r/therewasanattempt May 27 '22

to blame a teacher who was murdered for your force's incompetence and cowardice

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u/the_retrosaur May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

If only there was like… 20 people with guns nearby that could have stopped this…

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u/Fx150900 May 28 '22

The Call of duty modern warfare squad wasn’t prepared

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u/Nuclear1975 May 27 '22

Tell me your a piece of shit on a podium without telling me your a piece of shit

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

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u/Prim56 May 28 '22

Same, i feel like there's about to be a revolution at the first minor inconvenience and then major drama like this happens and still nothing. By this stage it feels like they are just trying to provoke an uprising which doesnt appear to ever be on the menu. Like what is the american population waiting for to truly trigger them to fight?

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u/Shirolicious May 28 '22

Nothing will ever change. Most people in America just think this is another tragedy. Then they cry for a bit, mention mental illness and gun restrictions. 48 hours later life goes on as usual until the same thing happens again somewhere else and the circus repeats.

I am just following this lowkey on the background and you know, i just think America had a very unique way of thinking compared to the rest of the world. And thst is fine

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u/OkAcanthocephala2449 29d ago

He is a dip shit

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u/ThatGasHauler May 27 '22

The Thin Yellow Line.

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u/HowtoUninstallSkype May 27 '22

The United States has a big problem with their police. People don't trust them.

Not to be talking down from a high horse, but in the Netherlands the police is your friend. At least, to most. You go to them when you need help.

The police in the United States, however, seems to be highly misstrusted. The government in general. That's a real big problem. They should focus on fixing that.

And the guns obviously.

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

Yes, idk how it is in the Netherlands, but in the US, the police are not here to protect you. In fact, they are not even legally obligated to anymore. They're here to be a tool of the upper class and the government. Our police force is the descendant of slave catchers. The FBI has warned more than once that our police have been infiltrated by white supremacists. They're there to keep the crib to prison pipeline going and keep us all from demanding our rights. Theyre there to aid and abet fascism. We need a complete re-haul of our criminal justice and law enforcement system.

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u/HowtoUninstallSkype May 27 '22

Damn, that sounds much worse than I imagined.

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u/sosousernamegoeshere 29d ago

also, democrats just presented a bill to allow homeland security to investigate domestic terrorist infiltration in police departments and republicans said nope!

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u/CAMPERzNITEMARE May 28 '22

the funny thing too is America's cops compared to countries like Mexico is just crazy

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u/cruzser2 17d ago

Yeah. It's deep shit

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u/Shot-Tadpole9076 May 28 '22

This is my major issue with gun control (I’m not saying that something doesn’t need to be done about guns in America, just stating my major issue with it). If cops aren’t here to protect us, then we should have a right to protect ourselves yes? What happens if gun control becomes more strict and those same corrupt cops are the ones with the guns?

I don’t have a solution, but I do believe we should have a right to bear arms, but so with that comes tragedies such as this.

Sorry if any of you disagree, I’m not here to argue or act like I’m right, I just wonder about the situation.

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u/fafarex May 28 '22

I can agree with your logic, but also you're putting aside the fact that with better guj control, attack with gun would be way less common.

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u/Shot-Tadpole9076 May 28 '22

Without a doubt, but, I know it’s a trite argument but it still has some validity, a criminal intent on harm will find a gun regardless. Or, for a people who are so aware that their government is corrupt, is it a good idea for us to give up our arms?

Also, I should note, I don’t own a gun, and personally feel uneasy around them, but I’ve seen the need for guns, I know why people with guns are skeptical of gun control.

Also, thanks for your polite comment, I appreciate it as I’m not trying to be combative but just have a friendly discussion about two sides of a topic I find nuanced. ❤️

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u/fafarex May 28 '22

a criminal intent on harm will find a gun regardless

Way less in developed country, you have most of europe as an exemple.

That and USA is the only developed country with history of regular mass shooting. It's something about 1 every 5 to 10 year else where.

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u/canconfirmamrug 18d ago

Yeah, and here it's 1-5 every day. We're screwed

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u/sosousernamegoeshere 29d ago

i just don't buy the argument that the fear of return fire is the only thing keeping our federal government (the one that has stealth bombers and nuclear ICBMs) from imposing "tyranny".

also, the whole argument was supposed to be "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." that's been proven over and over again to not be true. at least not before 19 children are already dead.

