren't as important as they thought.

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u/Polantaris Jan 21 '22

That dude was always a pawn, he's just only now figuring it out. The players are all going to walk away free to put together a new chess board. Then people will go all Surprised Pikachu Face when there's a second insurrection in a year or two.

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u/Wobbelblob Jan 21 '22

As a German, the whole situation is worryingly close to the Beerhall putsch that Hitler tried in 1923...

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u/Polantaris Jan 21 '22

I agree, and the worst part is that we should have expected it, their role model literally admitted to sleeping with Hitler's books on his nightstand. The dude envied Hitler. Why are we surprised they're trying to repeat him?

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u/_Hugh_Jaynuss Jan 21 '22

This is the comment I was looking for. It mimicked the Putsch perfectly and it didn’t even work at as bad for Trump as it did for Hitler.

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u/OpsimythOfficial Jan 21 '22

One high profile conspirator will be arrested. I bet Sean Hannity. In the history books it’ll all be his fault for telling trump to do shit on the news.

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u/TortureSteak Jan 21 '22

What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is?

100%

I would love to see him go to prison, but that's a bet I won't take.

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u/furry_hamburger_porn Jan 21 '22

He's gonna "time out" in life before he sees a day in a jail cell.

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u/jwdjr2004 Jan 21 '22

Most of us will outlive him which gives us a chance of being able to dance in his grave. So that's cool.

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u/Strong-Entry-1179 Jan 22 '22

He'll be America's most visited gender-neutral bathroom.

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u/GSM_Heathen Virginia Jan 21 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

High, unfortunately. He has money, fame, and likely long lasting political impact.

To his credit, he did lay bare the greed, cruelty, amd corruption the US politcal system thrives on.

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u/GSM_Heathen Virginia Jan 21 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

That seems overly hopeful. What I'm worried about is him having paved the way for open, strong armed facism in this country.

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u/IrrationalBiotic Jan 21 '22

The new American dream is to get the fuck out of this country

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u/Skelemansteve Jan 21 '22

Yeah i feel you, but sre we really gonna just let them have this country without a fight? Are we going to run away and leave them in control of the worlds most powerful military? Imagine hitler but with the american war machine

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u/Tasgall Washington Jan 21 '22

The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause

Eh, every frivolous case delays the verdict by a few months. All they need is to delay it long enough so they can try again. If Trump runs and is elected again (ugh) he can just kill the investigations outright.

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u/OTIS-Lives-4444 Jan 21 '22

There does seem to be a real sense of urgency here. In the past there was little pressure to move fast- our democracy was safe and stable and the next administration could be expected to abide by past court decisions. Trump shows little interest in abiding by democratic norms, tradition, or the rule of law, so everything has shifted into high gear. While I’m thankful for the speediness of the judiciary and legislature, it worries me that speediness has become necessary.

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u/kobachi Jan 21 '22

No, actually, that's not how SCOTUS ruled. SCOTUS specifically carved out that they weren't ruling on trump trying "to exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch", because trump's legal arguments were so flimsy that they would have failed even if he were still President. They basically said "that scathing opinion went farther than it needed to, and also still gtfo."

It's telling because SCOTUS seems to recognize that there might be, say, a future petty and vengeful President who wants to release records of his predecessor not out of national interest, but just out of spite.

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u/FaThLi Jan 21 '22

Yep, it's very important that people don't think this is some sort of precedent being set here by the SC. It is very specific to these particular documents, an the SC could rule in favor in other situations.

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u/BadAsBroccoli Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22 Silver Gold This

Manipulation of the court systems should make damn clear how far down the road to authoritarianism this nation has fallen, when the rich can rig wealth accumulation and they rig the methods by which citizens can have their grievances fairly investigated.

Trump is teaching his miserable low-life party members how to operate the courts for their own personal justice, above and outside the laws of the United States.

Edit: Thank you for the awards.

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u/Cabbages24ADollar Jan 21 '22

This whole thing has demonstrated that there needs to be a way to stop the wealthy from abusing the courts.

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u/julbull73 Arizona Jan 21 '22

That's not really an option. HOWEVER, there should be a way for either branch to FORCE the SCOTUS to rule on it now.

Even if its a "Nope, we're good it stands position."

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u/Cabbages24ADollar Jan 21 '22

Meh… rising court costs for each new suit especially for businesses, limit the amount of time a case can take, consolidate the amount of documents that can be presented and then charge an overage fee, add a huge fee for businesses/1% income for filing an appeal and losing—have that number go up substantially for each level including the SC.

