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u/DingDong_Dongguan May 28 '22
Privacy.com works for me. But even then I usually nope the fuck out of it.
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u/OssotSromo 29d ago
So much this. I create a merchant locked single use card. I set the max to $2. Start the trial. Cancel the card. Never look back.
Abcmouse attempts to bill me every 4 days since the start of covid. When I log into my account to cancel it, it just tries to get me to activate. But literally every 4 days they attempt to charge a credit card that's been dead for 2 years. Every. Four. Days.
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u/IronyYouSeek May 28 '22
What about when they test it by quickly charging $1 and reversing? Does it work still? I keep forgetting to cancel and getting in trouble
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u/Incandescent_Lass May 28 '22
Yes it works because the gift cards are still real cards connected to real money in an account. And if they take the money or scam you or whatever, you only lose the small amount you put in, like $5 total. Then you can just get a new card whenever.
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u/stonerthoughtss May 28 '22
If you buy the free trial, immediately remove the subscription from your card and you’ll still have the free trial
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u/dragonspeeddraco May 28 '22
At least in the US, it's supposed to be illegal.
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u/boombotser 29d ago
Cancel it and at the bottom of your subscription it’ll say “this trial will expire on xx/xx/xxxx” that message is just like a scare tactic
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u/wolf9786 29d ago
Really? Is that a newer law? I've had this happen tons of times. Even for a paid subscription they will try to cancel the rest if you try to remove your card early
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u/dragonspeeddraco 29d ago
Just to confirm, when you actually did cancel your subscription, did it then remove the rest of your free trial period?
I've only had it happen once with Hello-Fresh, but otherwise, on a huge range of popular services, I've always been told after I've removed my card "your benefits/trial/subscription will end on Month, Day, Year"
They certainly will do everything to make it look like that's not the case, but there is supposed to be a legal obligation.
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u/Neth110 May 28 '22
Nope, most sites will send you through multiple confirmation boxes of "if you remove your credit card, you are CANCELLING YOUR TRIAL. Are you SURE you want to CANCEL YOUR FREE TRIAL?"
Just keep clicking "Yes," and surprise surprise, it doesn't cancel your trial. It just cancels the renewal. Amazon is one of the best examples of this.
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u/blitzlurker 100 seasons 29d ago
Had to go through like 5 pages of “wait, are you sure you want to leave Amazon?” “HEY WAIT! Did you know you had these benefits” “STOP! what is the reason you are doing this?”
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u/different_tan May 28 '22
Duolingo charged me a whole YEAR without warning at the end of my trial, thankfully apple immediately got it back for me.
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u/notchoosingone May 28 '22
Thanks for reminding me, I've got a Kindle Unlimited "free" 60-day that's about to expire.
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u/bitterbuffaloheart 29d ago
How was the book selection on unlimited? I get mine from the library but sometimes it’s a long wait for popular books
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u/Illbsure May 28 '22
You can create a single use card for this at Privacy.com been a game changer for me.
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u/FortySacks May 28 '22
I’ve been doing this for everything I buy online lately. Incredibly useful, and it’s so nice to not have to remember to cancel every subscription. Not only has it saved me money, but it just frees up that part of my brain to worry about other ridiculous shit lol
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u/Illbsure 29d ago
Also, you can use any name and address you want and choose how it comes through on your bill.
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u/ladies-sendMe-nudes May 28 '22
not everyone's from the US amigo
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u/midgetforce2k May 28 '22
About 50% of the people on Reddit are.
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u/user_bits 29d ago
Reddit is a U.S. website.
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u/super_asshat 29d ago
Perhaps they should build a wall to not let those pesky Mexicans and Europeans in…
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u/boebrow May 28 '22
This always pisses me off so much! You’d think their business plan is retaining people by showing how awesome their product is, but no… the only way they turn a profit is because of all the stupid fucking people who forgot what kind of ‘free’ shit they signed up to…
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u/Xstream3 May 28 '22
It's to stop people making multiple free accounts. Whats the big deal about signing up with a cc and then trying it and then if it sucks you cancel when you decide its not worth the money?
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u/boebrow May 28 '22
Because there aren’t other ways to avoid that? Use a phone number or something. Plenty of services out there that have either fake cc or credit cards without a balance. They’re just hoping you sign up and try it once or twice and then a month later, you forget all about it. Or they just make it a pain in the ass to cancel…
You are aware that most countries out there do not revolve completely around credit cards right? There are plenty of services where none is needed! Heck the sole reason I have a credit card is because there is literally no other way to be able to use some US based services and nothing else. I think people have no idea how dumb that whole system really is!