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u/Der_Blitzkrieg 26d ago

The US government is already imposing tyranny.

Cops aren't the good guys with guns. You're in a thread talking about how they're racist white supremacist terrorists who aren't even legally required to save someone's life.

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u/sosousernamegoeshere 26d ago

The US government is already imposing tyranny.

then what good have your assault rifles done?

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u/Der_Blitzkrieg 26d ago

Nothing, since they've been banned since '68

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u/sosousernamegoeshere 26d ago

Okay, I’m ready for you to explain to me how there actually is a federal assault weapon ban.

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u/Dreadful_Crows May 28 '22

The police forces of America already have the populace completely outgunned due to purchasing surplus equipment from the war on terror, the notion that you can withstand the full force of a police department brought to bear on you is utter delusion.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

To bad the things you need to do is seen as socialism and against your freedom. The elite did a pretty amazing job brainwashing several generations

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Your politicians

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Pedantic idiot

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

You know damn well what I meant. That’s why you are being pedantic. If you don’t know what I mean by your… Your == the US politicians

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u/post_talone420 May 27 '22

OP point is they know the positions don't have her interest in mind. Bernie had a huge following, people liked him, but he would never get elected as president here. I don't know where you got communism from, you fell down the propaganda well.

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u/Technical-Hedgehog18 May 27 '22

All those elite communists in our gubment..... dude, I wish

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Thats… Thats the opposite of what I meant. I’m going to edit and rephrase

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u/triptoutsounds May 28 '22

Finally someone who is actually informed on where the police force came from. Finally

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u/Chpgmr May 28 '22

It's by design.

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u/Remanded-MS2of2 May 27 '22

What he is describing sounds like a teacher, who will probably spend the rest of their life with profound guilt, was on a break and saw a crash then ran to get their phone so they could report what had happened. Not sure how much of that is reality, but in this out of context clip, he makes it sound like this teacher was in on something.

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

The teacher he is referencing was killed protecting the students, afaik

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u/PachMeIn May 28 '22

You’re correct, actually both teachers in the classroom were killed protecting the kids while grossly negligent police stood by for an hour listening to innocent people, mostly children being murdered. One teacher was shot calling the police (it could be the one referenced here) while the student next to her grabbed her deceased teacher’s phone and called the police. I could go on with details from numerous articles and news reports I read today, but I just can’t right now. I say that because I’m emotionally spent, not with any rudeness towards you.

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u/Remanded-MS2of2 May 27 '22

I hadn’t caught that part of the headline… makes this asshole an even worse human being for the way he decided to gram the “facts”

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u/Jumpy_Print_8925 May 27 '22

Fucking punks.

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u/DontLookAtMe89 May 28 '22

*Pigs.

Don't associate us punks with these fascist cowards.

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u/Sea_Violinist2938 May 28 '22

Im sure pigs wouldn't want to be associated them either

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u/PraderaNoire May 28 '22

Cowards and liars. Fuck this department and all others like it.

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u/Even_Negotiation_770 May 28 '22

America has some serious fucking issues man.

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u/AKtuallyRetarded May 27 '22

Tell me you're a thin dick fucking coward with out telling me you're a thin dick fucking coward.

Disgraceful cops.

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u/Fun-Safe-8926 May 28 '22

Hey Mr. McCraw eat a whole bag of dicks. You’re representing a bunch of cowards.

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u/moxeto May 28 '22

So they assume if the doors were locked the gunman would just pack up and go home? He would have shot the locks up. Stupid blame game

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u/schizeckinosy May 28 '22

That’s exactly what happened in Newtown. Shot through a locked door until he could fit through.

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u/Jeff1737 May 28 '22

He had a gun. Theres no way there aren't any windows on the first floor. A door wouldve slowed him down like 5 seconds

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u/antifashkenazi May 28 '22

Yup. According to the what I've read, the kids said he was shooting at the windows to get inside

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u/zeca1486 May 27 '22

I think it was around 2008 during the last big crash that was the first time I saw Republicans start to blame teachers for society’s problems alongside illegal immigrants. It ramped up since Trump big time and now they’re doing it when there’s plenty of evidence all around showing that these cops were sitting with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing

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u/goingwithno May 28 '22

WHO POLICES THE POLICE NOW?