We need to clear out unnecessary “tie it up in the courts” not rushed decisions because a politician is impatient.

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u/glouscester Jan 21 '22

Tell that to Justice Thomas who couldn't seem to figure it out.

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u/theindependentonline The Independent Jan 21 '22 Helpful

The House select committee investigating the 6 January insurrection is now in possession of more than 750 pages of Trump White House records it requested as part of it’s probe into the worst attack on the Capitol since the 1814 Burning of Washington.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the National Archives and Records Administration said the agency “provided the Select Committee with all the records at issue in the litigation” on Thursday evening.
The spokesperson added that Nara will continue producing documents in response to the committee’s request “on an ongoing basis”.

Read the full story here.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jan 21 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

Here are some of the documents requested by the committee:

  • Talking points for Kayleigh McEnany, his former press secretary
  • A handwritten note concerning Jan. 6
  • A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack
  • A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity
  • The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities
  • Logs showing phone calls to the president and to Vice President Mike Pence concerning Jan. 6
  • A draft proclamation honoring the Capitol Police and two officers who died after the riot, Brian D. Sicknick and Howard Liebengood
  • a memo about a potential lawsuit against several states that Mr. Biden won
  • An email chain from a state official regarding election-related issues
  • talking points on supposed election irregularities in one county in Michigan.

Records from the files of:

  • Mark Meadows, his former chief of staff;
  • Stephen Miller, his former senior adviser; and
  • Patrick F. Philbin, his former deputy counsel

Among many, many more. All of this along with public testimony slated to begin is going to make for some interesting times ahead.

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u/vanillabear26 Washington Jan 21 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Wearing is Caring

The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities

This will be like that episode of the office where Pam is asked to keep a log of what Michael does every day. I'm so curious.

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u/HammockComplex Colorado Jan 21 '22

President’s movements:

-Clubhouse to 1st tee

-86 yds from 1st tee

-108 yds from 1st tee

-122 yds from 1st tee

……

President’s recorded activities:

“Today Mr. Trump birdied the first hole.”

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u/StoneGoldX Jan 21 '22

Logs and movements, I would have assumed more poop jokes.

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u/nomofica Jan 21 '22

Especially seeing as he apparently needs to flush 10, 15 times

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u/MrFC1000 Jan 21 '22 Wearing is Caring

Presidents movements:

  • 9am in diapers
  • 11am used toilet
  • 3pm in diapers again

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u/zempter Jan 21 '22

Not the movements i was expecting.

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u/SFW_FullFrontal Jan 21 '22

He wasn’t expecting the 11am one as well. It even got started without permission.

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u/StarksPond Jan 21 '22

Taking a shit must feel so empty now without Twitter.

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u/Magdelena82 Jan 21 '22

1/6/21 12 PM Mussolini Impression

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

If it had been free pretzel day, 1/6 could have been avoided.

Edit: pretzel, not bagel. And I just saw that episode last month.

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u/adelaarvaren Jan 21 '22

A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity

This one is incredible. HE LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR HAVING THE MILITARY SEIZE ALL THE VOTING MACHINES...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

That seems like a big deal.

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u/trustsnapealways Jan 21 '22

No way. Tucker Carson told me that it was totally normal. That’s the only way to defeat the Jews, wait I mean globalists. Call that a mental typo.

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u/dajge Jan 21 '22 Helpful

HE LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR HAVING ORDERS THE MILITARY SEIZE ALL THE VOTING MACHINES

FTFY, even if it's a draft. Although it's couched as an EO, as Commander in Chief, this is an order from the president to Sec Def, who is in the chain of command for the US military, so it's a military order.

This is the very definition of fascism: "forcible suppression of opposition". So, there's your smoking gun on "GOP/Trump are fascists" to shut down any debate with bothsiders.

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u/Temporary_Kangaroo_3 Jan 22 '22

Its just locker room talk, he didn’t really mean it like that!

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u/Tenthul Jan 21 '22

Also the part about the Dominion Voting Machine systems, combined with Rudy Guliani's PR campaign against them a while back makes for an interesting landscape. Clearly coordinated quite far in advance.

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u/EricSanderson Jan 21 '22

I really want to see the Executive Order.

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u/FoeDoeRoe Jan 21 '22

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u/EricSanderson Jan 21 '22

Thanks brah.

It is absolutely terrifying, BTW.

the draft order would have given the defense secretary 60 days to write an assessment of the 2020 election. That suggests it could have been a gambit to keep Trump in power until at least mid-February of 2021.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jan 21 '22

Yep. I really want to see the draft speeches too. Especially considering the one that was released was bad enough as it was.