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u/Xstream3 May 28 '22
People also hate giving out their phone number and can use temporary phone numbers online so that doesnt fix it. There's a reason why pretty much every subscription service does it that way. If people are dumb enough to forget to cancel something that will cost them money then that's their problem
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u/Nemeryck May 28 '22
"If people are dumb enough..." almost seems like thats the point of y'all wanting the CC info to begin with. Hence the whole we don't wanna give you shit. A free trial should be free, not "free but it you forget, fuck you" nah, fuck YOU.
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u/esreveReverse 29d ago
I refund any user who is dissatisfied with their subscription or forgot to cancel their free trial. Hell my free trial is for 1 week and I'll still refund people for like 3 full months of they just tell me they forgot to cancel.
There's a difference between businesses that provide a good product and believe in it, versus scammy businesses hoping that you forget to cancel.
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u/dan1101 29d ago
That might be part of it but the automatic charging at the end of the trial is just a greedy trap and nothing more.
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u/Xstream3 29d ago
Why? The user chose to use it for free and be charged at the end of the trial if they don't cancel. When else would they be charged? After they go back to the service and sign up with a different email over and over and never pay for it?
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u/dan1101 29d ago
You should be able to sign up for a trial and not have it automatically start charging you at the end of the trial.
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u/Xstream3 29d ago
If you choose to start a trial and know you'll be charged at the end of it then it's your responsibility to cancel if you dont want to pay for it. Otherwise people will just use an endless amount of different emails to keep using it for free
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u/Skyline_BNR34 29d ago
They only do it because most people forget to cancel it beforehand.
But the gift card thing is what you should do.
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u/DarthMagnus88 29d ago
Same with jobs. I apply on indeed fill out the entire application. "Ok now you just need to create a profile" nope no thanks. I don't want to spend even a minute creating a profile to apply at your shitty fucking job you posted on indeed. Just for them to sell the data off anyways.
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u/smikkelbaars May 28 '22
I got revolut credit card, you can make unlimited virtual credit cards with it
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u/TannishMegapode May 28 '22
Some of the ebst advice I ever got was to always keep one of those Visa or Amex gift cards with one cent on them for this very reasn. When it comes time to actually charge you, the charge will be declined because there's not sufficient funds, but if there's a check to see if the card is active it'll pass.
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u/sullivanaaron May 28 '22
Or use a limited credit crd that‘ll just be declined when they try to charge you. I use privacy . Com
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u/ZoleeKing May 28 '22
Can you use Revolut's disposable one use virtual card for stuff like this? Asking for a friend.
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u/Gaia_Knight2600 May 28 '22
i cant be the only one who hates constantly getting asked if i want to try their free trial? i pick no a thousand times, yet they want to ask again and again. these people need lessons on consent.
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u/Matcha_Bubble_Tea 29d ago
Or the make a new account with your email or iTunes or connect your Google account bs.
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u/baineschile 29d ago
There's an app called Privacy that gives real credit (gift) card numbers that you decide a limit to.
It's one of the most helpful apps ever.
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u/overzeetop 29d ago
CapOne -> UniqueNumber -> AutoLock tomorrow
As a card issuer they're so-so, but for the ability to generate (auto-gen with the Eno browser extension in, at least, chrome) a merchant-specific card number and put an auto-lock date on that card they're worth having. Between that and owning a domain with infinite emails that drop into my catch-all account, it's free trials forever.
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u/Hell_Knight54 29d ago
Actually I do it then immediately just cancel the subscription right there and then. Clear up my schedule, get the free month/week/day then let it go.
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u/DuduMaroja 29d ago
Create q virtual card just for this service with a balance less then needed to renew the service so it will be canceled automatically
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u/Hakim_Bey May 28 '22
Intentional friction works really well though. As a developer i don't want to waste my effort on your cheap ass who's never going to convert.
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u/macstanislaus 29d ago
I hope you arent a cheap ass and donate to stuff you use for free daily. The Apache software foundation for example. Or are those developers worth less than you?
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u/Hakim_Bey 29d ago
I do much better than that, i open-source all my side projects, and contribute to other people's projects within my capabilities. Do you ?