WHO?

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u/klinge1337 29d ago

So its NOT the gun law its the door......okay

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u/Rude_Commercial_7470 May 28 '22

Sounds about right.. Professional finger pointer it is an issue all over from the bottom to the top.

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u/Natural-Pineapple886 May 27 '22

Please don't scapegoat the mentally ill. Less that 1 percent of the mental health community are dangerous and violent. I've worked in mental health for 14 years and can honestly state that in my experience of treating thousands of people only two cases resulting in murder occurred. Neither of which employed the use of fire arms.

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

As someone who is mentally ill and scapegoated a lot for my diagnosis (I have bpd) trust me, I'm wouldn't. We definitely need better mental healthcare in this country, but to put the onus on the mentally ill and not the shooter himself isn't right

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u/act95 May 28 '22

There are so many other countries with higher numbers of those mentally ill, and yet they don’t have these violent mass murders. I’m a true believer that the world needs to do better at treating mental illness, but that should be done along with restricting gun laws.

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u/snugglestomp May 27 '22

Fuck the police.

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I am an elementary School Counselor in Florida. Teachers are REQUIRED to have their doors closed and locked at all times. I don’t know if this is state or county mandate, but it’s been in place for a few years. It is part of our required active shooting training. The entrances to the school building itself have auto-locking doors that can only be opened via employee badge (only myself, the principal, and the head of maintenance have a key in addition to our badge).

I am absolutely not blaming the teacher, my heart breaks for the students, staff, and families that are going through this.

I don’t understand why my post is being downvoted. I highlighted the procedures that are in place at the elementary where I work, and made clear that I, no way, blame the teacher. Are people offended by the procedures at my elementary?

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u/Lolidan May 28 '22

How on earth is it so normalised with school shootings that you have rutines to prepare for them every day. At this point the country HAS to acknowledge thay they are a symptom of a serious fucking illness, and do ANYTHING to cure the illness and not the symptoms. Its distopian. Its insane!

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats 29d ago

You are absolutely correct

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

I mean, we don't even know that what he's saying is true. They've changed the narrative several times already, and according to the children, he was already shooting through the windows, so a propped door doesn't really make much of a difference atp

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22

They are looking to blame anyone and everyone, except themselves

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u/senseven May 27 '22

The lawyers from all over the country will have their field day. They are already propped, trained what to say. They know which tune will be played. They know they will be used by both sides politically. Half of the old school conservatives want to bury them to protect their back side. There will be no help.

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22

I totally agree

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u/bored-inthehouse May 28 '22 Helpful

So scary that a gunman getting in to the school is at higher odds than a fire breaking out and students not being able to escape. Here in Australia while we do have a lockdown drill, fire drills are done more often. No buildings at schools are locked here because of the needs of children getting out instead of stopping someone getting in. It’s like we are living in 2 different worlds.

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u/kchristiane May 28 '22

The doors open from the inside normally but are locked from the outside.

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u/bored-inthehouse May 28 '22

That makes more sense. Still not something I’ve heard of in Aus but good to know they can get out if they need to.

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u/pnwinec May 27 '22

I’m an educator too. We have to constantly tell teachers to leave the doors closed and to bring their swipe cards every where so the doors can’t be propped open. Doors should always be closed at all times for this exact reason.

People are downvoting you and will downvote me because this fact doesn’t fit their narrative and it looks like you are blaming the teacher for the shooting. Unfortunately good people make mistakes and bad things happen, and that doesn’t mean whoever propped open the door is responsible for the shooting.

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 28 '22

Thank you for injecting sanity into this conversation.

I absolutely agree, everyone makes mistakes, I cannot imagine there was any malice on the teachers part.

I was trying to point out that there are multiple failures that culminated into a tragedy. From the school’s prospective, the discussion should be about how this error came to be.

Is there a school-wide/district-wide protocol for this situation? If there is, did the teacher break protocol? If yes, why? Is the protocol unreasonable? Was she not trained enough? Etc

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u/UnionBigirondude May 27 '22

What’s obvious is all cops are liars. This guy is blatantly lying. I didn’t trust the police before, and now I really don’t trust them. Prove me wrong!