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u/dwhite21787 Jan 21 '22

[possible C&P typos in this]

December 16, 2020

PRESIDENTIAL FINDINGS TO PRESERVE COLLECT AND ANALYZE NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION REGARDING THE 2020 GENERAL ELECTION

By the authority vested in me as President of the United States pursuant to the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including Article 2 section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, Executive Orders 123444, 143545, National Security Presidential Memoranda 14 and 21, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA) and all applicable Executive Orders derived therefrom, the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.16011 et seq.) (NBA), and section 401 of title 4, United States Code:

I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, find that the forensic report of the Antrim County, Michigan voting machines, released December 14, 2020, and other evidence submitted to me in support of this order, provide probable cause sufficient to require action under the authorities cited above because of evidence of international and foreign interference in the November 4, 2020, election. Dominion Voting Systems and related companies are owned or heavily controlled and influenced by foreign agents, countries, and interests. The forensic report prepared by experts found that "the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud." The report found the election management system to be wrought with unacceptable and unlawful vulnerabilities––including access to the internet––probable cause to finnd evidence of fraud, and numerous malicious actions. There is also probable cause to finnd that Dominion Voting Systems, Smartmatic, Electronic Systems & Software, and Hart Inter Civic, Clarity Election Night Reporting, Edison Research, Sequoia, Scytl, and similar or related entities, agents or assigns, have the same flaws and were subject to foreign interference in the 2020 election in the United States.

There is probable cause to find these systems bear the same crucial code "features" and defects that allowed the same outside and foreign interference in our election, in which there is probable cause to finnd votes were in fact altered and manipulated contrary to the will of the voters.

Dominion Voting Systems is based in Toronto, Canada, and assigns its intellectual property including patents on its finrmware and software to Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank Corporation (HSBC), a bank with its foundation in China and its current headquarters in London, United Kingdom. The Dominion Voting system is owned and controlled by foreign entities. Multiple expert witnesses and cyber experts identified acts of foreign interference in the election prior to November 4, 2020 and continued in the following weeks. In fact, there is probable cause to find a massive cyber-attack by foreign interests on our crucial national infrastructure surrounding our election––not the least of which was the hacking of the voter registration system by Iran. (B.O. 143500 of May 11. 2017)

Just days prior to the election of November 4, 2020, federal Judge Totenberg found, after three days of testimony including by Dominion executive Eric Coomers:

There are "true risks posed by the new BMD [Ballot Marking Device of Georgia's Dominion Voting Systems] voting system as well as its manner implementation. These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances. The insularity of the Defendants' and Dominion's stance here in evaluation and management of the security and vulnerability of the BMD system does not benefint the public or citizens' confident exercise of the franchise. The stealth vote alteration or operational interference risks posed by malware that can be effectively invisible to detection, whether intentionally seeded or not, are high once implanted, if equipment and software systems are not properly protected, implemented, and audited. The modality of the BMD systems' capacity to deprive voters of their cast votes without burden, long wait times, and insecurity regarding how their votes are actually cast and recorded in the unverified QR code makes the potential constitutional deprivation less transparently visible as well, at least until any portions of the system implode because of system breach, breakdown, or crashes. Any operational shortcuts now in setting up or running election equipment or software creates other risks that can adversely impact the voting process.

"The Plaintiffs' national cybersecurity experts convincingly present evidence that this is not a question of "right this actually ever happen?" - but *when it will happen, especially if further protective measures are not taken. Given the masking nature of malware and the current systems described here, if the State and Dominion simply stand by and say, "we have never seen it." the future does not bode well.

"Still, this is year one for Georgia in implementation of this new BMD system as the first state in the nation to embrace statewide implementation of this QR barcode-based BMD system for its entire population. Electoral dysfunction - cyber or otherwise - should not be desired as a mode of proof. It may well land unfortunately on the State's doorstep. The Court certainly hopes not." [FOOTNOTE 1: Case 1:17-cv-023T5T-AT Document T64 Filed 10/11/20 Page 146 of 147]

And, yet it did. Every defect and hazard of which Judge Totenberg warned happened in Georgia. Witnesses in Georgia have provided evidence of crashes, the replacement of a server, impermissible updates to the system, connections to the internet, and both Coffee and Ware counties have identified a significant percentage of votes being wrongly allocated contrary to the will of the voter. Coffee County Georgia has refused to certify its result.