Your comment is totally irrelevant to the conversation at hand. All i'm saying is as a developer doing your day job, it is actually a smart move to ask for a credit card before the trial. This kind of meme implies that haha the dev is punished and loses one user but i can tell you the dev is fucking relieved to see you go. If a user can't commit enough to your product to enter their cc number for 0$, what's the probability they'll end up converting to a paying customer down the road ? Free users are worthless they just use up resources and tech support's attention.
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29d ago
How would you feel about an alternative in the middle? Qualify users by requiring proof of ability to pay but require explicit confirmation to complete purchase?
The shitty reality is the current zero trial with automatic purchase is 100% designed with the hope the user forgets about it and gets charged. It has nothing to do with “user convenience”, a single-tap opt-in post trial would accomplish the same.
I guess the sentiment is, if your product has the value suggested, shouldn’t it be able to earn the purchase on its merits alone?
I’d be super interested if you had any data or anecdotes about how our behavior doesn’t align with how we assume we’d act as well.
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u/uzenik 29d ago
Generally:hard agree. I really dislike people that feel like they have some moral right to content, but not obligation to pay for it.
Devils (well, mine) advocate. I'm one of the dying breed called "i dont have a cc, actually I don't even have a debit since about a year." Its a curious middle ground when I dont feel the need to have cc, and things that might change my mind, wont let me try them, so I still feel no need to have one". Maybe when I (haha, maybe) have enough to get a mortgage or sth else in the future.
Maybe you could answer one question (of its something you know about). Once I tried to get a free trial with subscription at the end (I think it was spotify). There were 2 opinions: cc and PayPal. Yay, I have a PayPal account connected to a bank account. After verification it showed me an error: your PayPal has to be connected to a cc. I honestly felt duped of my time. "You can use a cc, or a cc with extra steps" well f y too, i just stopped using that app (I'm pretty sure it was on fact Spotify.)
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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee 29d ago
I really dislike people that feel like they have some moral right to content, but not obligation to pay for it.
This entire thread is about people opting out of content because it isn't worth providing payment information. So good news: the opinion that you really dislike isn't very common.
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u/Xstream3 May 28 '22
I recently changed my app to use a paid subscription with a free trial aftrr the starting tutorial and the results are waaaay better than the cheap asses who try to reset the app and dance through hoops to try to reset the trial after it expires. Its a one tap built in subscription handled by google so its easy to cancel so I don't understand all the complaining
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u/Mr_660 May 28 '22
Ehh I said it multiple times and I say it again (and again nobody will give any logical counterargumen). Credit card info is the only way for business to ensure users don't exploit free trial. All of u whining bitches cry over not being able to literally steal from business. Business doesn't care about Ur card info. No business can charge u anything without your consent. In case you are geniuely wanna test some service but don't feel comfortable giving Ur main card info you can create virtual cards on service like revolt.
But let's be honest, majority of u guys just wanna abuse free trials and you will never buy the service.
Senior developer and analyst out
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u/qoofp May 28 '22
lmao, mans really upset that people dont wanna get scamned by "free trails"
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u/Mr_660 May 28 '22
Scammed how? You point out being scammed but I never heard about it and never experienced? How the scam works? Or do u call scam being not able to put remind in Ur phone to cancel a service?
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u/qoofp May 28 '22
its usually very easy to sign up for these but a bit of a hassle to cancle them, like you need ro use a browser version and it doesnt really work on the phone and you have to go through 10 steps just to cancle that shit. and yeah it feels like its to make money off from people forgetting it, which is scammy
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u/Mr_660 May 28 '22
Ok point me to one service that does it. I will test it personally. Oftenly there are big red flags that should make u know that this is a scam. But honestly I wanna find any service like u described and try it out because I never found anything like what you're saying. Idk where u find them people
Edit: mind I'm professional and it's also for my job. But honestly I wanna examples cuz I call bullshit.
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u/GodofAeons May 28 '22
DrawnHentai. Couple years ago they were charging me 3x a month. Cancelled on the website and still charged me. Emailed them and nothing, still charged.
Had to call in and the lady couldn't find my account. Then said they have to "process the request" and to email them a different email than what was on the website.
When I asked them to refund the extra months charges they said their agreement I signed states the monthly subscription fee can change at any time to adjust to the quality of content offered.