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u/FrequencyExplorer May 28 '22

What is the budget for rn in big hats standing around in the background?

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u/sundayflow May 28 '22

We should remove their title as: man.

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u/Liftingdathings May 28 '22

Guess it was the door’s fault all along….

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u/danegermaine99 29d ago

It’s not his force. He’s basically the head of the state police, not in charge of the local cops.

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u/Anomoly22 29d ago

What do you expect from spineless Republicans? They will tell you the “good guy with a gun theory” all day long while your children are being murdered and they stand outside with fucking donuts in their hands. This is why I do not fear a war with conservatives they’re all fat pigs with 20 iq and small penis issues that like to threaten people with guns and force like they did JAN 6 but when it comes down to it they couldn’t get out of the way of thier own wheezy fat useless self.

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u/ConProofInc 29d ago

Well you blame guns for it. So why not blame an open door as well. Much better then blaming the lunatic.

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u/antifashkenazi 29d ago

I blame guns, the shooter, and the cops, actually

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u/jbonosconi 19d ago

Ohhh no she propped open a door!!! That’s a good way to tell a persons character. Blame the dead for their mistakes.

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u/eddiemercurykelley May 27 '22

what about the shooter? lets blame him.

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

I'm blaming both the shooter and the police

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u/Several-Clock May 28 '22

This is so disgusting

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u/Thesujman May 28 '22

Disgusting sack of shit!

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u/UmbreonTrainer27 May 28 '22

This is why I’m ashamed to be an American

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u/Silver_Commando May 28 '22

Thats gotta be the worst excuse for not actually doing your job

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u/Pissedliberalgranny May 27 '22

Fuck the cops. Seriously. Fuck them all. 1312

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u/Redditartedededed May 28 '22

Ok boomer

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u/Pissedliberalgranny May 28 '22

No problem, bootlicker.

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u/Redditartedededed May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

Seems like it's time for you to take a break from reddit, take your arthritis medication and have a nice nap

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u/antifashkenazi 29d ago

On what planet is acab a boomer ideology lmao aside from maybe the counterculture

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u/Pissedliberalgranny 29d ago

Could be, could be. In the meantime, perhaps you should attempt to give up salad tossing for fascist storm troopers.

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u/Impressive-Hold8249 May 28 '22

19 cops outside one locked door for an hour, afraid to go in because an 18 yr old kid had a machine gun AR-15 tells you everything you need to know why these weapons of war should be banned.

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u/xycor May 28 '22

For a lot of people government officials being afraid of their guns is a feature not a bug. I'd agree with the sentiment if all gun owners were mentally stable. Too many citizens and police both have shown they can't handle firearms.

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u/Sakred May 28 '22

AR-15s are not machine guns. The version you can get as a civilian is only semi-automatic, and is not something a soldier is going to take into battle. Soldiers typically use M4s as their rifle, which have select fire. They can go single/burst/full auto, but these also aren't machine guns, fyi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun

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u/xycor May 28 '22

That is arguing semantics and missing the intent.

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u/Strange-Effort1305 May 27 '22

Texans want public school teachers dead as much as they want public school students dead. This a major victory for them. They are literally having a Fucking party for it in Houston right now.

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u/Fnipernackle2021 May 27 '22

That's a disgusting accusation.

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u/Strange-Effort1305 May 27 '22

It’s a disgusting reality down there

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u/Fnipernackle2021 May 27 '22

Believing the delusions in your head are reality is a sign of psychosis. Seek help.

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u/Strange-Effort1305 May 27 '22

Actions speak louder than words. This is the only country where this happens because we have made a choice to allow it to happen.

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u/Fnipernackle2021 May 27 '22

Indeed, we have. We've allowed our mental health care to fall into poor shape, glorify mass murderers, and are failing to properly utilize the failsafes we have in place to identify and stop people like this before they act.

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u/wot-daphuque1966 May 28 '22

Hi, the rest of the human race here.

Look we get it. You are all pissed off with what's going on in America. Children being murdered at their desks in schools. Women being treated so dismally the Afghan Taliban nod in approval. Working men and women being treated like dogshit.