Accordingly, I hereby order:

(1) Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention under United States Code Title 42, Sections 1T74-1T74(e), including but not limited to those identifined in footnote 1. The Secretary of Defense has discretion to determine the interdiction of national critical infrastructure supporting federal elections. Designated locations will be identified in the operation order.

(2) Within 7 days of commencement of operations, the initial assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The final assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence no later than 60 days from commencement of operations.

(3) The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(4) A direct liaison to be authorized to coordinate as required between the applicable U.S. Departments and Agencies.

(5) The Secretary of Defense may select by name or by unit federalization of appropriate National Guard support.

(6) The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Security will coordinate support requirements as needed from the Department of Homeland Security.

(7) The appointment of a Special Counsel to oversee this operation and institute all criminal and civil proceedings as appropriate based on the evidence collected and provided all resources necessary to carry out her duties consistent with federal laws and the Constitution.


DONALD J. TRUMP PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

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u/sbrevolution5 North Carolina Jan 21 '22

The draft speech is some WILD gaslighting. Claiming we just need a peaceful transition

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u/LuminousTights Canada Jan 21 '22

Except the draft speech says this:

But as for THIS election, Congress has now certified the results. The election fight is over. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.

If he actually read in a speech or didn't instantly walk it back I would eat my own socks. Gaslighting aside, he would never, ever, ever have read that. His anus-mouth would not have been capable of forming the words and his syphilitic brain wouldn't let him recognise the letters.

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u/ThreadbareHalo Jan 21 '22

Logs showing phone calls to president and VP

Oooh… Gym’s gonna have to start remembering the number of times he called Trump again…

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u/IrritableGourmet New York Jan 21 '22

A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack

I'm calling it now. The draft speech used language that actually meets the incitement standard, or at least is very specific about what he wants them to do, and the GOP will defend it because "iT wAs JuSt A dRaFt!!!"

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u/crackdup Jan 21 '22

The committee having these records, and Trump's executive privilege claim being shot down before the public hearings begin is absolutely crucial.. surely Trump will come up with another way to delay the release of more records, but the minions lower down the chain know there's nowhere left to hide

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u/SnowShoe86 Jan 21 '22

The minions down the chain are in it for celebrity/martyr status. They know its only a matter of time.

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u/Thunder-cleese Jan 21 '22

Let’s not forget book deals too

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u/IAmInTheBasement Jan 21 '22

How are we ever going to find out what was discussed on burner phones though?

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u/IQBoosterShot Texas Jan 21 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Faith In Humanity Restored

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u/StickiStickman Jan 21 '22

This just made me realize 2 things:

  1. Data protection laws in the US are basically non existent, they basically log EVERYTHING, what phone sent what message to what person, when and where. In this case it's useful, it's still absolutely creepy as fuck to permanently do that to everyone with no permit required.

  2. I fucking hate Twitter threads, every Tweet is just a single sentence that makes it a pain to read

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u/relativeagency Jan 21 '22 Helpful

Holy shit. Hey other commenters, read this, all of it. I've been feeling doubtful of the whole "wheels of justice turn slowly" talk lately, but this has restored some (some) of that faith. If you're feeling the same, read this.

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u/hemig Jan 21 '22

Luckily they weren't smart enough to actually use burner phones. This should really be called stupidgate. Hell, we knew a year ago that Giuliani was doing illegal shit. The news is making a big deal of it now, as they should, but it was a big deal then, too. Their stupidity is the only thing that saved democracy.

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u/Mindshred1 Jan 21 '22

"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

Time really is a flat circle.

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u/Thoughtofajoke Jan 21 '22

Question for everyone who knows:

How does the national archive get access to all the info? I realize that it's turned over to them by the administration, but why would these criminals hand over incriminating texts, emails, etc? Wouldn't the archive just get the mundane stuff? Why would this info be considered valuable to a real investigation?

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u/AnotherAnonGringo Jan 21 '22

The systems in place automatically archive most of it. That is why there was such a big deal about Hillary's "private email server." So there is nothing for them to turn over manually or willingly in most cases, it's all done automatically.

In the event of actual paper notes and such, they probably didn't think anything would come of it. But if they didn't turn them in, that would prompt an immediate investigation in why.

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u/MisterHyman Jan 21 '22

We have him on tape asking the GA dude to find more votes, I mean c'mon!!

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u/wonkey_monkey Jan 21 '22

He's spinning the ball on his finger! Just take it!

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u/NorweigianWould Jan 21 '22

“Your honour, I object!” “And why is that Mr Fletcher” “Because it’s devastating to my case!”