Absolutely bullshit because even then after emailing that 2nd email they still charged me the following month. I had to do dispute with credit card.
To be fair... It's porn. So my hopes weren't high to begin with.
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u/BluebeardHuntsAlone May 28 '22
The adobe subscription. Literally one of the most scummy companies out there for this type of shit.
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u/Mr_660 29d ago
Oh you mean company with top tier products that is 2nd most pirated products on earth? Just after windows?
I'll check that exactly how free trials work to confirm but honestly if even they have some annoying free trial they have every right to. Every professional knows and uses Adobe. Not even professionals know what Adobe has. They don't need to give u any free trial because if u buy their product, most likely you're company and u buy it for Ur workers of Ur freelancer. They are in position where there are very little people that want to try and check out their services. You buy it or not because u know exactly what their product can do.
Again, not a lot thought out here
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29d ago
You’re not doing a great job of defending your argument bud. The comments where users are sharing actual instances where cancelling a free trial is intentionally difficult you engage in blaming the user or rationalizing the poor practice by product quality.
I don’t have experience with Adobe but if it’s as the posters claim there’s no good excuse, if there was ever a product offering that could truly win business on the merit of the product it’s Adobe.
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u/Mr_660 29d ago
No mate, I just point out that people with opinion that there should be no cc requirement for free trial never ever think about business. Never. They whine only about their asses and having problem with putting reminder to cancel free trial. I ask for examples where this free trial on legit service is so bad. Adobe is terrible example if that.
I agree that Adobe has a lot of bad practices for normal users but u don't think at all how oftenly Photoshop and other programs have been pirated. They spent a lot of money to make such a program which is best in the world. Them giving u free trial is just insane. They don't need to advertise their services, they don't need to give u free trial. Because they are best. Everybody knows what they products are. Yet still they lose so much money because of piracy it's insane. And it's all just so we get free trial which is backdoor to pirated program.
Adobe is known for bad customer practices but they still somehow stay on top. Just like facebook, they are so big that people are addicted to their services. Everybody know their bad practices, but still use them. And will use them for long time if there is no alternative.
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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee 29d ago
Oh you mean company with top tier products that is 2nd most pirated products on earth? Just after windows?
Let me know if you need any help moving that goalpost. Seems heavy.
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u/qoofp May 28 '22
dont know any of the top of my head, but no free trail i ever used had the option to auto cancle after the 14 days
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u/Mr_660 29d ago
Why business should provide u with something like that? If u know Ur not gonna pay for service then way f off u know? Business doesn't care about u. They care about their customers. They spent a lot of money to just give u an option to have a free trial. Why would they spent more on people that know they won't use and pay for their service?
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u/Belamie 29d ago edited 29d ago
I used to work "Retention" for an ISP. It is absolutely a scam. My employer would have me badgering you over the phone for 20+ minutes, when the only thing people should have to say is "This is my account information. I want to cancel it."
If you have to call an 800 number, send an e-mail or file a ticket to cancel instead of having a simple, automated and VISIBLE. cancellation option either in app or on your website. It's a scam.
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u/Shigglyboo 29d ago
Steal? They’re the ones offering the free trial. If it’s free let me use it. If it’s got genuine value then when my subscription runs out I’ll buy the service. I have several monthly services that I pay for. Everyone knows the scam they’re trying to pull. They’re hoping I forget to cancel and pay for a service I don’t really want. So effectively they are trying to steal from me. Amazon music did just that. They said I could have a free trial of the music subscription. Then when it renewed it charge like triple that they had said because I accessed it on both my phone and Alexa and they didn’t mention that the cheaper price was for only the one device. I would have probably kept the service but since they screwed me over I cancelled.
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u/Mr_660 29d ago edited 29d ago
Do you notice that they would screw you over 3 devices anyway? Not requiring cc for free trial wouldn't change that.
I see that it could be that way that they should ask you if you wanna continue subscribtion after free trial ends and still be able to require cc for verification. It would improve user experience. I might start research on that. But regardless of result u have to take into account that company needs to spend money on something that is pure ux and company image improvement. To push that idea to management for feature that doesn't improve income or service quality is really really hard.
Edit: on the other hand, additional question if u wanna to continue a service might not be liked by majority of users. Please mind most of users like that their don't need to additionally confirm after trial. Not a lot of people have negative opinion on this process. A lot of people like how easy it is. Most people that add cc info continue to use service. If they stop trial it's because service didn't need their requirements.