And you all vent your frustration by tapping away on your phones on Internet forums.

Trump, NRA, fascist Republicans, all of them the target of your righteous frustration.

But all these despicables are voted into power by millions of ordinary Americans, a majority of Americans going into polling stations and making their mark against the worst of your society.

When Trump spent four years shocking the world to its core with his daily imbicilty, 74 million ordinary Americans thought " brilliant, let's give him 4 more ".

School massacre after school massacre...and the lunatics that shrug their shoulders at it all are voted by majority into the halls of power again and again.

So please spare us your high horse indignation and look at yourselves as a society. Ask yourselves why, as a democratic free society, these scumbags are elevated to the top as your preferred majorative choice.

The accountability for all these atrocities doesn't lie with the fox if you keep voting for the fox to run the chicken coup. It lies with a population that makes the mark in majority numbers against their names.

So how's about you all stop jabbing at your phones to relieve your supposed impotence against those freely voted into power.

If the majority exists in a Democratic society that is as disgusted as the rest of humanity at Americas never ending horror show, then ORGANISE.

Mass demonstrations, mass strikes, something, anything other than just howling at the usual suspect shitbag baddies on platforms like this.

You are either a majority as a people done with this shit or you are a majority as a people giving those responsible for your problems your voted approval.

Don't wake up to them, we get it, theyre scumbags. Wake up to yourselves as a nation that allows the worst of you front and centre stage. In the name of God PLEASE.

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u/antifashkenazi May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

"High horse indignation" lmao, it's really easy to tell people to push the boot of fascism off their necks when you're not the one under the boot

And by the way: we're not a democratic free society. That's the whole reason we're stuck in this fucking mess.

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u/Dreadful_Crows May 28 '22

Guy talks about high horse indignation, opens rant by saying they speak for the human race, brilliant.

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u/GruntledEx May 28 '22

Keep in mind that the electoral system in this country is specifically designed to disenfranchise the majority. The Electoral College and Congressional districting, not to mention additional districting tricks at the state and local level, make immediate, radical change via the ballot box a statistical impossibility, no matter how motivated or large the majority on a particular issue might be.

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u/antifashkenazi May 28 '22

Always love when people who don't live in this country tell us how black and white this issue is and how we must just be deciding to go along with it instead of questioning why and looking into the reasons like the ones you've stated. Like yeah, I'll get right on it lol, sorry for slacking!

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u/Bud60_in_ID May 28 '22

Could we rename the place "TexASSES", for the way the RepubliCAN'Ts are choosing denial and "Alternate Facts"?

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

Except there's a huge possibility that they're lying. Again. For like the 10th time already

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u/bradlees May 27 '22

I love how we are all hyper focused on fucking doors….. like love the deflection. It’s awesome to say “fuck life, fuck reason” “fuck freedoms of students and teachers” to not feel like they live in a criminal jail, locked in rooms because that’s better than dealing with the real issue.

Ohhhhh mask mandates, critical race theory and thought provoking books are atrocities to kids. Not locking them up at school like it is a prison. Not putting more guns in those schools to escalate fear within them. Not escalating situations in the national conciseness to make this a monthly occurrence.

But yeah, let these people lie to you because it makes you feel good. Let them tell you it’s not their fault. Let Tucker/Alex Jones go on and ramp up more blame for the victims instead of law enforcement and also intensify blame on the sexual orientation of anyone that can be used to deflect from the real issues here.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Secure building? It’s a fucking school! Why would you need to lock up a school??

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22

Schools are absolutely considered secure buildings. We have multiple means of enhancing security. Our campus is completely fenced in with a single entrance and exit, and this guarded by a former Marine (he is armed). Once you approach the building, you will find that ALL doors are locked.

The main office (the only entrance that public can access) has a video doorbell system, you must buzzed in. Once inside the office, you will be met with an additional set of doors (the only entrance to the part of the building that contains classrooms) that must also be opened electronically, the main office also has a school police officer inside at all times. If you would like to pick up your child from school, your identification will be scanned through our system. The system will flag you if you have ever been convicted of a sexual crime, violent offense on a child, outstanding warrant, etc, and you will not be able to leave the campus with your child. We do not allow parents or the public to enter the portion of the building that contains classrooms.