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u/Tokkemon Jan 21 '22

"I....CAN'T.....LIE!"

"Commendable, Mr. Reade, but I'm still waiting to hear just cause."

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u/nerphurp Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Vent time.

I feel as if I'm dealing with family members that need mental help. It's been draining, like dealing with an alcoholic that does not see the harm they're causing to themselves and others.

They're literally unable to conceive a world in which Trump did not win every state expect California and New York. It's mentally impossible. It's not just denial, it's on par with asking a comatose patient to stop being lazy and feed themselves.

You may claim the delusion is not harmful and therefore no big deal. Wrong. January 6th showed the belief can manifest into harm.

As with the Ukraine incident: 'but what did he do wrong? It's just talk, he didn't mean what he said. What he meant was to find the votes the Democrats threw out.'

Trump cannot do wrong to these people. Republicans cannot do wrong until they contradict Trump. It's impossible. As is the possibility of the Democrats doing anything that is not illegal, immoral, or deceptive. This belief is as powerful as their belief in God. It feels like they'd be torch bearers during the Salem witch trials.

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u/couchslippers Jan 21 '22

The thing that I don’t understand is that they know there’s are a large chunk of the population that vehemently hates the guy, yet they cannot fathom the fact that he lost.

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u/cybo321 Jan 22 '22

"They hate him, because they hate America!!"

Which, I guess, translates to anyone that hates him, probably won't vote, because they're anarchists (or something)...

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u/ShuffKorbik Jan 22 '22

The funny thing about this is that I personally know quite a few anarchists who did vote in 2020 just to get Trump out.

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u/sorenthestoryteller Jan 22 '22

Ditto.

You know it's bad when political anarchist are heading to the polls.

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u/TheRealWeedAtman I voted Jan 22 '22

These fucks don't believe in the existence of germs anymore. I mean when did that become controversial? They're lost

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u/throwfarawayweeee Jan 21 '22

Oh man, I’m sorry if you’ve met people who brushed them off as harmless or ‘not a big deal’ cuz I mean, that’s radicalization exhibit A. That is a dangerous mindset yeah, the same mindset that fueled Jan 6th and fueled protests at vote counting places during the election (among other things). I hope they change for the better, but even if they’re too far gone, please prioritize yourself, your peace, and your mental health when you can 💐

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u/Great-NewYork-Bewbs Jan 21 '22

I don’t know what to say other than: you are not alone. It sucks.

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u/straygoat193 Jan 21 '22

Great, now start going after all the violations of the Presidential Records Act to get the deliberately hidden correspondence.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jan 21 '22

I really want the fact that Trump ate WH documents to be presented before a judge at some point.

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u/508Tech Jan 21 '22

Sorry, what? What the fuck did I just read?

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u/A_Drusas Jan 21 '22

According to one of Trump's former White House aids, she walked in on him eating a document at one point.

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u/IHeldADandelion New Mexico Jan 21 '22

As much as I hate imagining his face, this one always makes me giggle. Whether true or not, it's canon in my head. Fucking toddler.

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u/polyamorous_robotics Jan 21 '22

Shouldn't be an issue. Paper is cellulose and won't degrade in the intestines. Just need to find an intern to collect it from his Depends!

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u/IbanezHand Canada Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

Just ask Lindsey Graham

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Helpful Wholesome hehehehe

I feel like Ted Cruz is the expert to be called upon as he had his head so far up Trump's ass that he could see Putin's zipper.

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u/54108216 Europe Jan 21 '22

Aaaand I’ll never shake off this image

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u/PresidentMilley Jan 21 '22

Great, now start going after all the violations of the Presidential Records Act to get the deliberately hidden correspondence.

lol! The oath keeper terrorists tried to use encrypted comms. They're such delusional larping pop-politics tough guy wannabes. They're also seditionists.

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u/virtualRefrain Jan 21 '22

I'm sure the encryption worked exactly as intended, and their text messages were completely safe from being intercepted during transmission - tactically, a real feather in their cap. Real terrorist stuff, good job boys.

But of course, those texts don't stay encrypted after receipt, so if you put a video of you storming the capitol on Facebook and your phone is legally seized and you give up the password in a plea deal to avoid ten years in prison, they may be able to bypass the encryption. No chance though - the Trump crowd would never turn on each other to avoid a little jail time, right? Where we go one we go all!

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u/IrritableGourmet New York Jan 21 '22

It's known as the $5 Wrench Attack. Your encryption is only useful if threatening to take a $5 wrench to the soft bits of someone involved wouldn't get some third party access.