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u/Mr_660 29d ago
Most SAAS companies after changing to require cc info for trial improve their income from at least +10% to even +150% depending on market they target. I've been working in over 200 SAAS project's in past 10 years. Made multiple researches about user experience of free trial requiring cc info. When business doesn't have cc requirement it's not because they don't want to. It's because they don't have budget for it and need to improve their service first.
When people have possibility not to pay, they won't. Average man can easily spent 1h per month to get free acces to service that cost 10$.
Only people that have higher income don't care to spent 1h to save 10$ because their time is worth much more.
Please mind this isn't just my opinion but it's backed up by several analysis Ive been paid for (sorry I can't share them with you). I've met 2 business that didn't want to require cc. In both cases their income improves instantly when adding cc requirement.
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u/DrewSmoothington 29d ago
I honestly can't take anyone seriously when they use "u" and "ur" in such a long block of text, sorry
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u/Mr_660 29d ago
Well that's Ur problem on judging someone based on their habits. Someone's does something that in Ur opinion is sign of eg. stupidity or laziness and undermines their arguments shoeed Ur lack of understanding of humans. Good leaders know that even if someone doesn't have manners or doesn't write how u want deosnt mean they aren't good at something. Best specialists are excellent at one thing and oftenly bad or mediocre on others.
Ok good with math, statistics, programming, soft skills related to my work, analysis etc I'm terrible at anything related to language and need extra time to learn such things.
Ur I just a habit when I was minor using first online chats. You lack of understanding this who's who you are
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u/SheiraSeastar1993 May 28 '22
Shut yo bitch ass up - if you don’t want the trial “exploited” don’t offer misleading “free” trials. Nothing worth having is free in life and if something is free then YOU are the product. Whether we ultimately use the service or not you still gained something from even seeing our names and collecting our data. Bottom feeders.
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u/JohnBeePowel May 28 '22
I'm pretty sure paid products and services collect data ok you and reseller it, making you the customer and the product.
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u/Shigglyboo 29d ago
It’s definitely scammy. If not then why not give me the free month and then the OPTION to pay. Everyone knows they’re hoping you forget and wind up paying for a month of something you don’t really want.
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u/Mr_660 May 28 '22
Oh I see you are an expert here. Look you cheap ass swearing kid, calm the fuck down. The trial is free, 30 days of free use without paying is free. Period. This is a way for business to give a customer an option to try a service. And looking on stats I can easily tell you that your opinion is shared under 10% of people using multiple services I'm helping developing. Recurring payments is great for people that are able and want to pay for service they want. And that's a business target, not Ur cheap crying ass.
Also, about selling data. Majority of companies (small and medium ones) don't sell data but use it to improve their service. Selling data is so FKING hard I don't wanna even explain it. Oh also when u mentioned "seeing our names" I instantly knew that u know completely nothing. All data is anonymous without names. Corpos like Google and FB that make targeted ads for u, they indentify u and get way too much info - that's true. But their services are completely free. And they are the biggest companies in the world.
I say it again, never anybody told me any logical counterargument. It's all whining and crying nonsense that you can't abuse free trials. Whining if people that don't want to pay.
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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee 29d ago
All of u whining bitches
Opinion invalid.
Senior developer and analyst out
As a fellow senior software engineer, I assure you that your title doesn't lend any extra credibility to your bad opinion.
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u/Grub-lord 29d ago
Just lol if you're not using virtual credit cards in 2022
You should be using Privacy to generate a temporary credit card for pretty much any online transaction that you either don't want to have to cancel later, or have any uncertainty shit the integrity of the vendor. https://privacy.com/join/FFDKK
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u/Comments331 29d ago
There's a reason for that dingus. If you don't require a credit card people will just abuse the shit out of the free trial and make new accounts every time.
Source : I am people
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u/Jhorn_fight May 28 '22
Old gift card or 10 minute credit card generator but you didn’t hear the last one from me
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u/SLYeeter May 28 '22 edited 29d ago •
That's why I keep all my old used up gift credit card with a dollar or so left on em. No way are they gunna have access to the main card, they are stuck with the leftovers, it's what they deserve.
Edit: Seems I'm still living in the past and old tricks don't work as well anymore, highly recommend Privacy.com though I didn't know it existed until now.