The building has doors that lock behind you, you must use your employee badge to gain access. Teacher are required to keep their doors closed and locked at all times, no exceptions.

All employees have to pass and thorough background check, and renew this background check periodically.

We have an additional school police officer stationed within the classroom portion of the building as well.

All this, and I work at an elementary.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

This sounds insane!

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22

It’s ridiculous that we have to go to these lengths. We also have active shooter drills at least once per month. Students are taught to turn the lights off, hide (out of the line of fire), remain completely still and quiet. One of the worst parts of my job is explaining to a room of 5 year olds why they have to do this and what can happens if you don’t.

At the middle school and high school level, they are taught to do the same, with 2 additional items:

  1. Barricade the door with as much furniture as they can.

  2. Take down strategies, everyone jumps on the shooter. I guess the logic is- losing a couple students is better than losing all of them.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

I have no words. Im so sorry it has come to this. One would think all those resources could be used to prevent the causes of this instead

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

Yeah, it was even already like this at my high school, and I graduated in 2015. And yet, my mom who teaches there has told me of an occasion where someone just... came on in with a gun. Didn't have any bullets, he just wanted to show it off. But still. All that "security" for nothing.

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u/DieAloneWith72Cats May 27 '22

Did you have metal detectors that students have to walk through to enter the building every day at your high school? We don’t have those, yet

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

I don't think we do yet. Our district is below the poverty line, so I would be surprised if we did

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u/Toes14 May 27 '22

To prevent shootings just like this, duh!

Where I live, basically all schools are secure buildings. Visitors must be buzzed in through the main entrance only, and they have a school "resource" officer (cop) present during the school hours.

I'm not sure when those measures were put in place, but I find stats showing that in my state since 1970, there have only been 14 school shooting deaths.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Only?! 14! That’s insane! In my country we have had 1 in the last 500 years

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u/bradlees May 27 '22

Weird. I have first hand knowledge that my elementary, junior high, high school, college were not “secure buildings”

This was from the inception of the school into the early 2000’s.

Visitors signed in but pretty much most people were not mainlining as much hateful misinformation as they are today.

So, your definition of the makeup of the ocean by your single drop isn’t really a very good example. Same can be said for mine as it’s only from my first hand knowledge of my interaction of my area. Other areas throughout the country might have had different methods.

I do know that the rash of mass shootings has increased in cadence over the last 25 years. I think we can agree to this. We can also agree that the uptick is alarming at best.

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u/Toes14 May 27 '22

Not sure why you're trying to be insulting. All I'm doing is saying what the situation is in my area, and has been for the last 15 years or so I guess. I'm older, so when I grew up we didn't have that either.

I never said all schools were like this. I'm just commenting on what the situation is in my area, and I've heard other places do this too.

I do agree that the trend is very troubling, and think that we need enhanced mental health answer mental health checkups in order to help deal with it. Seems to me like most of these shooters are guys between 15 and 25, Loners, possibly having been bullied previously, possibly with a history of mental health issues. Maybe if we start targeting that demographic we'll see some results.

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u/thisgameissoreal May 27 '22

uh, do you not see what this thread is about

even outside the realm of shooters, pedos, anybody can't just walk into a school these days.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

It’s only in YOUR country this happens. It’s only in YOUR country you have these issues. We don’t have to lock the doors to our schools. I lived in several countries, it has NEVER been an issue to have unlocked doors in schools or anything like that. Get your shit together! The issue is not doors not being locked! Ffs it’s fucking sickening you could even think this is the main issue

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u/thisgameissoreal May 27 '22

lol, I don't see it as "the main issue"

You asked why it's secure and I told you. The USA is enormous, lots of people. Lots of weirdos. They're also extra sensitive about their kids. This is why schools are locked. I don't give a shit if this one was or was not locked, that's obviously not the "main issue."

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Sorry if I’m putting words in your mouth. I’m just so sick and tired watching these “unpreventable” issues which ONLY happen in the US. Over half of your population are completely brainwashed. Listening to your media and politicians is like seeing Russian media at this point

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u/thisgameissoreal May 27 '22

yeah, and half of us are aware. Not a whole lot we can do about it though. Russian media overlap is an astute insight. There's definitely overlap in both message and party members.