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u/dirtballmagnet Jan 21 '22

I still remember when the Bush Administration pulled this one out to prosecute Sandy Berger for hiding like six pages--at the same time that they were stonewalling the 9/11 Commission and refusing to testify.

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u/Idj1t Jan 21 '22

750 pages... wow that's a lot of McDonalds receipts

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls North Carolina Jan 21 '22

To be a microwave on the wall.

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u/MachReverb Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

Or alternately, a fly on Mike Pence

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u/PreetHarHarah Jan 21 '22

Never gets old.

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u/Hunterrose242 Wisconsin Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

What's this a reference to?

Edit: Ah! Forgotten about that. Thanks all. There's so much crazy to remember from 2016-2020.

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u/TechyDad Jan 21 '22

Those four years were the craziest century in America's history!

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u/Raiden32 Jan 21 '22

And it’s only fitting those four years culminated in a presser at the elite Four Seasons (landscaping) location.

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u/StarksPond Jan 21 '22

Larry David didn't adjust to reality. Reality adjusted to Larry David.

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u/paintress420 Jan 21 '22

I woke up every day during those days saying, “what fresh hell is in store today?” I agree, it felt like a century!

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u/nomadofwaves Florida Jan 21 '22

Or a fly on Pences head.

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u/runiq Europe Jan 21 '22

Oh to be a microwave on Pence's head. A Mike-rowave, if you will.

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u/SOL-Cantus Jan 21 '22

750 is actually an abysmally tiny quantity of material considering how much paperwork is generated on a daily basis. For something as big as January 6th, you'd expect far, far more, trailing back from the end of the count to the day of. I wonder just how much has been shredded/destroyed by them?

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u/LiamtheV I voted Jan 21 '22

Trump uses mob tactics, he gives orders verbally, rarely writes things down, during his meetings with Russians, he used their interpreter instead of a white house interpreter, so no notes were taken by the White House regarding what was discussed. He and his cronies/family use personal emails and personal email servers, personal phones, etc. Trump won't carry a phone himself, instead if say, Don Jr. needs to call him, he'll call someone in Trump's entourage, who will then hand the phone over to Trump.

He's been caught shredding and eating what little handwritten notes are taken. Anything to prevent a written record of the criminal conspiracy.

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u/macetrek Jan 21 '22

I heard Ivanka wiped the server on her way out. Like with a cloth or something.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jan 21 '22

The documents requested are extremely important, though.

White House call logs, correspondences with the VP, Mark Meadows, Stephen Miller, McEnany, draft speeches, draft letters, etc.

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u/ScorpioSteve20 Jan 21 '22

oh no doubt a lot of records were destroyed (or just not kept), but to me this is a promising sign: the Jan 6th committee could have requested a vast amount of paper for a fishing expedition here, but instead they requested a list of specific targeted documents.

IMO it seems they are looking at specific avenues of inquiry, and that is a very good sign.

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u/MassiveFajiit Texas Jan 21 '22

Nobody got to pump Trump's stomach in time

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u/CaptainLawyerDude New York Jan 21 '22

Or 1 CVS receipt.

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u/julbull73 Arizona Jan 21 '22

Most of these are going to be Trump saying how fucked he is...I gurantee it. Dude clearly walked around yelling at people for his incompetence ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME.

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u/HouseCravenRaw Colorado Jan 21 '22

Most of which are in the form of a coloring book.

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u/HouseCravenRaw Colorado Jan 21 '22

This was the man that bragged on national TV that he passed the "are you senile?" test. Apparently "color the US flag" wasn't on that particular test.

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u/chowderbags American Expat Jan 21 '22

And he got it wrong, even though he's wearing a flag lapel pin. He could've literally looked down to check, if he wasn't sure. I mean, I might have to do a bit of picturing in my head to remember if it was red or white stripe first, so that might be understandable. On the other hand, he has a blue stripe, so like, what the fuck?

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u/DMCinDet Jan 21 '22

he was thinking of the Russian flag

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u/ChwatBot Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

That or he’s like “Okay, red… White. Shit, what comes after white? … Blue! That’s right, blue!”

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u/jbasinger Jan 21 '22

Red, White, Woman, TV, Blue, see? Genius. They said, sir, no one in the history of coloring has ever tested gooder.

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u/JigsawArts Jan 21 '22

Let hope it get some GOP held accountable when it comes out to the public

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u/h8fulgod Jan 21 '22

I'm watching his feet. How much longer before he heads somewhere with no extradition?

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u/johnnycyberpunk Jan 21 '22

Make no mistake:
Wherever he goes, he'll do two things.
1) Deny everything, blame it all on someone else, and take credit for it while spinning it as a good thing.
"I didn't tell our military to seize the voting machines. That was the Democrats! But think about it, folks... if I did, we'd have won this election!"

2) Cheer on his "patriots" who come to defend him (from justice) with their lives.
"...and so Sleepy Joe sends his corrupt FBI to try and arrest me. I don't know, It'd be amazing if true patriots were here to stop them, don't 'cha think folks? Huh? Imagine how silly he'd feel if his FBI couldn't stand up to a few armed patriots who pledged their lives to freedom and the rightful President."

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u/talino2321 Jan 21 '22

Oh, I feel so sorry for the committee. Hours and hours of disconnected Trump thoughts vocalized. Hope they have a schedule weekly therapy sessions with the House psychiatrist, they are going to need it.

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u/MarkovManiac Jan 21 '22

Better than all of us having to see his ramblings on twitter, imo.

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u/97sundevil Jan 21 '22

Wow. A draft executive order to seize voting machines.

Talk about a federal takeover of elections…

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u/BitingChaos Missouri Jan 21 '22

Where did you read about seizing voting machines?

Edit, never mind. I found an article saying that on NBC:

"Trump draft executive order would have authorized National Guard to seize voting machines" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-draft-executive-order-would-have-authorized-national-guard-seize-n1287841

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u/Atheose_Writing Texas Jan 21 '22

It’s worse than that. After collection, it then also authorizes the Sec Def to issue a ruling on the validity of the votes.

AKA: the military declaring Trump the winner.

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u/Pap3rkat Jan 21 '22

So a military coup backing Trump. Wow.

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u/DFu4ever Jan 21 '22

The best bit of luck we had was that his administration probably had the lowest collective IQ in history. The only reason they aren’t all in prison is because one of the two political parties this country has went all in on defending him.

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u/MitsyEyedMourning Maryland Jan 21 '22

Release them to public!

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u/teslacoil1 Jan 21 '22

The documents will probably be released eventually to the public eventually, assuming there is no classified information in it.

But you don't want to release it early, because you can use the documents to trap witnesses that lie under oath. Some of the Trump lackeys that testify in front of the committee, probably had plans to lie originally. But if those Trump lackeys can't see the documents, they can't coordinate their lying to be consistent with the documents, which puts them under more pressure to tell the truth.

When all the witnesses have testified and the final report is made, I'm pretty sure the documents will be made public. Until then, the January 6th committee has got to keep a tight ship, especially if they want to get the truth from the witness testimony, so that they can ultimately build a strong case to indict Trump.

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u/drinkthecoffeeblack Jan 21 '22

As bad as I want these to leak, I hope they don't leak

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u/Mister_Snrub Maryland Jan 21 '22

There will almost certainly be some strategic leaks.

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u/chubs66 Jan 21 '22

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's side leaks some unimportant stuff in order to ramp up the faux-outrange on the Conservative side about the Jan 6 committee.

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u/malpheres Jan 21 '22

Get fucked Donny

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u/WestFast California Jan 21 '22 Silver

Lock Him up.

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u/iluvstephenhawking Texas Jan 21 '22

Q seems to think his documents will be "squeaky clean" but this will open up a precedence to dig into Obama's presidency. How funny and desperate is that?

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u/sfaer23gezfvW Jan 21 '22

If a president, any president, is scared of his time in office being looked at, then we need to look into it. I am 99% sure there is nothing in obamas time that is corrupt bad. I also think that they will look into biden instead of obama, as obama is generally a liked president.

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u/WestFast California Jan 21 '22

No it won’t. Trump had 4 years to do that and didn’t

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u/walrus_operator Jan 21 '22

Trump must be feeling powerless and scared right now. The rage will come later, but for now I'm willing to bet that he's terrified.

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u/Mulchpuppy Jan 21 '22 Silver Wholesome Eureka!

Nothing on his Twitter yet, but keep checking

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u/julbull73 Arizona Jan 21 '22

I am glad he's gone. But this would've been a very good time to get him Twiiter back. HE incriminated himself and provided more evidence than anyone.

Remember the Ukraine impeachment, where he admits to it MULTIPLE times on accident trying to make himself look better...

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u/Ok-Mix2516 Jan 21 '22

If there isn't enough evidence yet there never will be. He can stay off Twitter.

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u/CopenhagenOriginal Jan 21 '22

Giving him privileges to use twitter again at this moment for this reason is probably the stupidest idea I’ve seen in this thread

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u/Lokito_ Texas Jan 21 '22

Why would he when nothing else has touched him?