The GOP now has control of the highest court, and the senate, which basically means we can't pass any legislation. They can also legally draw their own gerrymandered districts to win elections, so they're pretty hard to get rid of.

If there was any answer to the problems I think many people would be on board but we're honestly circling the drain over here. My outlook is not optimistic. I guarantee absolutely nothing legislative comes out of this shooting either.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

I’m so sorry. My heart is with you, your people and your country. I’m literally crying from across the globe. It’s so tragic

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u/Necessary_Priority88 May 28 '22

SO America goes to war in other countries, kills civilians and children.... People don't bat an eye, but it happens in America and it's TAKE THE GUNS!

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u/antifashkenazi 29d ago

Idk why you're getting downvoted, you're right. Maybe they're taking it as downplaying school shootings, but I assume it's instead a "both issues are a big problem" kind of thing

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u/LoveShineLuna 29d ago

Failures all around. The Parents, The Grandparents, The Cops, the School, The System. My kids school and other schools all the doors are locked and you have to be buzzed in after being viewed on camera. Then you encounter another set of locked doors with a school employee behind them at a desk deciding if you enter or not. A school employee F’ed up leaving the door open

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u/A1850 29d ago

People want a time line and want to know what happened that led up to this tragedy. This is part of what happened.

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u/ihateapartments59 May 28 '22

The problem here is the door was left unlocked unacceptable

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u/JerrySeinfred May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

According to.... the police? The same police who are clearly lying about everything and have contradicted themselves... how many times now, trying to get their story straight?And even then... one unlocked door is the problem? Oh If only it wasn't for that pesky door! No, no systemic problems at the core of america here, it was just an unlocked door!

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u/ihateapartments59 May 28 '22

Well it just makes sense if the door walked and nobody can get in and there’s no shootings duh

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u/xycor May 28 '22

The problem here is that elementary schools have to lock their doors and run active shooter drills trying to protect children from mentally unstable gun owners. What's next? Mandatory bullet-proof vests and helmets as part of the school uniform?

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u/ihateapartments59 May 28 '22

No just leave the door locked

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u/Iko87iko May 28 '22

If only the teacher were around to defend herself and tell us the door was locked

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u/Freshman_Beekeeper May 27 '22

So isn't this what happens when there is a movement to defund the police?

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

Were the police defunded? So no. Or are you implying they let children die because they were being petty?

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u/Freshman_Beekeeper May 28 '22

It's an indictment on the idiots plaguing this country who wish to minimize law enforcement. It's also an indictment of the gun-hugging idiots that think citizens need access to military weapons.

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u/antifashkenazi May 28 '22

Clearly you don't know what "defund the police" is actually about. It certainly isn't about minimizing law enforcement. In fact, it would make their jobs much easier

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u/Worldly-Bookkeeper94 May 27 '22

You're tripping if you think some random ass small town cop is going to charge into an active shooter situation without any shield. Get a grip

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u/Technical-Hedgehog18 May 27 '22

.... than why do they get paid and have all that equipment purchased with my tax dollars? So they can set on their thumbs while they restrain me for trying to save my kid from an active shooter?

Abolish the police

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

That's their job, so yes, I do think that. Besides, it wasn't one cop, it was like 20

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u/Worldly-Bookkeeper94 May 27 '22

It most definitely isnt their "job" to charge into a situation like that, that's what swats for, not some patrol cop. And how many cops present changes nothing. It isn't the fucking movies, 99% of people wouldn't have charged into that room despite the ego boosting bs that being spread in the comments

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

99% of people didn't sign up to be cops. The parents sure tried, and would have, if the police had not handcuffed and pepper sprayed them. In fact, some of those cops ran in for their own children, then came back out to assist with doing nothing

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u/Worldly-Bookkeeper94 May 27 '22

Oh yeah, unarmed adults would've definitely changed the outcome and not added to the total number of casualties or the confusion, you're ridiculous. And no shit they'd do that for their own kids.

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u/antifashkenazi May 27 '22

And the cops should do it for the kids they signed up to protect. Sorry, but I'm not gonna agree with you, nor will most people here

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