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u/Own_Abalone_8021 Jan 21 '22

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it? 😊

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u/PanickedPoodle Jan 21 '22

He's betting he can goad his followers into more insurrection if anything happens to him.

There's a good portion of the country willing to set aside the rule of law.

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u/BlueKing7642 Pennsylvania Jan 21 '22

It’s insane there are people who think this guy is innocent

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u/taffyowner Minnesota Jan 21 '22

Everyone who is upset that charges haven’t been made yet need to pump the breaks because shit takes a fuck ton of time

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u/Ximayll Jan 21 '22

Does that include the coloring books?

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u/AlecStiles Jan 21 '22

I will not care until he is in cuffs

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u/BenAfleckIsAnOkActor Jan 21 '22

Exactly, BREAKING TRUMP MIGHT HAVE BROKEN THE LAW SEE WHAT STEPS NO ONE WILL DO OR CARE AT 11

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u/miggadabigganig Jan 21 '22

He HAS broken the law. Being held accountable is another thing entirely. And on that I’m not in the least optimistic.

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u/NMT-FWG Jan 21 '22

It's been a while since we've had an F5 Friday.

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u/willirritate Jan 21 '22

Can the committee members start dropping tidbits of info to political shows already or are they classified so that we can't hear anything in a while?

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u/PKanuck Jan 21 '22

There's still a lot of key witnesses to hear from.

You don't want them knowing what you know.

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u/DUBBZZ California Jan 21 '22

The records that Trump didn’t swallow.

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u/mywifesoldestchild North Carolina Jan 21 '22

To be more specific, records that Donald didn't eat.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Get fucked you orange piece of shit 👌

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u/PasswordNot1234 Jan 21 '22

Logically speaking, if there was anything in those records that would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't have fought so hard against their release. Period, full stop.

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u/mantistoboggan69md Jan 21 '22

Call me 4 out of 5 dentists, because I agree

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u/OllieQ25 Jan 21 '22

So we have official documents proving Trump committed treason and sedition.

But his fascist supporters will still deny reality.

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u/Shabamshazam Jan 21 '22

To all the people yesterday who claimed this would never happen, looks like you'll need to find a new way to spread your apathy.

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u/Kirt1984 Jan 21 '22

I'm just waiting until they release the unedited outtakes and early versions of his video taped message to the insurrectionists on Jan 6th. You know the early cuts have to be incriminating and horrific when the final cut was that bad.

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u/satisfacti0n_ Jan 22 '22

I hate how everyone always says the Dems will lose seats. They won't lose seats if you all go out and vote! Stop spreading the hopeless storyline they will lose seats and start motivating people to get out and vote.

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u/zdada Jan 21 '22

I feel like legalizing marijuana and using its tax revenue to pay for universal healthcare and education along with erasing student loan debt would be a slam dunk but the dems are like “Nah let’s just lose the majority and presidency.”

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u/Friggindandy Jan 22 '22

Look at all the careers, reputations and even lives this fat, stupid conman has ruined. Imagine if liberals started worshipping Ted Nugent and would do anything he commanded, and that’s about as absurd as this whole Trump cult thing is.

The amount of projection Trump does is astounding. He said the same thing about the Iowa caucus he lost to Cancun Cruz in 2016 - he wanted a do-over, it was rigged. He said the same things leading up to the general election against Hilary… until he accidentally won. Then he put a sham committee together to investigate fraud. They found none, and disbanded. Then he planted the seeds of doubt in 2020, whining about mail-in voting (even though he voted by mail) and claimed he would only lose if the election was rigged. Everyone could see this coming a mile away, and STILL his cult goes along with his scam. The committee hasn’t even released everything they’ve uncovered and the evidence is already overwhelming this was a coordinated plot to overturn the election results.

If this isn’t treasonous and criminal conduct, what the hell is? And yet, I believe Trump will probably never have to suffer any consequences for his actions.

It’s hard to believe all of this chaos was ignited by Trump.. the guy who starred in Pizza Hut commercials.

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u/southernwriter1 Jan 21 '22

Tick tock mother fucker

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u/ElijahNator83 Jan 21 '22

Hopefully trump croaks before 2024

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u/Mr_Bad_Example20 Jan 21 '22

Hopefully he croaks before this Sunday.

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u/belly_bell Jan 21 '22

I just need these published for toilet-reading sake

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u/luri7555 Washington Jan 21 '22

Are they written in crayon or sharpie?